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Old 06-27-2010, 06:52 PM   #101
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Now that the decision was made to push the engine output a little higher, we went on the prowl for fuel system upgrades and alternative. Originally we would have gone with one of the dual pump systems that a few of the Camaro 5 vendors have but as with the engine itself, as it morphed, its fuel needs did too.

This fuel system is a true dual fuel system we call "Octane On Demand". Basically, the SST engine is outfitted with 16 injectors. It is two completely separate 8 injector systems controlled by a very sophisticated engine computer. We will determine the exact injector sizing during the dyno testing but they will more than likely be 83 lbs/hr or 65 lbs/hr or a mix of the two.

How it works:

1. When the engine is in low load mode (i.e. unboosted/high vacuum mode) it will utilize the primary fuel pump which normally runs 93 octane pump gas and the engine computer tells the electronic fuel pump controller to reduce pump voltage to slow the fuel flow and keep it from unnecessary fuel heating while simultaneously unloading the pump.

2. When the engine is in medium load mode (i.e. low vacuum/low boost) the engine computer tells the electronic pump controller to kick the primary pump to full voltage.

3. When the engine is in high load mode/high boost the engine computer commands both primary and secondary pump to full output. The secondary pump is actually a higher capacity pump than the primary. The secondary pump also pumps strictly C-16 race fuel.

The driver does not feel any of this occur. This is completely automatic and 100% streetable. It also allows for some pretty spirited driving on standing miles, road courses or open highway races (i.e. Silver State Classic in Nevada) without touching the car.

[Note: For max effort drag race runs, the primary fuel cell can also be filled with C-23 race fuel and a full boost map can be quickly loaded into the engine computer.]

Here are the pics of the Octane On Demand system:
First Pic - Spare Tire/Stock Battery Location - Great low and rear location for fuel cells
Second Pic - Here are the fuel cells built to fit directly into spare tire well
Third Pic - Pic of dual fabricated fuel cells - primary 18 gallons, secondary 16 gallons
Fourth Pic - Note the baffled pickup area and that the pickup is actually a replaceable 100 micron fuel filter.
Fifth Pic - Primary fuel pump - Aeromotive A1000
Sixth Pic - Secondary fuel pump - Aeromotive A11104 Eliminator
Seventh Pic - The fuel cells installed
Eight Pic - Completed fuel cell install
Ninth Pic - Fabricated fuel fill lines and vent line for each cell
Tenth Pic - A nice touch. Top nozzle - 93 octane pump gas, Bottom nozzle - C-16 Race Fuel. The request was if possible it would be a very clean installation if they could fit both fill nozzles behind the factory gas lid. They did get it to fit. Again, impeccable workmanship - keeps it stock looking.
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Old 06-27-2010, 06:59 PM   #102
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omg! I'm going to learn so much on this thread!!! sooo purty!!!
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OMG! That is amazing! speedster, thanks for sharing all these cool images as your car progresses. This car is going to stand head and shoulders above all the others. I hope you can get some video for us when it is up and running!
There will be some videos...

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Bruce all I can say is SHAZZZAAMMM. Complete eye candy. Absolutley looks awesome. I cant wait til you get this done and see this car in person. Keep the pics coming.
Gettin' closer everyday.

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woooowww.......

This car better be at C5fest2
Actually, I'm sure all the California people here, would love to see it in person before you take it to Florida with you.
After the engine is installed, I have to drive it around under varying conditions for a few days to get all of the part throttle maps done. Tom (Nelson) sits in the passenger seat and we just drive 'n tune. I have a couple of California C5 members going to ride around during this. It'd be fun to cruise with you guys while it is still out there. It would be an honor.
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Old 06-27-2010, 07:11 PM   #103
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wow! speechless....
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Old 06-27-2010, 07:15 PM   #104
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After the engine is installed, I have to drive it around under varying conditions for a few days to get all of the part throttle maps done. Tom (Nelson) sits in the passenger seat and we just drive 'n tune. I have a couple of California C5 members going to ride around during this. It'd be fun to cruise with you guys while it is still out there. It would be an honor.
Let us know ahead of time when the best day for you is and we'll set something up.
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Old 06-27-2010, 07:15 PM   #105
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Speedster's car scares me...

It reminds me that there will always be a faster car...HIS!
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Old 06-27-2010, 07:27 PM   #106
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I've seen some awesome builds over the years, even got to take part in more than a few... But THIS is some off the charts stuff! Thanks for sharing

Just your aluminum welding bill would put me in the poor house
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Old 06-27-2010, 09:12 PM   #107
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Dude...thats intense! can't wait to see it!
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Old 06-28-2010, 08:41 AM   #108
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I am subscribing as this is an incredable build.
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Old 06-28-2010, 08:53 AM   #109
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Thanks everyone. We wanted to push the envelope of a true dual purpose car by keeping it looking and acting like a stock 5th gen Camaro, but allowing for some high performance characteristics.

