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Old 07-17-2010, 09:34 AM   #1
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Help needed with Twin Turbo's set up

Hello, I have a 2010 SS Camaro 2SS RS Manual. That I am looking to put twin Turbos on. I really like Granatelli twin turbo kit the most. Does anyone have any thoughts on this kit besides what is posted?

1. My main question is what should be done to the motor before installing this kit?
2. I would like to buy different heads. What heads are recommended for a twin turbo kit trying to make about 600RWHP to 700RWHP?
3. I already have a FAST Ls3 102mm intake manifold, will this help make more HP with twins or no? "still havent installed"
4. What exhaust would you recommend with Twins? "Sound & performance"

This is a great site. Ive been reading in all the forums scents I got my Camaro, waiting & wanting to do things to it ever scents. My only problem is im only home 30 days outa the year.
Due to the fact that I am a privet contractor in Bagram Afghanistan, and uncle Sam will have his way with me "or my check" if I am home more then 30 days outa the hole year.

Any help would be very much appreciated to all.

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Old 07-17-2010, 09:55 AM   #2
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Hello, I have a 2010 SS Camaro 2SS RS Manual. That I am looking to put twin Turbos on. I really like Granatelli twin turbo kit the most. Does anyone have any thoughts on this kit besides what is posted?

1. My main question is what should be done to the motor before installing this kit?
2. I would like to buy different heads. What heads are recommended for a twin turbo kit trying to make about 600RWHP to 700RWHP?
3. I already have a FAST Ls3 102mm intake manifold, will this help make more HP with twins or no? "still havent installed"
4. What exhaust would you recommend with Twins? "Sound & performance"

This is a great site. Ive been reading in all the forums scents I got my Camaro, waiting & wanting to do things to it ever scents. My only problem is im only home 30 days outa the year.
Due to the fact that I am a privet contractor in Bagram Afghanistan, and uncle Sam will have his way with me "or my check" if I am home more then 30 days outa the hole year.

Any help would be very much appreciated to all.

Thanks in advance....

Simply stated - you need nothing but the turbo kit to make 600 rwhp. The FAST manifold is worth 23 to 25hp on the N/A motor but once the turbos go pressure it makes up for what ever is in its way.

HEADS - while you do not needs aftermarket heads to make the power you want, certainly better heads helps the motor to breath and that means more power with less boost required.

Granatelli offers CNC ported heads on exchange as do many other companies out there. My personal favorite heads right now are the LSX LS7 heads. However it will require you exchange your manifold for the LS7 port version

really all you need is the TT kit to make 600rwhp.

700 rwhp - I would say you need to seriously consider our short block with all forged internals.

We are happy to go over a complete program with you. 805-486-6644
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Hello, I have a 2010 SS Camaro 2SS RS Manual. That I am looking to put twin Turbos on. I really like Granatelli twin turbo kit the most. Does anyone have any thoughts on this kit besides what is posted?

1. My main question is what should be done to the motor before installing this kit?
2. I would like to buy different heads. What heads are recommended for a twin turbo kit trying to make about 600RWHP to 700RWHP?
3. I already have a FAST Ls3 102mm intake manifold, will this help make more HP with twins or no? "still havent installed"
4. What exhaust would you recommend with Twins? "Sound & performance"
1.) Nothing NEEDS to be done. Anything extra is just gravy.
2.) Better heads are not NEEDED. See #1
3.) Bigger plenum is almost always better in a FI situation.
4.) Exhaust is preference. I'd stay stock for now and see how you like the sound. If you want more, look around.
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Hello, I have a 2010 SS Camaro 2SS RS Manual. That I am looking to put twin Turbos on. I really like Granatelli twin turbo kit the most. Does anyone have any thoughts on this kit besides what is posted?
Congrats with your choice. Don't forget the company who manufactures this kit has years of Turbo kit development experience.
if you look at post #15, you'll see I posted their kit for Corvette, just to illustrate their work.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64335

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p.s. BTW, the default font used for this site is pretty good.

