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Old 06-13-2010, 09:49 AM   #1
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Fi v6 issues

Me and a co worker have been talking about this. Why can imports like Honda, and hyundai make awsome v6 cars and also easly have turbo kits available for them but us american made can't get it right or make a v6 motor like they can.
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Old 06-13-2010, 09:59 AM   #2
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With this V6 I believe they (General Motors)did build a great engine. At the same time you got to remember most Asian Company's have been building small engines for a lot longer time. So they tend to have a little bit of a head start on most American car builders. The American public believe's bigger is better so the car builders have just built the tried and true v8's.
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Old 06-13-2010, 01:18 PM   #3
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We wanted the best of both worlds. We want the mileage of the v6 and power of the v8.
The 1967 SS/396 Camaro was clocked at 14.5 by Motor Trend. What are those here putting down?
I think GM did a great job with this motor and we're still looking for more. That is the way we do things. It'll be worked out.
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Old 06-13-2010, 02:20 PM   #4
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I THINK THEY DID A GREAT JOB ON THE NEW V6 ,I'M JUST SAD THAT WITH ALL THE IMPORTS OUT CHEVY SHOULD OF KNOWN THAT PEOPLE WANTed A CAR That's mod able ,,they must of not wanted people to just bye V6's
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Me and a co worker have been talking about this. Why can imports like Honda, and hyundai make awsome v6 cars and also easly have turbo kits available for them but us american made can't get it right or make a v6 motor like they can.
Actually -- the American's CAN make an awesome V6, 4-cylinder, V8, V10...whatever! (We make a killer Diesel, too )

Wards is a premiere automotive publication, and every year they announce their "10 best engines list". This list considers EVERY engine in the industry (so far as I know)...anyways the Camaro's V6 is right up there, and actually bumped nissan's "VQ" engine off the list.

As far as turbos....there are a bunch of reasons...from the difficulty in tuning this engine to a limited market...plus there's the SS being offered (a vehicle of a caliber most foreign makers don't produce....) which steals most of the people that would be interested in a power-adder.
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Actually -- the American's CAN make an awesome V6, 4-cylinder, V8, V10...whatever! (We make a killer Diesel, too )

Wards is a premiere automotive publication, and every year they announce their "10 best engines list". This list considers EVERY engine in the industry (so far as I know)...anyways the Camaro's V6 is right up there, and actually bumped nissan's "VQ" engine off the list.

As far as turbos....there are a bunch of reasons...from the difficulty in tuning this engine to a limited market...plus there's the SS being offered (a vehicle of a caliber most foreign makers don't produce....) which steals most of the people that would be interested in a power-adder.
Agreed I have a v6 - though small mods just for sound (like cai) are fun if power was a concern the SS would be a fare cheaper way to get it vs moding a v6.
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Me and a co worker have been talking about this. Why can imports like Honda, and hyundai make awsome v6 cars and also easly have turbo kits available for them but us american made can't get it right or make a v6 motor like they can.
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I can't think of any hondas or hyundai's off the top of my head with a v6 and turbo...
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Well the 2.0 is a 4 banger. Didn't know there was a turbo out for their v6. Interesting
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Me and a co worker have been talking about this. Why can imports like Honda, and hyundai make awsome v6 cars and also easly have turbo kits available for them but us american made can't get it right or make a v6 motor like they can.

keep in mind that the v6 is the base engine option for this car.

for imports, their v6's are the top end engine.

that mixed with the "normally less than profitable" aftermarket for v6's, its going to take a little bit for the aftermarket to get into full swing behind this motor.

the LS3/L99 engine architecture has been around for over a decade now. this new v6 is still young. just give it some time
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Old 06-15-2010, 10:36 AM   #12
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The problem is that companies stupidly want to invest only in the top available trim levels. They find that investement in the SS, GT, Si, or whatever else is out there has been profitable. What they frequently overlook is that the people with lower trims are more numerous and more motivated to step up to that level of performance.

