Firearms Section

[jpizzle007]

New ACOG and grip pod.

[Scrappy Doo]

Originally Posted by Skillz512

A few of my toys. What do you guys recommend as far as EOtech Red Dot's go? I have the Vortex Crossfire, but I'm think about upgrading to an EOtech. I am not a heavy shooter just weekend fun, so I don't want to spend $1,000 on one.

I absolutely beat the crap out of my eotech and it works great. Can't go wrong with one. I would get a AA battery model, just for ease of changing them out etc. (Mine uses those small camera/medical batteries)

[OHIO SPEED]

My C&C, Hammerless .38 special. small but effective.

[blake-b]

Helped out a friend at a gun show over the weekend... My payment:
about 20# of powder for 223/556
about 4000 SS109 62gr bullets
about 1# of IMR4895 (some jackoff at the show took the lid off and spilled it)
2000 small pistol primers
about 1800 once fired 223 brass
40 rounds of .40 Hornady Zmax ammo
7 empty ammo cans
gunsmith screwdriver set
empty powder kegs that I will use for trashcans
some once fired .45acp brass
and I bought 5000 small rifle primers from him at his cost - $115

[blake-b]

Originally Posted by Scrappy Doo

I absolutely beat the crap out of my eotech and it works great. Can't go wrong with one. I would get a AA battery model, just for ease of changing them out etc. (Mine uses those small camera/medical batteries)

Get one of the new XPS/EXPS models. They use a commonly found CR123 battery mounted transversely which cures the battery issues earlier models had. They are also much shorter and you get a choice of reticles too.

[thespymaster]

Originally Posted by Blown 386

anyone into the long range shooting for distance stuff. iv seen several combat oriented and pistol stuff, but hardly any of the long range target rifles. im considering building one on a Remington 700 action in either a .223 or a .308. im considering the .308 more then anything since its got a good selection of varying rounds to pick from as the good performance it has at the 600+ distances.

Shooting the M107 and BA-50 at 600 yard range.

The mannequins were hollow, so it appears missing the targets, but watch the video completely

[Kyle2k]

Just a little personal opinions and anecdotes would be appreciated. I currently have a Sig sp2022 in .40. But I am thinking about switching to a sig 229 in 9mm and eventually getting a usp in .45.

From what I gather 9mm is going to pop. 40 snaps and 45 pushes. What do people think about that statement?

[Apex Chase]

Originally Posted by Skillz512

A few of my toys. What do you guys recommend as far as EOtech Red Dot's go? I have the Vortex Crossfire, but I'm think about upgrading to an EOtech. I am not a heavy shooter just weekend fun, so I don't want to spend $1,000 on one.

The EOtechs are solid but I find them a little bulky. They throw the balance off. I recently started running an Aimpoint Micro and couldn't be happier. Much smaller and weighs almost nothing.

Originally Posted by Kyle2k

From what I gather 9mm is going to pop. 40 snaps and 45 pushes. What do people think about that statement?

That is a fair description. I prefer 9mm because the low recoil allows for quicker reengagment (follow up shots) as well as high capacity at a lower weight.

[Kyle2k]

So do you think if you have the means, go for each separately (9mm and 45)? Is the. 40 inherently good at anything besides being a compromise round?

[Dangeruss]

Originally Posted by Kyle2k

So do you think if you have the means, go for each separately (9mm and 45)? Is the. 40 inherently good at anything besides being a compromise round?

All three have their strengths, but I don't see the .40 as a compromise at all. I think of it more as the best of both worlds.

You're going to get a lot of different opinions on which round you should use, but it really depends on what they're for. I have a .40 H&K that I keep in my vehicle. Our summers are really hot down here, so I carry my Ruger LCP in my pocket then.

I'm looking at an FN FNX-45 (.45 cal) tactical for home defense and the range. I'm also checking out the Kahr PM9 (9mm) to have something a little smaller to carry than the H&K.

What will the weapon be used for?

[Apex Chase]

Originally Posted by Kyle2k

So do you think if you have the means, go for each separately (9mm and 45)? Is the. 40 inherently good at anything besides being a compromise round?

Originally Posted by Dangeruss

All three have their strengths, but I don't see the .40 as a compromise at all.

Not a compromise, just another flavor. The .40 actually is a hotter round (more "knock down power) than a 45. Like Dangeruss said, it all depends on your use and your preferences.

