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Old 04-16-2012, 10:12 PM   #4801
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Nothing crazy. Just another little video clip my cousin took. 7 psi roll into throttle in drive to check air/fuel...

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Old 04-16-2012, 10:40 PM   #4802
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Bruce I have been following your thread for a while and your car is awesome..

I would die to have a nelson racing engine in my camaro and 1 of the toys you own...

My suggestion about the BCM is very simple. Skip the middle man and go to the manufacturer.

Obviously there are users on this site that work for GM, have one of them make a phone call to the programmers of the BCM at GM headquarters and see if they help you program out limp mode.

You may have to fly them down, or something but I think it is 100% for someone that programmed it to remove the security logic/ limp mode. But they need to know how it was programmed to do so.
What you fail to grasp is this isnt GM these modules are bought from someone else. And then usually the maker doesnt even speak english. Car companies have various suppliers for everything. When i worked at the proving grounds I probably could of got him directly in contact with someone that may be able to help but that was over 10 years ago and GM closed down that facility anyhow I think nissan owns it now.


I dont know if it has changed recently but back when i worked at a gm dealership we would try to solve issues of this nature to all the steps defined and document our work etc. Then we had to create a case in a GM database then usually a regional rep would contact us and may possibly have some other stuff to try. Then if that didnt work they would schedule some one to come in and check it out and from there not sure never saw a case go past that point...

Maybe fbodfather can help not sure what his role is with GM...
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Old 04-16-2012, 10:54 PM   #4803
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What you fail to grasp is this isnt GM these modules are bought from someone else. And then usually the maker doesnt even speak english. Car companies have various suppliers for everything. When i worked at the proving grounds I probably could of got him directly in contact with someone that may be able to help but that was over 10 years ago and GM closed down that facility anyhow I think nissan owns it now.


I dont know if it has changed recently but back when i worked at a gm dealership we would try to solve issues of this nature to all the steps defined and document our work etc. Then we had to create a case in a GM database then usually a regional rep would contact us and may possibly have some other stuff to try. Then if that didnt work they would schedule some one to come in and check it out and from there not sure never saw a case go past that point...

Maybe fbodfather can help not sure what his role is with GM...
So who makes the module? And is the code written in English or mandarin?/ tawainese/ Korean?
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Old 04-16-2012, 10:56 PM   #4804
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depends on the supplier at the time
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Old 04-16-2012, 11:08 PM   #4805
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depends on the supplier at the time
Speedsters I believe is an early 2010.

I think it's very possible to get a true programmer to go into the system and eliminate limp mode.

Also I hate limp mode, I had an equinox that got water in the sunroof by accident and it put my car in limp
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Old 04-16-2012, 11:11 PM   #4806
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Like driyac said though, isn't there a possibility someone with GM would know who to contact, which company is currently providing these BCM's... and or who writes the code...
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Old 04-16-2012, 11:19 PM   #4807
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Like driyac said though, isn't there a possibility someone with GM would know who to contact, which company is currently providing these BCM's... and or who writes the code...
Thats my point. There are some very talented people at gm who woul love to take a crack at this I bet.
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Old 04-17-2012, 12:59 AM   #4808
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Yep. Now we just need them to notice that Bruce needs help.
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Old 04-17-2012, 01:23 AM   #4809
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Yep. Now we just need them to notice that Bruce needs help.
Nothing ever came to anyone that waited.....

If you know someone, make a call for Bruce.
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Old 04-17-2012, 01:49 AM   #4810
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Thats my point. There are some very talented people at gm who woul love to take a crack at this I bet.
And it may not be someone at GM, but there is bound to be someone at GM that knows someone at the company that writes the code...
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:37 AM   #4811
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There are several of us getting ready to put AMS1000 boost controllers in our cars. We may all need to know the fix for this issue.

Best of luck with it, Bruce.
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Old 04-17-2012, 01:47 PM   #4812
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There are several of us getting ready to put AMS1000 boost controllers in our cars. We may all need to know the fix for this issue.

Best of luck with it, Bruce.
The more I think about this, there is no way GM let a manufacturer program the BCM. Ecspeially a chinese one at thy. That is proprietary information and they would not source this out to the manufacturer of the BCM. Now they most likely have a department in house or a company that does this.
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Old 04-17-2012, 02:10 PM   #4813
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There are several of us getting ready to put AMS1000 boost controllers in our cars. We may all need to know the fix for this issue.

