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Old 02-28-2012, 07:19 PM   #76
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Kronix answered one question I had; where are the adjusters on the xa coilovers. I see the fronts, very easy to get to, how easy are the rears to access?
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Old 02-28-2012, 07:58 PM   #77
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Kronix answered one question I had; where are the adjusters on the xa coilovers. I see the fronts, very easy to get to, how easy are the rears to access?
Not as easy as the fronts, but not hard. I have a video to post up showing how to do it. I'll shoot for tomorrow.
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Nat as easy as the fronts, but not hard. I have a video to post up showing how to do it. I'll shoot for tomorrow.
Thanks, I'm getting ready to make a decision between Pedders and that other company..and they're back ordered!
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Thanks, I'm getting ready to make a decision between Pedders and that other company..and they're back ordered!
Shouldn't even be a tough choice llcamaro! From a customer service standpoint alone, Pedders delivers top notch service. Pete's always been there when I had a question, responding either via email or phone call ASAP. Not many Presidents of companies do that, but it seems the norm at Pedders. Do you think the President of that "other" company is going to call you if you have an issue? I doubt it...Not to mention their product is awesome, and the choice of many professional racers, top shops around the globe and heck, I even saw Pete on TV with West Coast Customs!
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I even saw Pete on TV with West Coast Customs!
and your TV still works? mine broke when he came on.....
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and your TV still works? mine broke when he came on.....
Come on Rob, I was trying to butter him up and then ask him for a job!
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Old 02-28-2012, 11:14 PM   #82
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Shouldn't even be a tough choice llcamaro! From a customer service standpoint alone, Pedders delivers top notch service. Pete's always been there when I had a question, responding either via email or phone call ASAP. Not many Presidents of companies do that, but it seems the norm at Pedders. Do you think the President of that "other" company is going to call you if you have an issue? I doubt it...Not to mention their product is awesome, and the choice of many professional racers, top shops around the globe and heck, I even saw Pete on TV with West Coast Customs!
Thanks, I have seen many testimonials to Pete and the company in the short time I've been a member here. I also saw Pete on the WCC show! I have no doubt I'll be getting a great product if I go with Pedders. I have a number of friends running Pfadt's on their Corvettes and it is also a great product. Choices!
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Thanks, I have seen many testimonials to Pete and the company in the short time I've been a member here. I also saw Pete on the WCC show! I have no doubt I'll be getting a great product if I go with Pedders. I have a number of friends running Brand-X on their Corvettes and it is also a great product. Choices!
































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Pete, why does your pace car package include this notice? Just noticed the ZL1 pace car package does not have the warning???

GMPP Note: This product is intended for use on racing and / or off road vehicles and is not authorized for use on street vehicles
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Pete, why does your pace car package include this notice? GMPP Note: This product is intended for use on racing and / or off road vehicles and is not authorized for use on street vehicles
Lawyer language from GM corporate to protect them and us from people doing foolish things on the street.

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Old 03-01-2012, 07:25 PM   #88
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Thanks Pete...Any reason not to buy the ZL1 package if I was already convinced to buy the pace car package?
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Shouldn't even be a tough choice llcamaro! From a customer service standpoint alone, Pedders delivers top notch service. Pete's always been there when I had a question, responding either via email or phone call ASAP. Not many Presidents of companies do that, but it seems the norm at Pedders. Do you think the President of that "other" company is going to call you if you have an issue? I doubt it...Not to mention their product is awesome, and the choice of many professional racers, top shops around the globe and heck, I even saw Pete on TV with West Coast Customs!
Precisely why I went with Pedders XA's!
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How much of the OP applies to the 2LT (frame structure obviously), or is this SS mainly?


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How much of the OP applies to the 2LT (frame structure obviously), or is this SS mainly?
Structurally, all of it.
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Thanks Pete...Any reason not to buy the ZL1 package if I was already convinced to buy the pace car package?
About 100 dollars would the the only reason. The improved sway bar geometry is worth every penny.
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About 100 dollars would the the only reason. The improved sway bar geometry is worth every penny.
Thanks, I'm sold. Just waiting for my ship to come in, which looks like a couple weeks maybe sooner....or I could just....If I buy now and intercept the delivery before my wife see's it......I may live through the experience!
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OEM ZL1 Toe Links

The Camaro TEAM has made so many improvements to the ZL1 it is hard to keep track of them. It is good to see that the Camaro TEAM is following Pedders advice in the IRS. They have improved the sub-frame bushes, more on this in a later post, and addressed the compliance in the Toe Links.

