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Old 06-10-2010, 01:56 AM   #1
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Turbo or engine swap?

Hey everyone, Im new to cars, and just picked up my camaro 2lt rs a few weeks ago! I'm trying to educate myself and i was just wondering what would be best (in price and performace) to do, either buy a turbo kit in a few years or get a crate v8 engine from gm?

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Old 06-10-2010, 02:26 AM   #2
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performance wise i think the v8 but price turbo or sc by a long shot, and im not sure but i think someone said something about the v8 not just bolting in, you had to change a ton of stuff to get it to fit
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performance wise i think the v8 but price turbo or sc by a long shot, and im not sure but i think someone said something about the v8 not just bolting in, you had to change a ton of stuff to get it to fit
its a lot of hassle to swap it over. you are better off trading in the v6 in on a v8.

besides the engine and transmission parts to swap, suspension, brakes, computer, etc all have to be swapped over. and at the end of the day, the time and money invested in it could be much more wisely spent on just trading for a V8.

now, if you want to keep the v6 and mod it, there's plenty of options available.
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Old 06-10-2010, 06:54 AM   #4
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Depends on what you're swapping to. Eventually I am looking at stripping it and my cheap LS will get a 496 or larger along with a built t56 6 speed. The IRS will be looked at and possibly get changed to a solid axle set-up.. The brakes will stay as is because they are a good set-up and don't let them tell you different, otherwise why would some of the SS guys be willing to swap so they can get different wheels. I will deal with certain things as time gets closer(such as dash/computer/carbed or injected), but I will not do anything while I have a powertrain warranty.
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Hey everyone, Im new to cars, and just picked up my camaro 2lt rs a few weeks ago! I'm trying to educate myself and i was just wondering what would be best (in price and performace) to do, either buy a turbo kit in a few years or get a crate v8 engine from gm?

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its a lot of hassle to swap it over. you are better off trading in the v6 in on a v8.

besides the engine and transmission parts to swap, suspension, brakes, computer, etc all have to be swapped over. and at the end of the day, the time and money invested in it could be much more wisely spent on just trading for a V8.

now, if you want to keep the v6 and mod it, there's plenty of options available.
talking about boost for a V6? There are currently not a lot of options:(
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LSX 376 or another turnkey engine drop. Depends on how much these turbos/sc are going to cost us when they finally come out.
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Depends on what you're swapping to. Eventually I am looking at stripping it and my cheap LS will get a 496 or larger along with a built t56 6 speed. The IRS will be looked at and possibly get changed to a solid axle set-up.. The brakes will stay as is because they are a good set-up and don't let them tell you different, otherwise why would some of the SS guys be willing to swap so they can get different wheels. I will deal with certain things as time gets closer(such as dash/computer/carbed or injected), but I will not do anything while I have a powertrain warranty.
the main good thing about them is that they are smaller than the SS brakes so that people can run smaller wheels with bigger tires.

they do a good job tho. I'm liking the CTS-V front brake swap

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talking about boost for a V6? There are currently not a lot of options:(

there are plenty of turbo and nitrous kits out for the v6. superchargers on the other hand... vortech, procharger are out, the top mounted (twin screw and roots) are still in work unfortunately.
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the main good thing about them is that they are smaller than the SS brakes so that people can run smaller wheels with bigger tires.

they do a good job tho.
Exactly. We all aren't looking to roadcourse our cars so we all don't want/need Brembos. I don't want the monster wheels and my LS brakes work fine/better than most I've had in the past.
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there are plenty of turbo and nitrous kits out for the v6. superchargers on the other hand... vortech, procharger are out, the top mounted (twin screw and roots) are still in work unfortunately.
am i reading this wrong or are you saying there are turbo kits and superchargers available for the v6? there are neither available.
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Old 06-15-2010, 07:29 AM   #11
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there are plenty of turbo and nitrous kits out for the v6. superchargers on the other hand... vortech, procharger are out, the top mounted (twin screw and roots) are still in work unfortunately.
Cool! Where do I order my Turbo?
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Old 06-15-2010, 10:35 AM   #12
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the main good thing about them is that they are smaller than the SS brakes so that people can run smaller wheels with bigger tires.

they do a good job tho. I'm liking the CTS-V front brake swap




there are plenty of turbo and nitrous kits out for the v6. superchargers on the other hand... vortech, procharger are out, the top mounted (twin screw and roots) are still in work unfortunately.

Who is making a turbo and where can I find one? I have been looking and havent found anyone selling one yet.
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Old 06-15-2010, 01:55 PM   #13
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Old 06-17-2010, 08:05 AM   #14
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estimated what is the cost of v6 to v8 engine swap? Technically if you can do that switch, then you don't technically need an SS to tune the car up....plus insurance staays low because the car is not an ss v8 model...
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Old 06-19-2010, 01:50 PM   #15
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thanks for your help everyone,
I dont plan to make the swap till im 25 (for insurance reasons) Ill see what type of numbers the turbo's and supercharge put out and make my mind up then!
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Here is a motor ready for you to swap: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90430
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If you plan on keeping the car and not selling or trading it in for somethings else down the road then just do an engine swap. People keep saying a tone of stuff needs to be changed but its not as much as you think.
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Old 06-21-2010, 01:27 PM   #18
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regardless of of charging up the car, turbo would last better in engine, plus is faster. Might as well engine swap, and tune up the car. It will be faster car than tuning up the v6. And it will be better on insurance because the car you bought is a v6. does anyone know if this voids the warranty? Swapping through a dealer?
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the main good thing about them is that they are smaller than the SS brakes so that people can run smaller wheels with bigger tires.

they do a good job tho. I'm liking the CTS-V front brake swap




there are plenty of turbo and nitrous kits out for the v6. superchargers on the other hand... vortech, procharger are out, the top mounted (twin screw and roots) are still in work unfortunately.
What? I'm confused.
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I was thinking of doing this also. I might do an engine swap. you can get a good crate engine V8 at decent prices. for what it sounds like these turbos are coming up with in price you can get a v8.
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Not many facts around some of the things I'm reading here. There is a lot of information about crate engines (daveprimo provided a good link). Look at this one:

http://www.crateenginedepot.com/stor...778-P11C0.aspx

That puts out about the same crank HP as STS claims their turbo will on the V6. The price is probably about the same (need to remember you will need meth injection or intercooler to get past 5psi on their system), but the turbo will be cheaper/quicker to install (remember the crate will probably need a different tranny).

So, to the OP, if you are waiting until you are 25 to do this, you can wait to see if more FI stuff comes out. It seems the crate engine route will be more expensive, but if money isn't an object then a V8 will have more potential to get really high HP numbers. Just be patient.
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If he could find a take out engine from someone who dropped in a bigger one, or one from a junked car would be the cheapest route. You have to replace the tranny, electronics, fuel pump and drive shaft as well if you ever hope for it to run and move. That stuff gets expensive.
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I thought someone said that the v6 sub frame would not be able to hold a LS3 or something to that effect
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I thought someone said that the v6 sub frame would not be able to hold a LS3 or something to that effect
Nope, the sub frame is the same part on both engines. The V6 and V8 suspensions are nearly identical.
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