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Old 06-16-2010, 03:41 PM   #1
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Okay FI crowd...convince me to drop a blower on my car instead of a cam.....

Okay....I'm coming down to the wire here on the next upgrade.

I've been going back and forth between a blower and a cam swap. After having multiple cam cars, I know what to expect...both good and bad.

I want to hear from the supercharged crowd about their rides....good and bad, to steer me towards a blower.

Thanks much!
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Old 06-16-2010, 03:44 PM   #2
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Why not do the cam first and then the F.I. thats the way im going for maximum bang! ;-)
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Old 06-16-2010, 03:51 PM   #3
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I have the 2.8H Kenne Bell kit and it makes just a little under 7.5 psi. The blower is visually appealing, it sounds great, and it is made with top quality parts.

Driving is much more enjoyable with their kit installed. You can drive around at very light throttle and it feels tame (the exhaust just sounds better) but you can also feel the extra power.

Every degree further that you press the gas pedal offers more power and at WOT the car feels crisp and strong.

As everyone says, gas mileage really depends on the way you drive. If you drive around very conservatively, you will not notice too much of a difference.

I don't see any negative to owning a supercharger. Heat is not an issue. In fact, my car's coolant temps run lower than they did when the car was stock. And I drive around in 110* F weather -- stop and go traffic.

I just think the extra power, the sound, and the look of their kit makes my driving experience better on a daily basis. I'm very proud to own one of their systems.
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Why not do the cam first and then the F.I. thats the way im going for maximum bang! ;-)
The cams I'm looking at more than likely would not play nice with a FI setup! It's going to be one or other, not both...it is a good idea though, just can't get the wife on board with it!

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I have the 2.8H Kenne Bell kit and it makes just a little under 7.5 psi. The blower is visually appealing, it sounds great, and it is made with top quality parts.

Driving is much more enjoyable with their kit installed. You can drive around at very light throttle and it feels tame (the exhaust just sounds better) but you can also feel the extra power.

Every degree further that you press the gas pedal offers more power and at WOT the car feels crisp and strong.

As everyone says, gas mileage really depends on the way you drive. If you drive around very conservatively, you will not notice too much of a difference.

I just think the extra power, the sound, and the look of their kit makes my driving experience better on a daily basis. I'm very proud to own one of their systems.
Thanks for the excellent feedback
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Old 06-16-2010, 04:00 PM   #5
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You're welcome. Now, go get boosted.
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Old 06-16-2010, 04:05 PM   #6
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You're welcome. Now, go get boosted.
I've already contacted Edelbrock with regards to their E Force set up as well as Magnacharger. The only wrinkle I have is the 1 7/8 longtubes & the CAI which looks as if it will require a different pulley as well as a custom tune.
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Old 06-16-2010, 04:38 PM   #7
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you may also want to look at the Harrop HTV1900, here is a link to a good thread:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...ghlight=hARROP

do a search for it and you can find alot more info, with your current setup, the Harrop kit will put you over 600 RWHP!

let me know if I can answer any questions,
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I've already contacted Edelbrock with regards to their E Force set up as well as Magnacharger. The only wrinkle I have is the 1 7/8 longtubes & the CAI which looks as if it will require a different pulley as well as a custom tune.
I don't think you would necessarily need a different pulley. It depends on how much boost you want and your power goals. You would need a different tune with the headers. But there's some really good tuners out there.

Another option is selling your longtubes if you want to stick with a canned tune from the blower manufacturer of your choice. Did you keep your OEM exhaust manifolds? It probably wouldn't be that much more expensive to have whoever installs your blower to switch out your LT's for the stock manifolds.
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you may also want to look at the Harrop HTV1900, here is a link to a good thread:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...ghlight=hARROP

do a search for it and you can find alot more info, with your current setup, the Harrop kit will put you over 600 RWHP!

let me know if I can answer any questions,
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Thanks for the info....more to research now!

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I don't think you would necessarily need a different pulley. It depends on how much boost you want and your power goals. You would need a different tune with the headers. But there's some really good tuners out there.

Another option is selling your longtubes if you want to stick with a canned tune from the blower manufacturer of your choice. Did you keep your OEM exhaust manifolds? It probably wouldn't be that much more expensive to have whoever installs your blower to switch out your LT's for the stock manifolds.
The longtubes cuase a drop off in the 5 psi boost level of the OEM kit...because of that, you need a different pulley to get the psi back up to 5. Otherwise you'll be pushing less boost!

