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Old 06-09-2010, 03:47 PM   #1
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z28.Muscle car or not?

Was jus' wonderin'.Will the new Z28 still fall into the common perception of a muscle car should it be a V6 .From what i am reading I understand it could well be a twin turbo V6.Being a brit and currently owning a 1ss i need to consider my next purchase well in advance and i'm not sure if i want a 'small muscle' car,as no matter how many BHP it has,if its a V6 it wont be or soundlike an '8' or a true Muscle Car.
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Old 06-09-2010, 04:02 PM   #2
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It won't be a V6
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Old 06-09-2010, 04:16 PM   #3
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I would SERIOUSLY doubt it will be a V-6.
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Old 06-09-2010, 04:20 PM   #4
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V-6 Z-28, never.
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Old 06-09-2010, 07:16 PM   #5
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I would be shocked if a new fifth gen. Z/28 came out with any configuration of a V6. While there has been no "official" word from Chevy, there have been ample hint's that the most likely engine will be a version of the 550+ HP LSA engine in the Cadillac CTS-V. My personal choice would be something other than that, but I can live with the LSA choice (I couldn't live with any V6 version at this time).
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Old 06-09-2010, 07:24 PM   #6
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The Camaro falls under the muscle car category. So I guess a 1st gen Z28 Camaro is not a muscle car? Makes no sense to me.
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Old 06-09-2010, 07:30 PM   #7
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i don't think you will see a V6 Z28.
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:11 PM   #8
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:48 PM   #9
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Old 06-09-2010, 11:24 PM   #10
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Not a chance it will be a V6. However just because a badass car has a V6 in it does not automatically kick it out of the muscle car group. Try telling the Grand National that it is not a muscle car.
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Old 06-10-2010, 12:09 AM   #11
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Is the camaro a muscle car or a pony car? there is a difference. . .and well. . .IMHO it's a pony car simple as that.
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Old 06-10-2010, 03:00 PM   #12
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Heres my .2 if the car has a v8, has that unique rumble coming from the exhaust and it has the "Z28" designation or even "SS" hell even regardless of the trim level most people or at least car enthusiasts know it as a muscle car especially the Z28 and I think that is pretty much all over the world...now if the new Z28 comes in packing a twin turbo v6, has a lighter frame and can handle curves like a king all this while maintaining more or less the same appearance then MAYBE it will start being considered a sports car, regardless if it has four seats or that it has never been looked at as a sports car..got off point here, simply if it has the HP and TQ to compete with other brutes then hell yes it's a muscle car.
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Pony car, not muscle car. Although - it's mass is getting there...
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If it becomes a V6, it will fall under the "dead-to-me" category.
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If it becomes a V6, it will fall under the "dead-to-me" category.
+1, unfortunately. I'll make the face in your avatar...
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+1, unfortunately. I'll make the face in your avatar...


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Imagine the army of grimacers that would ensue
Fricken right!
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Old 06-10-2010, 05:33 PM   #18
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Muscle car = Big Block + Midsized Coupe, that is not what the Camaro or the Z/28 in current form is. A Chevelle SS396 is a Muscle car and the Camaro SS396 are pony cars with muscle car traits.

There are plenty of fast a$$ cars that are not Muscle cars, like the Camaro and the Grand Nationals but that does not make them any less cool.
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Old 06-10-2010, 06:09 PM   #19
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Still a pony car and no V6 for this Gen Z28.
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Old 06-10-2010, 06:56 PM   #20
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Was jus' wonderin'.Will the new Z28 still fall into the common perception of a muscle car should it be a V6 .From what i am reading I understand it could well be a twin turbo V6.Being a brit and currently owning a 1ss i need to consider my next purchase well in advance and i'm not sure if i want a 'small muscle' car,as no matter how many BHP it has,if its a V6 it wont be or soundlike an '8' or a true Muscle Car.
Thoughts please.
If it's a tuned V6, with great suspension and brakes, I say no. To me, muscle car has a "straight-line performance" connotation. The LS and LT are pony cars. The SS is a pony car with muscle (I'd call it a muscle car for short). And the Z28 (if it's indeed the V6), would be a sports car. Just my... $0.02.
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Old 06-14-2010, 07:38 PM   #21
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I wouldn't consider it a muscle car, regardless of what engine it has. I consider it to be a pony/sports car.
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Old 06-17-2010, 04:50 PM   #22
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Thanks,my American friends.
When i think deeper about the sort of soundbite coming out of central government,i fear the pressure being brought to bear on the Motor industry,will result in a more conservative way forward for the engine configuration/design dept.
Dont think BP are helping my fears at all!
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Old 06-18-2010, 06:58 PM   #23
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The V8 is certainly going to be more of a premium option for future vehicles but this is a trend that has been ongoing since the 60's. GM will have a Gen V V8 out in a few years debuting in the C7 and Ford has recommitted itself to the V8 with the new 5.0. V8's as we know them will change. They will get more complex as they must adapt to a more fuel friendly automotive market and for us here in the US, CAFE. But as long as Ford builds a Mustang and GM a Camaro and a V8 is being produced both cars will have a variant with one.
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Old 06-18-2010, 08:20 PM   #24
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Well, gentlemen (ladies) I have an opinion here. Being the former owner of many V8 GM "muscle" cars including Chevelle's, Impalas and of course a V8 Second Gen Camaro, I can say that my 2LT with a 6speed manual is VERY much a muscle car! It is slower on the quarter mile by .1 second than a 69 Z28 and this is not that big a difference. (see specs of the 69 Z28 below)

I must say that this is the best handling and safest muscle car I have ever owner and I enjoy it every bit as much and probably more as I can afford to drive this car DAILY as opposed to my second gen Camaro with a 5.7 litre 350 with a 4 speed muncie. Let's remember that this IS a rear wheel drive 300+ HP car regardless of the amount of pistons going up and down every revolution. Certainly that V8 sound is special, but we gotta "get over it" as the future of petrol is certainly a more expensive commodity.

I would LOVE for the new Z28 to be a turbo V6, it sends the RIGHT message and assures the long term survival of the Camaro IMHO. I consider the current LLT V6 the "new" small block and the 6.2 LS3/L99 the new bigblock.

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The 1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z28

Specifications
Wheelbase, inches: 108.1
Weight, lbs: 3,765
Number built: 20,302
Base price: $3,185

Top Available Engine
Type: ohv V-8
Displacement, cid: 302
Fuel system: 2 x 4 bbl.
Compression ratio: 11.0:1
Horsepower @ rpm: 290 @ 5800
Torque @ rpm: 290 @ 4200

Representative Performance
0-60 mph, sec: 7.4
1/4 mile, sec @ mph: 15.12 @ 94.8


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