Best of luck with it, Bruce.
DE, Bruces car is speshul! I dont think yours will have any issue. Unless of course you plan on replacing the engine PCM with an aftermarket one
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Old 04-17-2012, 02:11 PM   #4814
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The more I think about this, there is no way GM let a manufacturer program the BCM. Ecspeially a chinese one at thy. That is proprietary information and they would not source this out to the manufacturer of the BCM. Now they most likely have a department in house or a company that does this.
Give them a call and find out
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Old 04-17-2012, 03:28 PM   #4815
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Hey -

Just popped back on here. You are right about the BCM in terms of it is proprietary and you just don't give that information freely. Plus from GM's point of view, it is tied directly to the safety systems which would open up a can of worms with respect to potential lawsuits.


One of the guys is tracing every wire path right now. They are mapping all of the input sensors and are playing with them one at a time to find the culprit.


With regards to the AMS-1000, Ed is right, you will not have any problems with it. The SST is tricky because it uses standalone computers to run the drivetrain.



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Bruce I have been following your thread for a while and your car is awesome.....help you program out limp mode.

Thanks ! ...and limp mode basically sucks !
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Old 04-17-2012, 05:11 PM   #4816
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Hey -

Just popped back on here. You are right about the BCM in terms of it is proprietary and you just don't give that information freely. Plus from GM's point of view, it is tied directly to the safety systems which would open up a can of worms with respect to potential lawsuits.

One of the guys is tracing every wire path right now. They are mapping all of the input sensors and are playing with them one at a time to find the culprit.

With regards to the AMS-1000, Ed is right, you will not have any problems with it. The SST is tricky because it uses standalone computers to run the drivetrain.




Thanks ! ...and limp mode basically sucks !
So your issue is with the Aftermarket PCM communicating with the BCM? or does the camaro not have a PCM and only a BCM and that is causing the problem?
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aftermarket PCM stock PCM stock BCM aftermarket trans ECM and then all the factory nannies
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Old 04-17-2012, 05:29 PM   #4818
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There's just to much going on, you have basically 2 different computer code languages trying to talk to each other.

I doubt its anything to do with sensors and or modules but most likely a "code" is being transmitted to the BCM that looks like an emergency issue and therefore the BCM/PCM is throwing you into limp mode.

So you have your after market PCM trying to speak to a factory PCM (diff coding) which then speaks your BCM then back to the factory ECM back to your after market PCM which when it doesn't accept the code correctly rejects the code and tells the PCM/BCM something's wrong and to go into limp mode.

I know it's going to be hard but finding a the least amount of parts to get your car to work is going to be te best solution.
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aftermarket pcm doesnt talk to the factory one other then sensor status

Unfortunately if he ran it off of the factory pcm then he has to have it retuned and use factory sensors to talk to factory pcm.

Bruce yours is a conventional SBC or LSX style?
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Old 04-17-2012, 05:59 PM   #4820
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Old 04-17-2012, 07:24 PM   #4821
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aftermarket pcm doesnt talk to the factory one other then sensor status

Unfortunately if he ran it off of the factory pcm then he has to have it retuned and use factory sensors to talk to factory pcm.

Bruce yours is a conventional SBC or LSX style?

LSX.

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There's just to much going on, you have basically 2 different computer code languages trying to talk to each other. ....I know it's going to be hard but finding a the least amount of parts to get your car to work is going to be the best solution.
I agree, but the factory PCM cannot handle this setup for a myriad of reasons - 16 injectors, progressive dual fuel pump control, extreme high boost compatible, etc.
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I agree, but the factory PCM cannot handle this setup for a myriad of reasons - 16 injectors, progressive dual fuel pump control, extreme high boost compatible, etc.
But I guess someone had to try it and see if they could figure it out I feel for you B. Electronics can be the most frustrating technical issues to deal with unfortunately. By the way, my car has some updated progress pics if you are following it on facebook thru Cincy Speed. Finally headed to the finish
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I agree, but the factory PCM cannot handle this setup for a myriad of reasons - 16 injectors, progressive dual fuel pump control, extreme high boost compatible, etc.
So im guessing what you are doing now is trying to find the loophole to trick the system pretty much.
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But I guess someone had to try it and see if they could figure it out I feel for you B. Electronics can be the most frustrating technical issues to deal with unfortunately. By the way, my car has some updated progress pics if you are following it on facebook thru Cincy Speed. Finally headed to the finish
C'mon J. You know I'm rooting for you to get that thing on the track and run sick E.T.'s
I see you picked up a data logger - smart...

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So im guessing what you are doing now is trying to find the loophole to trick the system pretty much.
Exactly. Very elusive, but they are close...
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