To this point, every part on the car has been put on by me....the supercharger would be no different...but it will have to visit a tuner to get everything dialed in! Pulling off the longtubes isn't an option, I the sound and power gains they bring!!!
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Old 06-16-2010, 05:27 PM   #10
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Here is the best reason to go with some form of FI:
A good heads/cam set-up will get you to 500whp. After 500 you will want 600, trust me on this one. Most H/C combos don't play well with FI so you are now left with nitrous, or pulling the H/C to get the CR back up. Put the H/C $ towards a clutch a go FI from the get go.
There are a lot of people pulling H/C combos to go FI. In contrast you don't see many people pulling bowers or turbos off to put a monster cam in, lose 100+whp and sacrifice their off-idle drivability.
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Old 06-16-2010, 05:53 PM   #11
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i have kb also...very stealth until you wot. than all hell breaks loose.. with lts and a good tune - ls3 easily will surpass the 600 rwhp.. only real problem you will have than is possible fuel pressure, clutch{ls3} , axles ,cv joints, tires, speeding tickets and staying out of the throttle.. did i mention tires....good luck...oh ,did i mention tires
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Old 06-16-2010, 05:56 PM   #12
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Old 06-16-2010, 05:57 PM   #13
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Head/cam ss-need a great launch plus converter and tires to go 11s and the whole world will know ur chopping

supercharged ss-street tire 11 sec car-no lope stealthy as hell but there is heat issues-retain stock like drivability and trap 120s

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Old 06-16-2010, 06:12 PM   #14
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Here is a dyno comparing a 2010 LS3 w/ ARH 1 7/8 Headers, Intake and exhaust with a LG G6X3 camshaft and with a 2010 LS3 with same headers and exhaust and a Vortech Si Supercharger with 3.33" SC pulley. Both cars were tuned by us.

The dips on the supercharger run is my Tach leads from the Dyno. Sometimes they are a thorn in my side

Run 15 is the LG G6X3 Camshaft and run 12 is the Vortech.

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Old 06-16-2010, 06:28 PM   #15
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I have headers also and when I ordered my maggie I had them put the 3.6 pulley on at the factory instead of the 3.8 6psi pulley. There was no charge for the pulley swap and got my boost back. Haven't put it on yet just sharing some info.
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Old 06-16-2010, 06:29 PM   #16
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supercharger if you want power.. for bad ass sound go cam..

I got just vortech and 2" headers and I made 598wHP and holds it to 6650 redline
my dad with just vortech and 1 7/8 headers on a L99 Auto ran a 11.8 @ 120 on stock pirelli street tires
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The longtubes cuase a drop off in the 5 psi boost level of the OEM kit...because of that, you need a different pulley to get the psi back up to 5. Otherwise you'll be pushing less boost.
That isn't necessarily a bad thing. Yes you do lose boost pressure but you're still making the HP plus some. Boost is just a measure of backpressure. The OEM pulley is still spinning the blower at the same speed, thus pushing the same amount of air through the engine. It's just doing it more effieciently now.
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Old 06-16-2010, 07:13 PM   #21
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Built several different blown chevys. Gotta go different. Twin turbo and cam.
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The cam im running will do fine with F/I and its a very healthy cam. IDK what people mean when they say it wouldnt play nice. I have a pretty radical setup 236/244 .602/.612 on a 112LSA. no need for an LSXR (Overpriced) intake ;-)

Mine will be boosted with this setup someday soon.

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Typiclly a 112 LSA is not as efficient compared to a 116LSA cam when running boost.
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Old 06-16-2010, 09:57 PM   #24
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Lsa doesn't mean nothin when it comes to FI it's all in the lift and intake exhaust duration...I'm running a 224/236 113lsa on a single 72mm turbo..nice lope and no bleeding of boost..It's your choice everyone has maggies and KB or PC or vortech I went a custom route and built me a single turbo kit for the g8 ..Diffrent strokes for diffrent folks
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Do both the cam and the blower. You only live once. A nice blower friendly cam can give you the mean sounding idle (if you keep the idle speed down) you want. If you use the roots blowers or twin screws, the blower will boost power from just above idle all the way up. No "soft" low end like you'd have with just with a big/lumpy n/a cam. Those big n/a cams kill your drivability and fuel eco too.

I used the Maggie TVS2300 on my build. Probably the easiest DIY kit out there (excellent instructions). It's very capable of doing 600 with just headers and CAI .....or more if you add the cam and pulley down a bit. Mine's at 670+rwhp with a 2.9" pulley. You're going to have to pin the crank either way. Not much more trouble to change the cam while you're down there.

LS3 with Maggie, CAI, blower cam, and good flowing exhaust will motivate your ride as fast as you want to go. Might be a little hard on the rest of the car though.....You'll need more than just blower and cam for upgrades if you go this route. But, as mentioned earlier, you only live once!
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