Firearms Section

[Gordo]

Here is something for you stoner guys if you havn't bought a grip and light for it. http://kellanusa.com/store.html .Now if they would get off their asses and make a kit for the MP5.

[Gordo]

CamaroSkooter nice 556 SWAT,Ive had the pleasure of shooting a 10" select fire one,my only complaints were I didnt really care for the trigger and after 600 rounds +/- 100 it would hang up from time to time in burst and FA.Cleaned the trigger group out and it was back in the game.

[SWAT]

Originally Posted by iHasCamaro

http://www.hk22rimfire.com/

Originally Posted by Dangeruss

I've owned a Ruger 1022 as well, and liked it. Solid gun, and you can find all kinds of aftermarket product for it.

I have one based on the HK416, and it's really cool. It is authorized by H&K, built by Walther and imported by Umarex. It looks great, and is very well built. It'll cost you more than the 1022 though.

Originally Posted by Gramps69Z

S&W makes a good looking 22.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...4_757784_image

Originally Posted by DOOK

That S&W is plastic crap. Buy a Ruger SR-22. All metal.

Currently in Canada, you must satisfy 3 requirements to obtain a CCW permit.
1) You must document no fewer than 3 occurrences of attempts on your life, including police case #'s.
2) You must satisfy the CFO that you have taken use of force, and handgun training equivalent to what the armed guards have taken.
( good luck getting the training, as they will only register you if you have a valid job application to a security company)
3) This is the best one, you must submit an official letter from the local police/ RCMP stating that they can not provide you adequate protection of life. In other words, they can't/won't do their job.

The Supreme court has already ruled the police do not have a duty to protect life, only enforce Canada's laws. They have no liability.

Even after satisfying all three requirements, the CFO can, and will still say no, for no other reason than it is a MAY issue, not a SHALL issue permit.

This is why there are so few issued. Most of them to Judges, high ranking business men, and scumbag police informants.

Good enough for them, but not for you.

As far as NEED goes, do you want to start that discussion? Who here NEEDS a Camaro to get around? Or an SUV? Surely, you can still make it around in a small fuel efficient car, or take transit?
Who needs a big flat screen? You can still watch TV on a smaller monitor right? You don't need a lot of things in a free society.
Who gets to decide what is best for you? The government? Someone from Toronto?

If you want to really read the stats on ND's, vs. crimes prevented by CCW look no further than John Lott.
There is a reason it is working in the states that allow it. It is just common sense that punk kids won't mess with any random stranger if there is a chance, even a small chance that person is equipped to defend themselves, or others.

As far as I am concerned, in a supposedly free society, if you take the appropriate training, and have no violent criminal record, you should be able to defend yourself using what ever tool you feel comfortable possessing.
The training isn't even a requirement in some states, and yet the number of permits rescinded is statistically insignificant, as are ND injuries, or deaths.

You are free to do what you want, take what ever measures, or none in Toronto. If you feel safe, then great! It is a nice place to be in one's mind.
The truth is, wherever there are people, or some place people can get to, you are not safe. Not 100% of the time.
You certainly don't have the right to tell anyone else how they should feel, or prepare anywhere else in the world based on the transference of your own neurosis.
You trust thousands of drivers to not cross the center line, and head on your car every day. Cars are much more complex to operate than a handgun. Sure. Accidents can happen. We are only human. For some reason we just accept that with transportation. What is the difference?
People who have CCW, and gun owners in general have a much stronger moral compass than the general public. We have fewer conflicts with others because we have something more important than freedom at stake if something goes wrong.
We have a public image to uphold. We reflect good, or badly on all gun owners with our actions.

Originally Posted by Mr_Draco

How much are you looking to spend? And why type of action?

If you want a semi auto you really only have 5 options.
- 10/22 which runs between $200-$250
- S&W M&P15 22 which runs between $300-$400
- H&K look alikes that will run about $600
- SR-22 which runs about $700
- or if you already have an AR-15 that is chambered in .223 you can buy a conversion kit and use your AR and the good ones run about $200 http://www.midwayusa.com/Find?status...erSearchQuery=

If you want bolt action, sadly you really only have two companies that I would even consider, Savage and Marlin. Both companies have a dozen or more styles to choose from so you really have a lot of options. Sadly Ruger does not make a 22lr bolt rifle.