If you only invest in top trim levels, then you tend to invest in 6-cylinder imports and 8-cylinder domestics. Imports from Asia don't make many V8s. European companies usually make products with luxury in mind, so performance is not as important to buyers. People who really want a fast luxury car can afford the expensive higher trims, like M5s, and don't need to modify them much to get a lot of speed.

Companies have announced an intention to make V6 forced induction parts, but no one seems to be willing to follow through in a reasonable amount of time. I have a lot of trouble believing the excuses that it was somehow easier to tune the V8 or that the V8 features were easier to figure out because this happens on every single car. The top trim gets stuff first because companies think that they'll make more money out of a smaller market. It never makes sense, but it is the way these guys will keep operating, so we have to be patient.
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Old 06-15-2010, 07:30 PM   #13
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Companies have announced an intention to make V6 forced induction parts, but no one seems to be willing to follow through in a reasonable amount of time. I have a lot of trouble believing the excuses that it was somehow easier to tune the V8 or that the V8 features were easier to figure out because this happens on every single car. The top trim gets stuff first because companies think that they'll make more money out of a smaller market. It never makes sense, but it is the way these guys will keep operating, so we have to be patient.

well, in this particular instance, the LS engine design has been out for quite some time. changing the routing of a couple primary tubes on a set of headers (originally made for say... an LS2) is a lot easier than designing new ones for a v6.

aaaaaaaaaaand... how much more business do you think the companies are getting when the cars with their parts are the ones that are setting the records.

either way, I want to see some serious mods for the v6 come out
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I THINK THEY DID A GREAT JOB ON THE NEW V6 ,I'M JUST SAD THAT WITH ALL THE IMPORTS OUT CHEVY SHOULD OF KNOWN THAT PEOPLE WANTed A CAR That's mod able ,,they must of not wanted people to just bye V6's
Are you kidding? Before you know it there will be all kinds of power adders for this engine. Give it time. It hasn't been in existence very long. Good things happen for those that wait.
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not the case with Hyundai genesis 2.0 and V6 I'm seeing turbo up grade kits out for there 2.0 claiming 400 HP and the V6 is the high model...support is all were missing right now!!
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From what Im getting the idea of is GM made this v6 motor to the limit of what it is suppose do with not turbo or anything like that. So this car cant do much more safely with ad-dons.

You take most any v6 import motor and you can throw so many after market parts at it tune to DI it bla bla bla. what ever you want to do to it and make it a beast and something that is your won.

So off the shelf stock the v6 import motors are at the low end of there potential and the camaro motor is at the top end of its potential.

And the comments of imports have been making v6 motors longer, not really true, americans made the first v6 motor and inline 6 also, and even if that is true that they have been I bet there are some engineers from the import companies that now work for GM.

Personally I feel that GM made this car with the v6 not really able to be upgraded so it would boost the sales of the v8 cars for people that want to mod there car so they will get more people buying higher dollar cars.
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From what Im getting the idea of is GM made this v6 motor to the limit of what it is suppose do with not turbo or anything like that. So this car cant do much more safely with ad-dons.
Where is this information coming from?
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Where is this information coming from?
It does seem strange that everyone is having trouble cracking the box, it's almost by design
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Info comming from no one has done any upgrades and every company they trys to crack the box says the same thing. There is not much to be done GM pretty much gave everything when they built this.
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I used to have an 06 MazdaSpeed 6 which had DI and a turbo. I wanted to mod that car as well but no one seemed to be interested at the time, as it wasn't a huge production car and even the people that did mod theirs or went with a bigger turbo, no one could get the tune right. I assume because of the DI engines, they are having a hard time getting the tune just right.
I know LPE has been working on their V6 car but the DI tune is tricky and they obviously want it right before they release anything. Last time I was their, a few months ago, they were swamped with some many vettes and camaros there that it is amazing they can work on anything new. I know they did a great job with my car and I am glad they are working on the V6, hopefully they will have it done sooner, than later. It would be nice to see some FI V6 power out there as well!!
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