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Old 09-23-2011, 11:01 PM   #3751
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Well, it's a good news bad news scenario, so first the good news:

Good News:
We road tuned the SST for a while today.
First, did normal 'street driving' tuning. Car running great.
Second, did one or two low psi boost runs to tune the primary to secondary fuel pump and injector transition.
Third, did about a 10-12 6 psi/750hp 1/2 gear runs to dial in secondary circuit.
The car ran flawlessly and was surprisingly quick given the tire limitations we have.

Bad News:
The transmission has never felt right since day 1 and today proved it. It destroyed itself after those simple runs. Tranny was not overheated accoriding to the CompuShift computer. We were taking off in first gear and it just went away. Without that, the SST was going to be on a transport next week and home for Pony Wars. Pissed off is an understatement. This was not NRE at all. I was driving from the start and we were monitoring everything. This is 100% Bowler.

Needless to say this tranny has been the biggest waste in both time and money. Advice - stay the hell away from Bowler.
So, we will be trying to get a tranny from Finish Line, Rossler or RPM as fast as humanly possible.

The takeaway is that the SST is a blast to drive. From docile to an animal with a quick twist. The rollcage is so integrated you barely notice it and the car suspension is very tight. The car is very controllable when the power comes on. It is a smooth, violent feeling. Anyway, I have a few so-so videos since I had no idea the tranny was going to toast itself but there is something from in the driver's viewpoint.

A special thanks to Cali_Camaro for coming out to check it out. I was going to take him out for a ride when he came back, but the tranny ate it before he got back. Sorry dude... I will be out again shortly.

Thanks for continued support you guys.
Without you I would have lost my mind a while back...

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Well I know you are disappointed and excited, both at the same time......think you'll still make it to Pony Wars??????
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Old 09-23-2011, 11:05 PM   #3752
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Well I know you are disappointed and excited, both at the same time......think you'll still make it to Pony Wars??????

I will be at Pony Wars no matter what. I just hope I can get a tranny quick enought to get the SST there too.
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Old 09-24-2011, 12:02 AM   #3753
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Man that's a tough one Bruce. Hope you get everything worked out soon. I don't remember...was your 4L80 controlled or manual?
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Old 09-24-2011, 12:39 AM   #3754
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Any time bro was great to finally meet the legend.

And again dont be srry I didnt to experience the insane power but im sorry about the tranny man that was a bummer. that thing blow chunks! and when I saw that

Well hope you get it in time for PW.
You took it like a million times better than I would have
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Old 09-24-2011, 07:31 AM   #3755
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Bruce:
I'm really glad you got some seat time, but I can't imagine how you must have felt when the tranny went. But, it's better that it blew now rather than when you got it back to Florida. I don't think anyone has ever had a build of this magnitude who didn't suffer some set backs. I think it's probably a normal part of building such a monster.

I'm looking forward to the videos. Thanks for taking them for us. We live vicariously through you.

In the end, when your car is right and you have it home, all of these delays and set backs will be distant memories and you will have the baddest 5th Gen the world has ever seen. I know I can't wait to see it someday (and maybe get a ride in it).
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Old 09-24-2011, 08:25 AM   #3756
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WTH? B, you are an oak.

Bring FreeBird to Pony Wars if the SST is sidelined!
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Old 09-24-2011, 08:29 AM   #3757
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AHH Bud that just sucks. Go for the Rossler, if they can hold up to 540 ci BAE TT set up, they should be good. That's the Pro Mod tranny of choice for the turbo guy's. They will stand up to SST.

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Old 09-24-2011, 09:16 AM   #3758
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Unreal man but you are definetly building a legend so hang in there we all have your back brotha!!!
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Old 09-24-2011, 11:16 AM   #3759
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sorry about the bad news hope things get straightened out soon, and did i read correctly when you said "a smooth violent feeling"?
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Old 09-24-2011, 11:27 AM   #3760
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What a tough road you have had!! Hang in there. It will work out. I think DE is right. A build of this magnitude is going to have way more than normal birthing pains. The ability to go from smooth driving completely streetable car to fire breathing pavement crushing shredder is a tall order. Just doing one or the other can be tough. Getting both in the same car will be worth the pains. We are cheering for you!
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damn, that sucks .. ..i,m gonna refer to you as DR.bruce...because you def have more patients then me..lol...glad you got to drive it...can,t believe that all this time nre had it , they couldn,t hurt it...you get there 1 day and smoke the tranny...maybe they build badd ass engines but don,t know how to drive it???....after my shop does some upgrade , i tell them drive it like they stole it, if it breaks then it wasn,t right to begin with...don,t drive it around the corner and make a few small laps, and park it up front....cause i,m gonna drive it like i stole it and i need to klnow it can handle it b4 i get my hands on it..good luck,
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Old 09-24-2011, 11:54 AM   #3762
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Old 09-24-2011, 01:16 PM   #3763
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Bruce,

Thoughts of JOB come to mind... I also am glad you got a little seat time though it must be frustrating to have it taken away so soon... And this may be the first time I've ever seen you have anything negative to say about anyone or anyplace...