Personally if I was getting a 22lr semi auto it would be either a 10/22 or the S&W. And I was was getting a bolt action I would get a Savage and if possible I would get one that had their Accutrigger.



I have the S&W and it's a great gun to go plinking with. The SR-22 is way over priced. If I wanted to spend $700 on a gun it wouldn't be a 22.

Originally Posted by Scrappy Doo

Can never go wrong with a 10/22. Never.

Originally Posted by Mark's SS

If your looking for something less expensive than say a 1022, you might look into the Marlin 795. http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firear...oading/795.asp
I've got one with a scope that is great for plinking. Cheap fun!

Originally Posted by 11BEE

I bought my son a Cricket for his first 22. This was after I shot against a lady using one on a dueling tree, and she creamed me using my 10/22. It did not hurt that she was a world champion IDPA shooter, but still I thought she is using a single shot and I have a 30 round magazine. She still creamed me.

It is very accurate and very cheap. I highly recommend it. We take it every time we shoot and it is always the most fun to use.

http://www.crickett.com/shop_by_bran...acturers_id=27

Thanks for all of the info guys. I'm not really looking to spend too much, just to dink around with. My son wants a semi auto, so he'll brobably end up with the 795. I'm still undecided...I wouldn't mind a bolt action, even possibly in a 17 or 22 mag, but it would be more expensive for ammo so I'm still thinking. The 10-22s are a little more now than I remember, but are really nice. The Cricket looks like a cool little gun, I checked them all out on their website. The only thing that I don't like, is that they are all single shot. I have a little more investigating to do, maybe we'll end up with 2 795s. Thanks again for all of the input guys.

[DOOK]

Originally Posted by calbert1999

Dude. Are you a comedian, and just joking right? Jane & Finch is like a stroll in the park feeding squirrels, I go there all the time day or night are you kidding? York University is at Jane Finch. I used to work on the opposite side called Woodbridge which is awesome. If you're scared to stroll in Regent Park I'd hate to see you in some parts of NY, NJ, Florida or Cali.

No comparison at all. Ain't no brotha's in Jane / Finch worried about robbing you for chump change.



As for Jane & Finch, Regent Park downtown was more dangerous and they just demolished that whole area to build condos so all that s**t is gone now. And, that's my point, any areas in Canada that starts to get at a certain ghetto level, ends up getting leveled and rebuilt. That's your tax dollars at work man.


As for dangerous places in Canada, Montreal is the sure fire winner Toronto dangerous, please, bunch a wanna' be's watching too much television. I've chilled in the so called dangerous areas in the T.dot plenty of times, never once and issue. I've even done the underground party scene back in the day. So, before you want to give T.dot too much street cred, get the facts. .44 mag in Toronto, what a joke, probably shoot self in foot.

Give me a break, Jane & Finch, I've got to show my friends and some locals that blurb, so we can have a good laugh over a few pops at a bar in Jane & Finch. Many very well off, extremely educated people lived, worked, and educated themselves at Jane & Finch. What do you really know about that area? Obviously, not much other than what some ignoramus told you about it.

You are right, looks like a charming place yo.

[Moriartii]

Well its nice to see ignorance isn't strictly a US issue. What a bunch of tards in that video and certainly not maintaining gun safety.

Oy Vey.
K

[Southern Comfort]

After watching the youngsters in that video with the 9s, it reminded me to ask if anyone uses a lot of PMC 9mm? I have a new SW Pro Series that tends to light strike this ammo. I am trying to decide if it's the firearm or the ammo.

[2010SS2SS]

the HOOD is the HOOD not matter what country your in!