Once the windows are tinted and when it has the stock rims on you really can't tell anything was done to the SST. Very minor outside cues. The only really noticeable change will be the hood because with the turbos heat extraction becomes very important.
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Old 06-28-2010, 10:13 AM   #110
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Bruce and I have had lunch a couple time and discussed this build....

Hearing Bruce talk about the car and trying to process the level of effort that goes into a build like this from just listening to him.... It didn't really click..

I mean, you hear him say things like 1400+ HP.. 16 injectors.... one off intake... On demand fuel systems..... And you instantly know this car is something special...

But, OMG.... Seeing it in pictures..... Holy crap man... I've been around cars/show cars/race cars my whole life.... And been around some people with more money than sense who just throw money at a project and call it done...(Speedster is NOT one of them) And I've never seen something like this EVER! There is no piece, system or component in this build that hasn't been thought through.... (two fuel filler ports!!!!!!! )

I can"t Wait to see this thing in person....

Can't wait to see more....

We will not likely see another car with near stock drive-ability merged with this kind of extreme bullet proof performance....


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Old 06-28-2010, 01:55 PM   #111
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Bruce and I have had lunch a couple time and discussed this build....

Hearing Bruce talk about the car and trying to process the level of effort that goes into a build like this from just listening to him.... It didn't really click..

I mean, you hear him say things like 1400+ HP.. 16 injectors.... one off intake... On demand fuel systems..... And you instantly know this car is something special...

But, OMG.... Seeing it in pictures..... Holy crap man... I've been around cars/show cars/race cars my whole life.... And been around some people with more money than sense who just throw money at a project and call it done...(Speedster is NOT one of them) And I've never seen something like this EVER! There is no piece, system or component in this build that hasn't been thought through.... (two fuel filler ports!!!!!!! )

I can"t Wait to see this thing in person....

Can't wait to see more....

We will not likely see another car with near stock drive-ability merged with this kind of extreme bullet proof performance....


Wow, Thanks for the kind words Chris... I'm speechless.

There are a million different ways to make the Camaro your own and this is just one of many. I just hope that when it all comes together it gives other C5 members some ideas that they too can push the envelope a little with their Camaro.

I am just looking forward to when a bunch of us can go cruising together , then go to a racetrack and let it all hang out - and have some fun with other makes and models of cars...

So...when are you going to get those gauges ??
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It reminds me that there will always be a faster car...HIS!
RIGHT?! I don't think he'll have to worry about that!

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Bruce and I have had lunch a couple time and discussed this build....

Hearing Bruce talk about the car and trying to process the level of effort that goes into a build like this from just listening to him.... It didn't really click..

I mean, you hear him say things like 1400+ HP.. 16 injectors.... one off intake... On demand fuel systems..... And you instantly know this car is something special...

But, OMG.... Seeing it in pictures..... Holy crap man... I've been around cars/show cars/race cars my whole life.... And been around some people with more money than sense who just throw money at a project and call it done...(Speedster is NOT one of them) And I've never seen something like this EVER! There is no piece, system or component in this build that hasn't been thought through.... (two fuel filler ports!!!!!!! )

I can"t Wait to see this thing in person....

Can't wait to see more....

We will not likely see another car with near stock drive-ability merged with this kind of extreme bullet proof performance....

I don't think words describe exactly what this car is going to be. I know I wouldn't be able to wrap my head around it

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Wow, Thanks for the kind words Chris... I'm speechless.

There are a million different ways to make the Camaro your own and this is just one of many. I just hope that when it all comes together it gives other C5 members some ideas that they too can push the envelope a little with their Camaro.

I am just looking forward to when a bunch of us can go cruising together , then go to a racetrack and let it all hang out - and have some fun with other makes and models of cars...

So...when are you going to get those gauges ??
Hopefully I can find a way to get to where you're going to be.
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Wow, Thanks for the kind words Chris... I'm speechless.

There are a million different ways to make the Camaro your own and this is just one of many. I just hope that when it all comes together it gives other C5 members some ideas that they too can push the envelope a little with their Camaro.

I am just looking forward to when a bunch of us can go cruising together , then go to a racetrack and let it all hang out - and have some fun with other makes and models of cars...

So...when are you going to get those gauges ??
Working on the approval process.... Procurement.... Funding request has been submitted to WIFECOMHOME.....



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Working on the approval process.... Procurement.... Funding request has been submitted to WIFECOMHOME.....