[Dangeruss]

Originally Posted by Apex Chase

Not a compromise, just another flavor. The .40 actually is a hotter round (more "knock down power) than a 45. Like Dangeruss said, it all depends on your use and your preferences.

And just to confuse the situation even more...don't forget about .357 SIG. That's a nice round as well.

[Kyle2k]

Originally Posted by Apex Chase

Not a compromise, just another flavor. The .40 actually is a hotter round (more "knock down power) than a 45. Like Dangeruss said, it all depends on your use and your preferences.

I guess I've never heard that- but with self defense loads it seems you are right.

[blake-b]

9mm is cheapest to shoot. .357 sig is the most expensive of the 4 mentioned. There is no one best caliber or every police department in the world would be using it.

Also, a Sig 229 is a heavy gun. I own one in .40. Shoots great but it certainly feels different than my glock 22 in .40. Compare rounds in the same platform if you can. My wife has an S&W SD (full size) in .40. It kicks much more than either the glock 22 or Sig 229 because it is so light weight. It is kinda like taking one engine (the .40 shell) and putting it in different chassis. An LS3 in a pickup will feel different than one in a Camaro which will feel different than one in a Corvette with all else being pretty much the same.

Shoot anything you are interested in and make the choice. Not many people will buy a car without test driving it. Same with guns.

The force you will when you shoot the gun is the same amount of force a person would feel being hit by the round comparatively. People don't go flying when hit by bullets like they do on TV. Other than seeing clothing move, you may not know you even hit them unless they go down. Mental state (drug influence or willpower are big factors) plays a HUGE roll in that too. There are only 3 guaranteed spots that will generate a 1 shot stoppage of a person - brain, spinal cord, or pelvis (if there is enough energy behind the round to break/shatter it). Even then, a shattered pelvis may not stop someone on PCP. It will just impair their mobility. A hit from a 9/357/40/45 will feel like a push to the person. A hit from a .50BMG has so much power it literally blows them apart. How many people have shot deer through the chest cavity and it ran 100s of yards? There is enough oxygen in the blood to keep the brain going for several seconds even if the heart is destroyed. A brain hit is like pulling the power cord of a computer (death). A spinal hit is like taking the keyboard and mouse away (paralyzation) and a pelvis hit is like taking the mouse away (severely impairs mobility but could still get around given the time.)

You should just go 10mm if you want a semi auto pistol. It is rated for hunting black bear and deer. None of the other pistol calibers are although I am sure they could kill either if necessary. It would be my choice of duty gun if I were allowed to carry anything I wanted.

[Kyle2k]

I suppose to be honest, my current intended purpose for the gun is - practice. I also have a .22 pistol but I am trying to get used to good pistol technique etc (especially recovering from recoil). Even though I'd prefer 9mm cost wise, I feel like .40 is a good round for familiarizing myself with recoil (SS sp2022). So maybe, I should just keep what I have currently and get good with it, because the recoil of a .45 and 9mm are probably not as drastic (just different). I feel if I practiced too much with 9mm I'd be...."shocked" by the more substantial rounds.

[jpizzle007]

[QUOTE=thespymaster;4512060]Shooting the M107 and BA-50 at 600 yard range.

The mannequins were hollow, so it appears missing the targets, but watch the video completely

Outstanding gun porn sir. Thank you for sharing.

[jpizzle007]

Originally Posted by Kyle2k

So do you think if you have the means, go for each separately (9mm and 45)? Is the. 40 inherently good at anything besides being a compromise round?

Just buy one of each! Get one now, and then save and get the others. It's addictive like modding on our camaros.

If it's for practice, get the 9mm. Its cheap to shoot.

[Scrappy Doo]

Originally Posted by blake-b

9mm is cheapest to shoot. .357 sig is the most expensive of the 4 mentioned. There is no one best caliber or every police department in the world would be using it.

Also, a Sig 229 is a heavy gun. I own one in .40. Shoots great but it certainly feels different than my glock 22 in .40. Compare rounds in the same platform if you can. My wife has an S&W SD (full size) in .40. It kicks much more than either the glock 22 or Sig 229 because it is so light weight. It is kinda like taking one engine (the .40 shell) and putting it in different chassis. An LS3 in a pickup will feel different than one in a Camaro which will feel different than one in a Corvette with all else being pretty much the same.