[Darkstar November]

my little brother gave me an old 22 rifle he didnt like and didnt shoot, he wasnt even sure what it was. turns out its a mossberg 152, they made them back in the early 50's for small game. 7rd magazine semi auto. nifty little thing. im still buying a 10/22 soon though





funny, its mildly hilarious next to my mosin nagant

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by DOOK

You are right, looks like a charming place yo.

Actually, it does; freshly cut & watered grass, clean streets, nice condos, some of the most beautiful homes, YorkU, 3-4 golf courses, top notch high tech hospital and one little apartment complex housing a few unfortunate families. So, what.

Google Maps Jane & Finch what you'll see are people of all nationalities walking around in peace going about their business. Even people like you.

"Jane St & Finch Ave W, Toronto, Toronto Division, Ontario M3N, Canada"

I guess they should be scared because some Vancouverite says they should, because someone who buys their dime-bags there showed you a video from Youtube of a place where hundreds of thousands of people live in peace, go to work or school daily or perhaps you heard some bad things and saw a Youtube video about some rapper dude? Give me a break.

Like I said I know many very respectable people of all nationalities (even Caucasian believe it or not) that live, work and attend one of the most notorious educational institutions in the World (one being my very own daughter who just finished her first degree), in that part of town called North York. Based on your quick synopsis of the place I guess they should all carry guns now because there is a video of a few misguided youths. Whether you like it or not ayyy, the crime numbers do not support your position. So, if you want go get your carry license so you can go hang out at Jane & Finch and feel safe (just as mis-guided as they are) and while you walk around with your .44 thinking that will save you if you get in someones face (or someone smell a few extra $20 bills in your wallet), at the Beer Store, while I walk through there without a care in the World because I mind my business and have no dealings with those boys. Ayyy!!!

Always, a clown or two on these boards.

Originally Posted by Moriartii

Well its nice to see ignorance isn't strictly a US issue. What a bunch of tards in that video and certainly not maintaining gun safety.

Oy Vey.
K

Agree (on gun safety and ignorance). Thing is don't believe the hype, chances are they are good fakes. Just like everything else in Toronto, the price of firearms is very expensive, and probably double or triple on the streets.

[DOOK]

Well, I must conceed I have never been to Torana. You obviously have, and live there, so you must know better than someone from the other side of Canada.
My opinion of that area was formed by what I have seen, and heard in the media, and from people who live there on canadiangunnutz.com.

They all portray it as being pretty much a nasty place to be.
My apologies.
It doesn't feel good does it? Someone on the other side of Canada telling you how you should feel about something you feel you have greater knowlege of.
Your own safety should be decided by no one but yourself.
How you prepare for your own self defence should be up to the individual, not the state. Certainly not by others who don't see any 'need' for being prepared.
As long as you are a responsable adult with no history of violence, and your intent is defence, not offence, you should be able to carry whatever you wish on your person. In a so called free society.
Isn't that the point?

Oh, and I am no clown. I have refrained from calling you any names, and kept my remarks respectable. Logical.
You mad bro?
Prolly a good thing for you not to carry.

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by DOOK

Well, I must conceed I have never been to Torana. You obviously have, and live there, so you must know better than someone from the other side of Canada.
My opinion of that area was formed by what I have seen, and heard in the media, and from people who live there on canadiangunnutz.com.

They all portray it as being pretty much a nasty place to be.
My apologies.
It doesn't feel good does it? Someone on the other side of Canada telling you how you should feel about something you feel you have greater knowlege of.
Your own safety should be decided by no one but yourself.
How you prepare for your own self defence should be up to the individual, not the state. Certainly not by others who don't see any 'need' for being prepared.
As long as you are a responsable adult with no history of violence, and your intent is defence, not offence, you should be able to carry whatever you wish on your person. In a so called free society.
Isn't that the point?

Oh, and I am no clown. I have refrained from calling you any names, and kept my remarks respectable. Logical.
You mad bro?
Prolly a good thing for you not to carry.

Mad people are usually institutionalized or on meds so no I'm not mad at all. And, when someone starts using "slang" words like yo', et al, you are in fact, making dis-respecting remarks. So, please don't try to come off as totally innocent simply because you did not spell it out.