The steel ferule bonded rubber bush that has been and is used on all other models was too compliant. To address this the ZL1 comes with new bushes.





These are are larger steel jacketed bushes with rubber encapsulated rose joints similar to those used in the hub where the rear upper and lower control arms bolt up. They are similar to Heim joints or spherical bearings in function, but encapsulated in rubber will provide years and years of quiet operation as they are protected from dirt and debris. You could call this the Super Duty 5th Gen Toe Link

The bad news for us at Pedders and other aftermarket companies is the new arms are too good If you have a ZL1 coming you will not need Pedders toe link bushes. If your 5th Gen isn't a ZL1, the new toe links are available as an upgrade from your local Chevrolet Dealer P/N 22845487
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The Camaro TEAM has made so many improvements to the ZL1 it is hard to keep track of them. It is good to see that the Camaro TEAM is following Pedders advice in the IRS. They have improved the sub-frame bushes, more on this in a later post, and addressed the compliance in the Toe Links.

The steel ferule bonded rubber bush that has been and is used on all other models was too compliant. To address this the ZL1 comes with new bushes.





These are are larger steel jacketed bushes with rubber encapsulated rose joints similar to those used in the hub where the rear upper and lower control arms bolt up. They are similar to Heim joints or spherical bearings in function, but encapsulated in rubber will provide years and years of quiet operation as they are protected from dirt and debris. You could call this the Super Duty 5th Gen Toe Link

The bad news for us at Pedders and other aftermarket companies is the new arms are too good If you have a ZL1 coming you will not need Pedders toe link bushes. If your 5th Gen isn't a ZL1, the new toe links are available as an upgrade from your local Chevrolet Dealer P/N 22845487
Thanks, Pete, even for the bad news for Pedders (regarding some ZL1-parts sales). It means a lot, to a person like me, to share this information, and making it so easy to find the OEM part that could take some sales away... :( It shows me how much you respect me as a potential customer and I think is a small insight to how Pedders does business.

I'm looking forward to more information, because I'm sure that there's more improvements than can be made for a person like me I know the rear cradle bushings were improved, but I really want something solid and at least a poly', so I don't really have to worry about it anymore. Unless they have a semi-solid bushing for the rest of the rear, I'm still looking for poly' replacements - not inserts. I want that IRS as planted as possible. What good is it if it's not?

I'm very much looking forward to your input on the rest of the information
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Spring Section Update:

Video: Birth of a Lowering Spring: Inside Pedders Suspension
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Birth of a Lowering Spring: Inside Pedders Suspension



Pedders Suspension is a brand that might be familiar to enthusiasts of the domestic aftermarket. For more than six years, Pedders has offered suspension components for Chevy Camaros, Ford Mustangs and Pontiac GTOs. What most don’t know is that the company is far from an upstart in the chassis game. Pedders Suspension has been in business in their home country of Australia for over 60 years, starting back in the mid-1950s rebuilding shock absorbers.

Headquartered in Keysborough, just outside of Melbourne in the state of Victoria, Pedders Suspension has a unique business model for their domestic market. Their products are distributed solely through franchised Pedders Suspension retailers, of which there are over 130 in Australia. Think Jiffy Lube, but for suspension needs that range from the inspection and alignment all the way to polyurethane bushings and coilover swaps.

Here in the U.S., Pedders’ business model is completely different, utilizing a more traditional distribution route. In their short time in the American market, Pedders’ products have been used by GM, Lingenfelter and Saleen. Pedders sells the gamut of chassis components, including coilovers, polyurethane bushings and CV shafts, but their core product is springs. In fact, Pedders likes to refer to their manufacturing facility as the “World’s Best Spring Plant.” While that’s up for interpretation, having witnessed the birth of a spring, firsthand, we can attest that quality is very much at the core of their values.



Here’s how Pedders Suspension springs are made:

Birth of a Pedders Spring - Step1

Step 1:
Pedders’ springs begin life as steel from BlueScope Steel, an Aussie company headquartered in Melbourne. Instead of sourcing cheaper materials from China or India, Pedders insists upon using steel that is ISO accredited.