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Simply stated - you need nothing but the turbo kit to make 600 rwhp. The FAST manifold is worth 23 to 25hp on the N/A motor but once the turbos go pressure it makes up for what ever is in its way.

HEADS - while you do not needs aftermarket heads to make the power you want, certainly better heads helps the motor to breath and that means more power with less boost required.

Granatelli offers CNC ported heads on exchange as do many other companies out there. My personal favorite heads right now are the LSX LS7 heads. However it will require you exchange your manifold for the LS7 port version

really all you need is the TT kit to make 600rwhp.

700 rwhp - I would say you need to seriously consider our short block with all forged internals.

We are happy to go over a complete program with you. 805-486-6644
Well I didnt know that... Thank you very much for the info. I will be giving you a call shortly. Thanks everyone for your input.
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Congrats with your choice. Don't forget the company who manufactures this kit has years of Turbo kit development experience.
if you look at post #15, you'll see I posted their kit for Corvette, just to illustrate their work. http://www.camaro5.com/forums
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Good luck

p.s. BTW, the default font used for this site is pretty good.
I dont know if its my limited access on the base here or what, but I cant see the thread you are talking about here.

And I didnt change anything on the font. Maybe because I used my email to type it up before paisting it here.

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I dont know if its my limited access on the base here or what, but I cant see the thread you are talking about here.

And I didnt change anything on the font. Maybe because I used my email to type it up before paisting it here.

Thanks again.
I just fixed the link. Try clicking on the link on my post again.

Very likely the fonts came from your email program. As you can see your original post had a different Font and Size embedded, where as your new posts had used the default.
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Old 07-17-2010, 01:31 PM   #8
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Making how much power you are shooting for, you are going to want a 3" exhaust. 3" would be unnecessary for under about 500rwhp, but will help with gains in the power department you are going for. Heads will help breathing, like others have said and give some power. The main thing I would do is upgrade my drivetrain, because it isn't made to handle that much power.
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I have been runing TT's on my Vette for 8 years now. My 2 cents would be to get rid of the pistons, then rods and crank if you can afford. Buy the pistons and rings specifically for forced induction as they can handle the increased temps and pressures much better that factory NA parts can. Plus, you can lower the CR somewhat to gain in tuning and combustion chamber volume for even more added power. Granatelli can advise accordingly. Forging the short block can only help and not hurt IMHO. One last thing is that turbos do not need "rock and roll" cams that NA motors do. Granatelli, jump in here and comment. Good luck Turbos rule.
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Having Twin Turbo is like being with two women at the same time....
OMG I wanna be that guy again!!

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I have been runing TT's on my Vette for 8 years now. My 2 cents would be to get rid of the pistons, then rods and crank if you can afford. Buy the pistons and rings specifically for forced induction as they can handle the increased temps and pressures much better that factory NA parts can. Plus, you can lower the CR somewhat to gain in tuning and combustion chamber volume for even more added power. Granatelli can advise accordingly. Forging the short block can only help and not hurt IMHO. One last thing is that turbos do not need "rock and roll" cams that NA motors do. Granatelli, jump in here and comment. Good luck Turbos rule.
8 years now huh? whats the HP your putting out? Ive had a turboed 98 v-6 S-10 "witch I blew up twice" but after the 3rd time I had a local shop build it. I never got it Dyno'ed but from what Ive experienced Im thinking I really need to have a short block built, and go ahead and get the LS7 heads. I think spending the money and building a more dependable motor will be a better long term investment. Hell I may have to go over my 700RWHP mark I was shooting for.....

I will be getting with Granatelli soon as I go home, to hopefully get a full Motor & Turbo's setup installed.