As I've always said, if the statistical data can show a need then I'd say that people in that specific location should be given carry permits if they so wish to have them (as in many locations in the US), otherwise simply because a few guys are gang banging on each other and there are a few doctored video's on YouTube doesn't justify or support everyone carrying.

As for me; You'd be surprised, seeing you are quite versed in gang speak, perhaps it is you that shouldn't be provided with the right to carry. You'd be surprised to know I'd prolly' get one much easier than you. But, like I said no need to carry even when I to to the all dangerous Jane & Finch.

[iHasCamaro]

Can you guys take this topic up in PM? I understand the passion and i'm guilty of it myself, but it makes for dry reading. Some people put on their seatbelt where they are statistically likely to be in an accident, and the rest of who aren't related to Nostradamus like to put it on every time. We get it.

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by iHasCamaro

Can you guys take this topic up in PM? I understand the passion and i'm guilty of it myself, but it makes for dry reading. Some people put on their seatbelt where they are statistically likely to be in an accident, and the rest of who aren't related to Nostradamus like to put it on every time. We get it.

I'm not the one harping on the fact we can't carry in Canada. I really don't give a damn. Good to know someone down there know what a PM is though.

Back on topic. This is cool. Look how the rounds extract out the front and fall to the ground.

!

[iHasCamaro]

Keltec makes some great guns with great ideas. This bull-pup .308 is a great example. But there is always some detail of everything they make that puts me off. For one, their checkering they put on everything is just ugly and cheap-looking, which is the main reason I bought a Ruger LCP over the P380. Second...it would bother me to have spent casings falling out at random times, stacking up, waiting in till I pointed it down, etc. I'm weird though. For the most part that is an amazing rifle. Looks like it packs quite a kick though. I still would rather get a SCAR-H.

[jpizzle007]

when did this become a canadian opinion community thread? no one cares. more gun porn please.

[iHasCamaro]

Originally Posted by jpizzle007

SCAR 17S is great, my favorite rifle now with my TA11E-G ACOG.

**** that's badass and exactly how I want mine! FDE looks good and all, but all my guns are black except for some knockaround junkers, and I'm very fashion conscious about my guns so they must match lol.

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by jpizzle007

when did this become a canadian opinion community thread? no one cares. more gun porn please.

Canadian's like guns and porn to you know. We just don't carry them around to shoot thugs. LOL

What you think of that Kal-tec thing?

I like that mean a** rifle. Wow.

[2010SS2SS]

RFB's are badass, I've shot and sold several! SCARS are currently being used by the Military but a civilian version is on the market in the U.S.

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by jpizzle007

SCAR 17S is great, my favorite rifle now with my TA11E-G ACOG.

Do you actually own that or is it for military use?

Originally Posted by 2010SS2SS

RFB's are badass, I've shot and sold several! SCARS are currently being used by the Military but a civilian version is on the market in the U.S.

Very impressive when a company innovates something to work better. Standard bullet ejection systems are stupid.

Pieces of metal ejecting out sideways smacking people in the face.

[iHasCamaro]

Originally Posted by calbert1999

Pieces of metal ejecting out sideways smacking people in the face.

I agree, but something just bothers me that they queue up in the "ejection" port sometimes. What if you are shooting uphill? They don't really "eject" then do they?

[jpizzle007]

I own it, its the 17S which is the semi-auto version. kick ass, low recoil, light weight and dependable. .308 is a nice round in a battle rifle.

[Gordo]

Just FYI if you cut the extractor spring down a little key word "a little" on most auto loading platforms it willn't try to KO the person next to you.

[Dangeruss]

Originally Posted by jpizzle007

SCAR 17S is great, my favorite rifle now with my TA11E-G ACOG.

I really want one of these.

[Kyle2k]

Am I the only one that doesn't get that excited about the SCAR?

[Dangeruss]

Originally Posted by Kyle2k

Am I the only one that doesn't get that excited about the SCAR?

Yes...you are.