Shoot anything you are interested in and make the choice. Not many people will buy a car without test driving it. Same with guns.

The force you will when you shoot the gun is the same amount of force a person would feel being hit by the round comparatively. People don't go flying when hit by bullets like they do on TV. Other than seeing clothing move, you may not know you even hit them unless they go down. Mental state (drug influence or willpower are big factors) plays a HUGE roll in that too. There are only 3 guaranteed spots that will generate a 1 shot stoppage of a person - brain, spinal cord, or pelvis (if there is enough energy behind the round to break/shatter it). Even then, a shattered pelvis may not stop someone on PCP. It will just impair their mobility. A hit from a 9/357/40/45 will feel like a push to the person. A hit from a .50BMG has so much power it literally blows them apart. How many people have shot deer through the chest cavity and it ran 100s of yards? There is enough oxygen in the blood to keep the brain going for several seconds even if the heart is destroyed. A brain hit is like pulling the power cord of a computer (death). A spinal hit is like taking the keyboard and mouse away (paralyzation) and a pelvis hit is like taking the mouse away (severely impairs mobility but could still get around given the time.)

You should just go 10mm if you want a semi auto pistol. It is rated for hunting black bear and deer. None of the other pistol calibers are although I am sure they could kill either if necessary. It would be my choice of duty gun if I were allowed to carry anything I wanted.

Once again Blake is spot on.

I also owned a 229 in .40. it was a great gun, but I prefer my glock 22c. Same round, but they shoot so much different. (The sig is not bad mind you, just different.) Heck I prefer my 22c over the new gen 4 glocks also.

Just try out each caliber/gun and decide. Just take the one that YOU prefer/shoot better with, not what someone tells YOU to buy. I'll take a hit with a .22 over a miss with a .44 magnum anyday of the week.

[Dangeruss]

Picked this up from 2010SS2SS last night.

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by jpizzle007

Just buy one of each! Get one now, and then save and get the others. It's addictive like modding on our camaros.

If it's for practice, get the 9mm. Its cheap to shoot.

I agree they're all different, and even firing same round in different guns fire in a different way. I've fired Glock, Ruger, Para, in different rounds and liked them all but recoil recovery is different on each, next will trying HK and Sig. I'm sure I'll like those too, but different. I think it's all about experience with different firearms, and depending on use target practice or competition shooting you may like one or the other, and just for kicks you may favour a totally different gun and round. For example I like .45 just because it feels so powerfull when it pops off a cap, but for ultimate accuracy and recovery probably not the best for service weapon or competition shooting.

I'd like to own at least 3-4+ different hand guns in all rounds listed. I've never fired a .10 but I like to see what that's like as well.

[2010SS2SS]

1911 .45's have been used in competitions for years and is probably one of if not the most modified and converted handguns in the world.
When it comes to carry weapons, caliber isn't as important as shot placement under stress and being comfortable with you weapon of choice. A bad guy with a .22 can kill you just as fast as a .45 or 10m.m. is he gets rounds off first and is more accurate.
I carry .45 only and have slimmed down my collection to .45/5.56/.308, just a personal choice on my part back when ammo went crazy.
.357 Sig has impressive ballistics and shoots like a 9 m.m. and will probably be one on my next personal purchases

[jpizzle007]

Originally Posted by Dangeruss

Picked this up from 2010SS2SS last night.

nice one.

[skipinminn]

UUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMM I wonder if MY Minn. Permit to carry will be good In Indy? I'll have to check

[Dangeruss]

Originally Posted by skipinminn

UUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMM I wonder if MY Minn. Permit to carry will be good In Indy? I'll have to check

Yea...I gotta figure this out. We have to drive through Illinois...the most anti-gun state in the country.

[Dangeruss]

OK...got some more info for traveling through the Peoples Republic of Illinois.

Found this on their website.

Q. If a non-resident is coming to Illinois to hunt and would like to bring their firearm, how do they legally transport it?

A. Non- residents must be legally eligible to possess or acquire firearms and ammunition in their state of residence. It is recommended that, in order to be in compliance with all statutes, non-residents transport all firearms:

Unloaded, and
Enclosed in a case, and
Not immediately accessible or broken down in a nonfunctioning state.


Q. Is it legal to have ammunition in the case with the firearm?

A. Yes, so long as the firearm is unloaded and properly enclosed in a case.