This might be a stupid question but, Granatelli does everything in house right? Do you guys have a Dyno also? And what is the turn around time on working a motor and installing turbos?
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OMG I wanna be that guy again!!
You will! You will!
BTW, what do you mean "again"? I guess we have at some point of our lives, but it's nice to do it again.
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I have a twin turbo setup and run Corsa for exhaust....it works great! I love my TT, you'll love it!!!
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I have been runing TT's on my Vette for 8 years now. My 2 cents would be to get rid of the pistons, then rods and crank if you can afford. Buy the pistons and rings specifically for forced induction as they can handle the increased temps and pressures much better that factory NA parts can. Plus, you can lower the CR somewhat to gain in tuning and combustion chamber volume for even more added power. Granatelli can advise accordingly. Forging the short block can only help and not hurt IMHO. One last thing is that turbos do not need "rock and roll" cams that NA motors do. Granatelli, jump in here and comment. Good luck Turbos rule.
I agree 101% - that is why I always say keep the stock cams. Also tghe crank is not that bad but if you do the pistons, do the rods as well - that way we can balance it all once
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Making how much power you are shooting for, you are going to want a 3" exhaust. 3" would be unnecessary for under about 500rwhp, but will help with gains in the power department you are going for. Heads will help breathing, like others have said and give some power. The main thing I would do is upgrade my drivetrain, because it isn't made to handle that much power.
3" certainly helps but it is not required for guys that do not want LOUD cars
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OMG I wanna be that guy again!!

I will be getting with Granatelli soon as I go home, to hopefully get a full Motor & Turbo's setup installed.

This might be a stupid question but, Granatelli does everything in house right? Do you guys have a Dyno also? And what is the turn around time on working a motor and installing turbos?
Everything is done "in house" EVERYTHING. We do have a chassis and Engine dyno
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I agree 101% - that is why I always say keep the stock cams. Also tghe crank is not that bad but if you do the pistons, do the rods as well - that way we can balance it all once
So what are you recomending for internals? What Pistons, Rods, Valves, crank, & Heads. I know you said LS7's but what is the recomended heads brand you think? I really want to see everything I should do to have a dependable monster motor.


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3" certainly helps but it is not required for guys that do not want LOUD cars
If im running twins, is there a header package that can be used? I love the loud sound of headers.


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Everything is done "in house" EVERYTHING. We do have a chassis and Engine dyno
I should be home sometime in October, and if all goes right I will use that time to travel down to cali just to drop off my car. Hope to be in the states no more then a week. What is the turn around time of installing motor work & turbo's? Im trying to figure out if I need to hire a company to transport it home or if im gonna be able to leave it there for 3 months.
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So what are you recomending for internals? What Pistons, Rods, Valves, crank, & Heads. I know you said LS7's but what is the recomended heads brand you think? I really want to see everything I should do to have a dependable monster motor.




If im running twins, is there a header package that can be used? I love the loud sound of headers.




I should be home sometime in October, and if all goes right I will use that time to travel down to cali just to drop off my car. Hope to be in the states no more then a week. What is the turn around time of installing motor work & turbo's? Im trying to figure out if I need to hire a company to transport it home or if im gonna be able to leave it there for 3 months.
What are your HP goals? The ~7psi kits that are sold on here don't need engine work to be dependable and last a long time. Most 7psi TT kits will net you in the 550-600whp range. If you want more than that, you will need to start looking into strengthening the internals.

These kits don't use headers. You may like the sound of headers but the exhaust is routed through a pair of turbo's AFTER the manifolds, so any sound you may gain will be canceled out as it travels through the turbo.