Birth of a Lowering Spring: Inside Pedders Suspension - Step 2



Step 2:
For heating of the metal rods, Pedders relies on gas instead of electricity. With the latter, dips and irregularity in power can cause inconsistencies in the metal. Each rod is baked close to 980 degrees C.

Birth of a Lowering Spring: Inside Pedders Suspension - Step 3



Step 3:
After the steel is heated up to temperature, the glowing rod is then coiled around a mandrel. The solid steel mandrel does not flex or bow with repetitive use. Pedders has more than 100 different steel mandrels in varying shapes and sizes for varying applications.

Birth of a Lowering Spring: Inside Pedders Suspension - Step 4



Step 4:
The next stage in the spring production is quenching, a process in which the hot coiled steel is cooled by oil. The spring is still soft at this point, lacking any memory.

Birth of a Lowering Spring: Inside Pedders Suspension - Step 5



Step 5:
Once the spring is cooled, it goes back into the tempering furnace where the coils are cured. Temperatures are adjusted to suit the gauge of the wire—the thicker, the hotter.

Birth of a Lowering Spring: Inside Pedders Suspension - Step 6



Step 6:
After another cooling phase, each spring is ground to appropriate size and fitment.

Birth of a Lowering Spring: Inside Pedders Suspension - Step 7




Step 7:
For the final step in strengthening the steel, each spring is shot peened with military grade shot.

Birth of a Lowering Spring: Inside Pedders Suspension - Step 8



Step 8:
Pedders scrags 100 percent of their springs. Scragging is a quality-control process where each spring is fully compressed, testing its load for up to 2 mm in variance.

Birth of a Lowering Spring: Inside Pedders Suspension - Step 9



Step 9:
Before they are boxed and shipped around the world, the springs are powder coated. Powder coating gives a spring its brand-distinctive color and protects it from the elements.
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Very cool Pete, seeing how the springs are made!
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Pedders R & D on the 5th Gen never ends. This week we ran at Road America with our friends from the OPTIMA Challenge. We got great data and great results. I want to than Mike Copeland, his wife and our driver Danny Popp for a great day! We spent the weekend testing with the Lingefelter L/28. The results were impressive and we got great data. The L/28 was brutally fast. We are going to make a few tweaks based on our data along with tire temps and input from our driver Danny Popp.

Videos from all Three Optima Events

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Data Points

Steady State Average Gs Across the Events and Lap Sectors 1.2 Gs. That is the AVERAGE. The theoretical limit on a street tire is 1.3Gs. we saw that number and then some across the events.
Top Speed on a Short Straight at Road America 148 MPH. That is screaming on the short straight.

Danny is extremely fast behind the wheel. His driving style is very aggressive. We found the front setup with -2.2 degrees of camber and caster adjustment maxed out to be virtually perfect. The tire temperatures inside to out were very even. The LPE motor puts down 590 at the rear wheels. Danny's style along with 590 all motor normally aspirated RWHP were roasting the inside of our rear tires. We'll dial down the rear camber to help Danny put down more power coming out of the turns. We have a few other tweaks in mind that we will share with the C5 community as soon as we test and get good data.

If the L/28 were a street car and not a street car wants to be a race car driven by a hot shoe we would leave the setup almost exactly as it is. Our intent is to still be a street car want to be a race car with even more bad attitude.

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To drive a 5th Gen fast you want stability and predictability in your handling. That starts at the foundational level with bushes. We want the arms to articulate freely, but within a tighter operational range. The amount of lateral movement in the 5th Gen lower rear arm with OE bushes and even with Pedders bushes is to great when you are looking for 1/10th or a 100th in a corner. We'll be testing this banded thrust bearing system this weekend. It is going to shift the load and our testing is designed to find out where ans what if anything we break on the Raymond's Performance Camaro and the L/28. Our best guess is that the arm will fatigue and we'll need to replace the lower control arms frequently. If that is all that we find, swapping out lower controls arms will cost less than the fluid changes between events. The track is not forgiving, it will tell us we are brilliant or idiots this weekend.





While we are on the subject of lower control arms, here is a how to on removal of the OEM lower inner control arm bush.



The OEM rear trailing arm bush is great for driving in the 8/10ths range. Pushed to 10/10ths or 11/10ths it allows too much movement creating instability. Installing a steel jacketed bush into the knuckle position requires it be removed from the car. Once off the car, the installation is straight forward. The increase in stability is enormous. You can see why in these pictures and the video.








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