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Old 06-28-2010, 04:55 PM   #120
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RIGHT?! I don't think he'll have to worry about that!

I don't think words describe exactly what this car is going to be. I know I wouldn't be able to wrap my head around it

Hopefully I can find a way to get to where you're going to be.
Thanks. But you will have no problem figuring this one out. Think high stall converter... See you got it !!!

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What are the plans for the rest of the drivetrain? Based on the powerplant descriptions, it would seem it's going to be beefed up . Looks awesome so far!
Tried all possible paths to use the 6L80E but the aftermarket has just not caught up yet plus it really has 2 gears too many for the SST. Mark Bowler built a sick, sick 4L85E for the SST with a billet converter. Rearend will most likely be a fabricated Mod 12 housing with Outlaw Axles. This Mod center can be set up with 12 bolt or 9" center guts. There are pros and cons for both. We will put the down the details about 12 bolt versus 9" but there are a few Camaro specific things to take in to account.

As far as gears, the higher the HP, the less gear you want so we chose to go with 3.31's. Details and pics will follow as we get them installed.
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Old 06-28-2010, 05:08 PM   #121
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Can you say 9" rearend.....LOL
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Yes, but honestly, I wouldn't have a clue what I'm talking about!

I'm learning here. Bruce talked over my head at the Fest, too. I'm really good at nodding and throwing an occasional "Uh huh," in there.
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I don't want to spoil the surprise.... But.... Maybe.... Maybe not.....
The Firebird has a 9" rear with 3.70 gears, Detroit Locker and 35 spline axles, but that is also a straight axle. There are pros and cons to the viability in an IRS.

Have spoken with many aftermarket companies and there are issues. Maybe Tom at Hendrix figures out the 9" - don't know yet.

Have been working with others to this point and it should be getting close...One step at a time. Gotta be patient when pushing the new Camaro stuff. Always seems to take longer than you want. :(
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Old 06-28-2010, 06:09 PM   #122
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I sure hope someone figures out the correct rearend option SOON. Now Bruce, I know you can figure this out, but do it fast....LOL I waiting for it. I am also curious as to what options you have come across for the driveshaft? I know Chris has a 1 piece coming but I have also been told there are issues with the 1 piece at the TO bearing. I like the idea of a solid axle but I also am kinda leaning towards keeping the IRS to stay with the true character of the camaro and working on perfecting the setup for IRS. The whole process of building a new camaro is so exciting but at the same time, very frustrating as you stated, its a very slow process waiting on new designs on what works and what doesnt. I am curious as to what the stock diff will hold as I think I am going to be pushing those limits and hope the new designs arrive in time.
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Old 06-28-2010, 09:48 PM   #124
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OK, Jumping around a little here, but to complete the wheel tub and frame modifications, here are a few more small details plus the tire/wheel combo that will be on the SST when the stock ones aren't. These are a must for any type of race scenario.

First Pic - The vertical orange line is where the upper factory rear subframe mount and coilover pocket will be modified for clearance. This was the test fit with a 335/18 tire we had lying around. The coilovers are a special set made that have a small 2.5" diameter spring versus the factory 5" beehive. The upper mounts are being custom made by Craig at Xtreme Innovations which is also where the chromoly coil overs came from.
Second Pic - Forgeline SP3P Wheels for SST. Black with CNC Diamond Cut
Third Pic - Rear Tire/Wheel Combo 18 x 12.5 wheel with Mickey Thompson P345/35R18 Drag Radial tire (The front rims are 18 x 9 with Goodyear 275 F1's)
Fourth Pic - These Wheels were made with the maximum backspace that Dave, Doug and Scott at Forgeline could do.
Fifth Pic - The 345 Drag Radial next to a 235 on my wife's Magnum for scale. Two of these DR's side by side are just a little bit short of a yardstick wide.
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Old 06-28-2010, 09:51 PM   #125
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Insane!! And so beautiful at the same time!

Still workin' on it, Bruce, btw...
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Old 06-28-2010, 09:57 PM   #126
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I sure hope someone figures out the correct rearend option SOON. Now Bruce, I know you can figure this out, but do it fast....LOL I waiting for it. I am also curious as to what options you have come across for the driveshaft? I know Chris has a 1 piece coming but I have also been told there are issues with the 1 piece at the TO bearing. I like the idea of a solid axle but I also am kinda leaning towards keeping the IRS to stay with the true character of the camaro and working on perfecting the setup for IRS. The whole process of building a new camaro is so exciting but at the same time, very frustrating as you stated, its a very slow process waiting on new designs on what works and what doesnt. I am curious as to what the stock diff will hold as I think I am going to be pushing those limits and hope the new designs arrive in time.