So was she originally SOCOM ? CENTCOM ? Now WIFECOMHOME with the ultimate in line item VETO power... You'll just have to classify them as "Toddler Needs" or just say you needed to pick them up for some special ARMS testing...
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So was she originally SOCOM ? CENTCOM ? Now WIFECOMHOME with the ultimate in line item VETO power... You'll just have to classify them as "Toddler Needs" or just say you needed to pick them up for some special ARMS testing...
Wow! You've done this before.....

there are about 10 inside jokes rolled into one post here....


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What are the plans for the rest of the drivetrain? Based on the powerplant descriptions, it would seem it's going to be beefed up . Looks awesome so far!
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Can you say 9" rearend.....LOL
Yes, but honestly, I wouldn't have a clue what I'm talking about!

I'm learning here. Bruce talked over my head at the Fest, too. I'm really good at nodding and throwing an occasional "Uh huh," in there.
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I don't want to spoil the surprise.... But.... Maybe.... Maybe not.....


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RIGHT?! I don't think he'll have to worry about that!

I don't think words describe exactly what this car is going to be. I know I wouldn't be able to wrap my head around it

Hopefully I can find a way to get to where you're going to be.
Thanks. But you will have no problem figuring this one out. Think high stall converter... See you got it !!!

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What are the plans for the rest of the drivetrain? Based on the powerplant descriptions, it would seem it's going to be beefed up . Looks awesome so far!
Tried all possible paths to use the 6L80E but the aftermarket has just not caught up yet plus it really has 2 gears too many for the SST. Mark Bowler built a sick, sick 4L85E for the SST with a billet converter. Rearend will most likely be a fabricated Mod 12 housing with Outlaw Axles. This Mod center can be set up with 12 bolt or 9" center guts. There are pros and cons for both. We will put the down the details about 12 bolt versus 9" but there are a few Camaro specific things to take in to account.

As far as gears, the higher the HP, the less gear you want so we chose to go with 3.31's. Details and pics will follow as we get them installed.
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Yes, but honestly, I wouldn't have a clue what I'm talking about!

I'm learning here. Bruce talked over my head at the Fest, too. I'm really good at nodding and throwing an occasional "Uh huh," in there.
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I don't want to spoil the surprise.... But.... Maybe.... Maybe not.....
The Firebird has a 9" rear with 3.70 gears, Detroit Locker and 35 spline axles, but that is also a straight axle. There are pros and cons to the viability in an IRS.

Have spoken with many aftermarket companies and there are issues. Maybe Tom at Hendrix figures out the 9" - don't know yet.

Have been working with others to this point and it should be getting close...One step at a time. Gotta be patient when pushing the new Camaro stuff. Always seems to take longer than you want. :(
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I sure hope someone figures out the correct rearend option SOON. Now Bruce, I know you can figure this out, but do it fast....LOL I waiting for it. I am also curious as to what options you have come across for the driveshaft? I know Chris has a 1 piece coming but I have also been told there are issues with the 1 piece at the TO bearing. I like the idea of a solid axle but I also am kinda leaning towards keeping the IRS to stay with the true character of the camaro and working on perfecting the setup for IRS. The whole process of building a new camaro is so exciting but at the same time, very frustrating as you stated, its a very slow process waiting on new designs on what works and what doesnt. I am curious as to what the stock diff will hold as I think I am going to be pushing those limits and hope the new designs arrive in time.
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OK, Jumping around a little here, but to complete the wheel tub and frame modifications, here are a few more small details plus the tire/wheel combo that will be on the SST when the stock ones aren't. These are a must for any type of race scenario.

First Pic - The vertical orange line is where the upper factory rear subframe mount and coilover pocket will be modified for clearance. This was the test fit with a 335/18 tire we had lying around. The coilovers are a special set made that have a small 2.5" diameter spring versus the factory 5" beehive. The upper mounts are being custom made by Craig at Xtreme Innovations which is also where the chromoly coil overs came from.
Second Pic - Forgeline SP3P Wheels for SST. Black with CNC Diamond Cut
Third Pic - Rear Tire/Wheel Combo 18 x 12.5 wheel with Mickey Thompson P345/35R18 Drag Radial tire (The front rims are 18 x 9 with Goodyear 275 F1's)
Fourth Pic - These Wheels were made with the maximum backspace that Dave, Doug and Scott at Forgeline could do.
Fifth Pic - The 345 Drag Radial next to a 235 on my wife's Magnum for scale. Two of these DR's side by side are just a little bit short of a yardstick wide.
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Insane!! And so beautiful at the same time!

Still workin' on it, Bruce, btw...
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