I feel for you, and I know it's frustrating... I the grand scheme of things though...

As MTCWBY told me, some people build bad cars so others can gawk and to give them something to talk about when things break... We fix it and move on... not an exact quote...

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Old 09-24-2011, 01:44 PM   #3764
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Exciting to hear how well the motor is going and that you got some drive time, That's the number one thing. Hope you get the new tranny in and tuned up quickly.

Exciting times are just ahead... hang in there bud...
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Are you thinking maybe it had something to do with the previous trans problem? Hope they make it right for you...record the phone call to Bowler, I'd love to hear it
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First and foremost - Thank You for the support. It REALLLY does help.

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Man that's a tough one Bruce. Hope you get everything worked out soon. I don't remember...was your 4L80 controlled or manual?
Compushift Controller. Everything was working great. Trans temps OK. Then just hammered it in first and it felt just like it there was no line pressure. Very strange.

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Any time bro was great to finally meet the legend.

And again dont be srry I didnt to experience the insane power but im sorry about the tranny man that was a bummer. that thing blow chunks! and when I saw that
Well hope you get it in time for PW.
You took it like a million times better than I would have
No legend here - jus felt bad since we were all ready to take you out on some higher boost runs. Just hold on to the rollcage and feel it go...

Yeah, when we pulled that pan it just looked like it had and instant meltdown... Post mortem will be interesting.

Thanks for your patience - and your cutouts sound great !!


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Bruce:
I'm really glad you got some seat time, but I can't imagine how you must have felt when the tranny went. But, it's better that it blew now rather than when you got it back to Florida. I don't think anyone has ever had a build of this magnitude who didn't suffer some set backs. I think it's probably a normal part of building such a monster.

I'm looking forward to the videos. Thanks for taking them for us. We live vicariously through you.

In the end, when your car is right and you have it home, all of these delays and set backs will be distant memories and you will have the baddest 5th Gen the world has ever seen. I know I can't wait to see it someday (and maybe get a ride in it).
Thanks so much for the kind words T. There are many nicer 5th gens, but I will make sure you ride and/or drive it. It is actually very well balanced and easier to control than I originally thought.

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Bring FreeBird to Pony Wars if the SST is sidelined!
I was thinking about it. No matter what we will bring up Mighty Mouse.

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AHH Bud that just sucks. Go for the Rossler, if they can hold up to 540 ci BAE TT set up, they should be good. That's the Pro Mod tranny of choice for the turbo guy's. They will stand up to SST.

Yeah, I am going to call them when they open Monday. Thanks !!

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Unreal man but you are definetly building a legend so hang in there we all have your back brotha!!!
Thank YOU so much brotha. You have helped so much !!

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sorry about the bad news hope things get straightened out soon, and did i read correctly when you said "a smooth violent feeling"?
Sorry, smooth-violent is the only way to describe it. Without using the transbrake it feels like an incredibly smooth exponential power increase. Very driveable. Totally different feel than driving a car like the Firebird. (540 BBC/F-2/Manual Tranny/Live rear axle). That is a handful.

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What a tough road you have had!! Hang in there. It will work out. I think DE is right. A build of this magnitude is going to have way more than normal birthing pains. The ability to go from smooth driving completely streetable car to fire breathing pavement crushing shredder is a tall order. Just doing one or the other can be tough. Getting both in the same car will be worth the pains. We are cheering for you!
Thank Brian. The neat part, even though it was short , was the way it would transition to a 'race' curve with no driver input required. Just push the pedal farther. You can hear the Eliminator pump kick on and see on the computer when the second 8 injectors come in but it is so progressive without the monitoring, you'd never know.

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damn, that sucks .. ..i,m gonna refer to you as DR.bruce...because you def have more patients then me..lol...glad you got to drive it...can,t believe that all this time nre had it , they couldn,t hurt it...you get there 1 day and smoke the tranny...maybe they build badd ass engines but don,t know how to drive it???....after my shop does some upgrade , i tell them drive it like they stole it, if it breaks then it wasn,t right to begin with...don,t drive it around the corner and make a few small laps, and park it up front....cause i,m gonna drive it like i stole it and i need to klnow it can handle it b4 i get my hands on it..good luck,
Tom was a little nervous. He said if he had been the one that cooked that tranny before I came out he would have had a heart attack.

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Bruce,

Thoughts of JOB come to mind... I also am glad you got a little seat time though it must be frustrating to have it taken away so soon... And this may be the first time I've ever seen you have anything negative to say about anyone or anyplace...

I feel for you, and I know it's frustrating... I the grand scheme of things though...

As MTCWBY told me, some people build bad cars so others can gawk and to give them something to talk about when things break... We fix it and move on... not an exact quote...

SST will run... Soon....
Thanks a bunch B. Yes I remember MTCWBY saying that and it is very true. Just didn't think it would barf so quick. At the track with DRs/slicks, transbrake and lots of boost, yeah. But damn, not on street tires.