I don't know the exact install time but if any of these shops can't get a turbo installed in less than a couple days, they don't need to be installing them. I'm sure most of them can install it in a day, if they don't have other things going on. The engine work is another story. GMT can give you an idea about that.
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These kits don't use headers. You may like the sound of headers but the exhaust is routed through a pair of turbo's AFTER the manifolds, so any sound you may gain will be canceled out as it travels through the turbo.
So wait, what? With a TT setup you bypass the headers?
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Turbos don't need/want headers. You want to trap the heat energy and direct it straight into the turbos. Manifolds are usually better at doing this than headers. Turbos are essentially energy converters - they convert the energy produced by combustion that would normally be expelled as heat/gases into rotational force.
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That I did not know. Well the headers part. I am debating on going TT myself and this is just another reason to go TT as now I won't be spending money on headers making the TT seem cheaper for the amount of power it can push out.
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So wait, what? With a TT setup you bypass the headers?
You don't "bypass" the headers. Exhaust gas goes from the head, through the header, then through the turbo. As said above, you want as much heat as you can to hit the turbo quickly as this heat energy helps spool the turbo as it cools.
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Typically on under mounted TT's the factory exhaust manifold is replaced with one from the TT manufacturer and upon which the turbo mounts just below the manifold. However, there are rear mounted TT's and top mounted and front mounted combinations etc. Also, the turbos quiet the exhaust note quite a bit. AND, I would NOT spend the extra money for LS-7 heads when the money you save on ported LS-3 heads can be spent on the core motor.
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What are your HP goals? The ~7psi kits that are sold on here don't need engine work to be dependable and last a long time. Most 7psi TT kits will net you in the 550-600whp range. If you want more than that, you will need to start looking into strengthening the internals.

These kits don't use headers. You may like the sound of headers but the exhaust is routed through a pair of turbo's AFTER the manifolds, so any sound you may gain will be canceled out as it travels through the turbo.

I don't know the exact install time but if any of these shops can't get a turbo installed in less than a couple days, they don't need to be installing them. I'm sure most of them can install it in a day, if they don't have other things going on. The engine work is another story. GMT can give you an idea about that.
As I stated in my first post I am looking to be right at 600 to 700Rwhp. I understand I can be right at 600 with out any work being done to the motor. But I also know the way I drive, and trying to go over 600 maybe 700 I will need to beef up the motor.

As far as the headers, I had an s-10 4.3 V6 Turbo, w/ custom headers for the turbo. Ive been looking for the header company that made them, but havent found them yet. It was back when I was in High school, so its been about 10 years now. One they made the motor look great, two they wherent stock.

And as far as time goes, I know that a large shop like Granatelli is busy, and I do want motor work done so im sure its gonna take over a week or two. The fact of the matter is, I want to make sure its gonna take at least a month or so, because I wont be able to pick the car up till I am back from Afghanistan. And once I am gone I wont be back for 3 months. That was the hole reason I wanted to know if I had to make arangements to have it delivered home I will. These are the small details im gonna worrie about when im over 10,000 miles away.
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As I stated in my first post I am looking to be right at 600 to 700Rwhp. I understand I can be right at 600 with out any work being done to the motor. But I also know the way I drive, and trying to go over 600 maybe 700 I will need to beef up the motor.

As far as the headers, I had an s-10 4.3 V6 Turbo, w/ custom headers for the turbo. Ive been looking for the header company that made them, but havent found them yet. It was back when I was in High school, so its been about 10 years now. One they made the motor look great, two they wherent stock.

And as far as time goes, I know that a large shop like Granatelli is busy, and I do want motor work done so im sure its gonna take over a week or two. The fact of the matter is, I want to make sure its gonna take at least a month or so, because I wont be able to pick the car up till I am back from Afghanistan. And once I am gone I wont be back for 3 months. That was the hole reason I wanted to know if I had to make arangements to have it delivered home I will. These are the small details im gonna worrie about when im over 10,000 miles away.
I'm sure many of us would be happy to take care of your car while you're gone.
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I'm sure many of us would be happy to take care of your car while you're gone.
Haha you funny guy huh.... If im gonna hire someone to transport the car, this pretty much means I dont trust anyone enough to drive the car for me. Not even my wife will be able to drive it. Im currently looking for a V6 Camaro for her. I might have to buy her a new one just to make her happy, and to keep her away from mine.

What I really want to do is leave it there for the 3 months, because me being apart of this Forum is making me find things that I want to do to it. Like hood, carbon fiber pcs, Defenitly want to do suspension. But I cant find anyone that knows anything about performance airbags... Ive emailing ride tech about there system, but havent gotten anything back yet. Might be the first person to get there system on a new camaro, Witch would be bad ass! Twin Turbo's on a tricked out looking camaro! http://www.ridetech.com/shop/suspens...ms/shockwaves/
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