You are right J. It is tough to wait, but when people such as yourself are pushing into uncharted areas. There is a lot of time for the developers to catch up. This is such a new platform. Our drivetrains will differ some in that the SST has a slightly shorter 4L85E. But the rearend and the tranny can both be set to give the correct pinion angle and driveshaft u joint angles. One of the items that may have to be modified is the ebrake. The driveshaft options are out there. 1350 front and rear are a must but in speaking with some companies such as Mark Williams - harmonics, resonance, driveshaft speed and sideloading should NOT be a problem. If it works for Pro Mods and Pro Stocks I think we'll be OK. I have heard both pros and cons for CF shafts so more research needs to be done there.

In the meantime I hope the stock diff holds up well for you. I know someone who has a spool that will fit in there if that becomes an issue.
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Old 06-28-2010, 09:58 PM   #127
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Insane!! And so beautiful at the same time!

Still workin' on it, Bruce, btw...
Thank You Sir. It'll be cool to see some of your ideas.
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Old 06-28-2010, 10:14 PM   #128
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Wiring.

Boy, I bet that title just gets everybody wound up, huh? Kind of like watching paint dry...lol

But seriously, if you have been around boats or aircraft you know that good wiring is paramount and something that just plain needs to be done to preserve integrity and safety. Well for this type of wiring, Dave at Nelson Supercars is the man. To figure out how to integrate three (actually four) completely stand alone computers into one system is genius. Factory ECM, Electromotive TEC3r ECM, Bowler/Compushift Transmission Controller and Aeromotive Fuel Pump Controller.

Anyway, the wiring job is fantastic. Aircraft Connectors and strain reliefs, Indy car high temp sheathing, Raychem heat shrink over new wiring, individual wiring labels and pin outs all integrated with factory connectors. Seamless. Excellent workmanship.

So here is what it all looks like:
First Pic - Aircraft Connectors that interface to new computers
Second Pic - Aircraft Connectors with Strain reliefs and Indy sheathing
Third Pic - Repin/wire and new sheathing Type 1
Fourth Pic - Repin/wire and new sheathing Type 2
Fifth Pic - One of the harnesses intergrating Factory with aftermarket including keeping the stock firewall grommet.
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Old 06-28-2010, 11:26 PM   #129
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damnit! i just spent 12 hours working with aircraft connectors and i get on here to distract me and there here too! nooo!!!

in all honesty though - those old style A/C connectors don't hold their connections through vibrations as well as you'd think.

Project is still looking good though!
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Old 06-29-2010, 07:44 AM   #131
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damnit! i just spent 12 hours working with aircraft connectors and i get on here to distract me and there here too! nooo!!!

in all honesty though - those old style A/C connectors don't hold their connections through vibrations as well as you'd think.

Project is still looking good though!
Ha...you can't get away from your aircraft connectors. They will follow you home.

Anyway, we have used the same ones here that we use on the turbine offshore boats and they have never failed (yet). There may be a newer generation but these are many steps above automotive connectors.
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That makes auto weather pak connectors and wiring look downright cheap.
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Old 06-29-2010, 11:58 AM   #133
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This isn't natural... there has to be some magic being performed in there somewhere... wow.... This is the build of the century; SO glad you chose to do this to a Camaro!! I'll bet the Camaro designers are watching this thread with great interest too.

Awesome; just awesome.
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Old 06-29-2010, 02:20 PM   #134
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That makes auto weather pak connectors and wiring look downright cheap.
I have been around the turbine boats too much where wiring and connectors sometimes get melted. It is a gooey mess... Not too funny when something nearby goes to 600 degrees Celsius in about 3 seconds and the wire sheathing didn't meet spec.

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This isn't natural... there has to be some magic being performed in there somewhere... wow.... This is the build of the century; SO glad you chose to do this to a Camaro!! I'll bet the Camaro designers are watching this thread with great interest too.

Awesome; just awesome.
Thanks Doc. I think your Blue Angel is such a cool build so that means a lot coming from you.
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Ha...you can't get away from your aircraft connectors. They will follow you home.

Anyway, we have used the same ones here that we use on the turbine offshore boats and they have never failed (yet). There may be a newer generation but these are many steps above automotive connectors.

most of ours are sadly 40-50 yrs old...so that may be a problem but twist locks in general usually hold a good connection. good luck on the rest!
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most of ours are sadly 40-50 yrs old...so that may be a problem but twist locks in general usually hold a good connection. good luck on the rest!

I think a twist-lock on a beer would be a good thing...
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