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Exciting to hear how well the motor is going and that you got some drive time, That's the number one thing. Hope you get the new tranny in and tuned up quickly.

Exciting times are just ahead... hang in there bud...
Thank You Mike. Just frustrating this time because without that, it was going to be picked up early next week and be heading to Pony Wars. Just want to drive it now. This is definitely not a trailer queen.

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I suspect so.
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Old 09-24-2011, 08:23 PM   #3768
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Hey Bud. Soon as the Lost Coast Brewery Rasberry Nut Brown that I ordered shows up, I'll send you some Pumpkineater Ale and Rasberry Nut Brown in a care package. Might ease the sting a bit. Hang in there..............just tie a knot in the end of the rope and hang on.

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Old 09-24-2011, 10:35 PM   #3769
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No legend here - jus felt bad since we were all ready to take you out on some higher boost runs. Just hold on to the rollcage and feel it go...

Yeah, when we pulled that pan it just looked like it had and instant meltdown... Post mortem will be interesting.

Thanks for your patience - and your cutouts sound great !!
Oh yea lol I wish I got that ride.
Well soon enough, and thanks for the compliment on the cutouts!
So I guess ill be seeing you again shortly when the new trans is in!!
it was fun meeting you though and then hanging out at the shop
maybe next time all goes well we can cruise and go have a bite to eat some where
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I'm sorry to hear about the transmission Bruce... Maybe I should have opened my mouth and said something about going to RPM. Everyone I have seen high horsepower applications over 1400 hp, have all gone to RPM in the first place and never looked back. I have not once seen anyone go with bowler other than you. Sorry to hear, keep your head up and if your trusting RPM it would be a choice I would take Glad the bad news doesn't involve anyone in harm.
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Hey Bud. Soon as the Lost Coast Brewery Rasberry Nut Brown that I ordered shows up, I'll send you some Pumpkineater Ale and Rasberry Nut Brown in a care package. Might ease the sting a bit. Hang in there..............just tie a knot in the end of the rope and hang on.

That looks like some good brew there. Very nice !

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Oh yea lol I wish I got that ride.
Well soon enough, and thanks for the compliment on the cutouts!
So I guess ill be seeing you again shortly when the new trans is in!!
it was fun meeting you though and then hanging out at the shop
maybe next time all goes well we can cruise and go have a bite to eat some where
Absolutely. The 6 psi runs were fun but we were going to take you out for the 14/15 psi set. That's where the excitement begins.

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I'm sorry to hear about the transmission Bruce... Maybe I should have opened my mouth and said something about going to RPM. Everyone I have seen high horsepower applications over 1400 hp, have all gone to RPM in the first place and never looked back. I have not once seen anyone go with bowler other than you. Sorry to hear, keep your head up and if your trusting RPM it would be a choice I would take Glad the bad news doesn't involve anyone in harm.
Thanks and by all means open your mouth...
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Corey an I were discussing a lenko the other day, just not sure how street friendly that would be... The shifter would scream race car.... Time will tell...
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Absolutely. The 6 psi runs were fun but we were going to take you out for the 14/15 psi set. That's where the excitement begins.



Thanks and by all means open your mouth.... Should have gone with my gut but the 'other' guys were good salesman. Either Rossler or RPM or Finish Line will get the nod. I am going to call all three tomorrow.
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Sorry to hear about your trans problems Bruce. It seems like we are all experiencing trans issues this year. Anyways, luck will be in your favor and I'm sure you'll be able to get a good trans soon enough. I've heard great things about Rossler transmissions. You still coming out to SD next month?
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Corey an I were discussing a lenko the other day, just not sure how street friendly that would be... The shifter would scream race car.... Time will tell...
Talk to Larry Larson. He runs a Lenco in his Nova and it runs both on the street (albeit very limited) and 6's in the 1/4. In general a Lenco really takes the car out of truly streetable. It trashes your interior.

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Sorry to hear about your trans problems Bruce. It seems like we are all experiencing trans issues this year. Anyways, luck will be in your favor and I'm sure you'll be able to get a good trans soon enough. I've heard great things about Rossler transmissions. You still coming out to SD next month?
Yeah I am calling three trans places Monday. I have the order in mind. And yes, we are coming out to SD for the AUVSI USIC conference and demo in SD Harbor. Hope you can stop by.
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Ok, so these videos suck. When we went out the second time we were going to do some more granny laps so didn't fire up the GoPro. I was driving and Tom was manning the computers/laptop so both our hands were full. But then it was running so well we headed up and did those 6 psi runs without the camera...doh. Yeah I know stupid is as stupid does.

I am kicking myself in the butt now. Next time I know to just film everything and edit it later. But who knew ?

Coming off the lift for the road tuning:



Pulling out of the garage. (forgot to disengage the ignition safety lock when first trying to start it). Then it fired right up.


Getting ready for the road tuning laps. We are both surprised at how loud it is. Usually the turbos quiet the exhaust down more. Sounds pretty cool though.


Putting in our order for more C-16 for the later high boost runs:


Leaving NRE. You can hear the BOV's. First sounded like a beat coming out of the radio...


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