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Old 10-29-2008, 01:16 PM   #1
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Why the high oil capacity?

Does anyone know why it takes 8.9 qts of oil for the LS3 on this car? Seems like a lot to me. I guess you wouldn't have to worry as much about the pump scavenging when you're in hard turns. That's going to be an expensive oil change especially if using synthetic.
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Old 10-29-2008, 01:25 PM   #2
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high performance engines get lots of oil....allows more time to cool the oil while not in engine and makes the oil last longer because it is under stress for shorter amounts of time.
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Old 10-29-2008, 02:15 PM   #3
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high performance engines get lots of oil....allows more time to cool the oil while not in engine and makes the oil last longer because it is under stress for shorter amounts of time.

Headpunter is correct. It actually only takes a few ounces of oil to lubricate the entire engine. Everything beyond that is strictly for cooling. Those few onces of oil would boil and turn to crud in seconds if it stayed in the friction points the whole time.
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Old 10-29-2008, 02:34 PM   #4
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Plus you got the engine oil cooler on both the SS engines. More oil is needed to fill the cooler.
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Old 10-29-2008, 03:10 PM   #5
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I think it's easy to forget that oil, just like has been mentioned, probably adds to cooling moreso than lubricity. I've read from sites that test oils and oil additives that engines could actually run for several minutes with no oil in the pan and it's the heat that isn't removed by the flowing oil that kills the engine. I guess they go hand-in-hand, but that would be my guess. I'm thinking they are going to promote this car to be more track-friendly than in the past and since piston squirters probably aren't cheap to have, larger capacity is the better alternative. I don't think even the LSA holds as much oil, but it does have a cooler and squirters.

One thing is for sure: It's not going to be a $35 oil change anymore...
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Old 10-29-2008, 03:15 PM   #6
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For this kind of motor, it sounds perfect.
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Old 10-29-2008, 03:41 PM   #7
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Nope no cheap oil changes. Since they will want you to use Mobil 1 as the prefered oil. Dont know if its true about voiding warranty if anything else is used. I personally like Castrol syntec but hey they are both synthetic. Royal Purple would be a good choice as well.
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Old 10-29-2008, 10:36 PM   #8
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Old 10-30-2008, 12:03 AM   #9
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is it alright to break-in these new engines on synthetic? i read that older engines would screw up the rings unless you used conventional.
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Old 10-30-2008, 12:08 AM   #10
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Man and I thought my SS Supercharged drank oil by using almost 7 quarts of synthetic oil... The Camaro SS is going to cost alot of coin for an oil change...
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Old 10-30-2008, 12:14 AM   #11
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is it alright to break-in these new engines on synthetic? i read that older engines would screw up the rings unless you used conventional.
they wil be broken in before you get them.....and they come with synthetic so that is a moot point
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Old 10-30-2008, 12:44 AM   #12
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they wil be broken in before you get them.....and they come with synthetic so that is a moot point
So they will be broken in at the factory before we get them? Even the automatic SS?
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What would be so special about the auto, that they would treat it differently from the manual?
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Old 10-30-2008, 07:37 AM   #14
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Even with the oil cooler on my Z51 LS2 vette I saw oil temps reach 300 degrees on a cool day after 3 hard laps ar Road America, non Z51 vette's were getting OIL TEMP warnings (on the vette that's 315 degrees then the ECU goes to reduced power).

I did learn from my instructor to up shift into 5th on the long front straight which instantly lowered my oil temps to the 28X range for a full lap.

But I'd hate to think what kind of oil temps I would have reached if I had a couple of less quarts, and I even added the EXTRA quart like the Owner's Manual recommends when tracking.
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Even with the oil cooler on my Z51 LS2 vette I saw oil temps reach 300 degrees on a cool day after 3 hard laps ar Road America, non Z51 vette's were getting OIL TEMP warnings (on the vette that's 315 degrees then the ECU goes to reduced power).

I did learn from my instructor to up shift into 5th on the long front straight which instantly lowered my oil temps to the 28X range for a full lap.

But I'd hate to think what kind of oil temps I would have reached if I had a couple of less quarts, and I even added the EXTRA quart like the Owner's Manual recommends when tracking.
Wow .. that is pretty high ... my 135i takes 7 quarts (3.0L Turbo) and I usually see about 235 - 245 during hot days here in texas (not autoXing or anything though) .. what oil temps do you see during normal driving ?

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Wow .. that is pretty high ... my 135i takes 7 quarts (3.0L Turbo) and I usually see about 235 - 245 during hot days here in texas (not autoXing or anything though) .. what oil temps do you see during normal driving ?

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I don't think even the LSA holds as much oil, but it does have a cooler and squirters.

One thing is for sure: It's not going to be a $35 oil change anymore...
My question is, how do you know the LSA has oil squirters? Was that stated in the GM release a while ago detailing future Gen IV motors? Or have there been actual production and testing of the LSA?

Also for the guy who had oil temps up to 300 on Road America in the Z51, what do you think could have been done to cool the oil even more? A dry sump system?
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My question is, how do you know the LSA has oil squirters? Was that stated in the GM release a while ago detailing future Gen IV motors? Or have there been actual production and testing of the LSA?

Also for the guy who had oil temps up to 300 on Road America in the Z51, what do you think could have been done to cool the oil even more? A dry sump system?
the lsa does have oil squirters last time i checked and the new block for the ls3-lsa-ls9 all have the routing in the casting for the oil squirters, the ls3 just doesnt have the squirter boss drilled or have the actual squirter installed.
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Old 11-03-2008, 04:37 PM   #19
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My question is, how do you know the LSA has oil squirters? Was that stated in the GM release a while ago detailing future Gen IV motors? Or have there been actual production and testing of the LSA?

Also for the guy who had oil temps up to 300 on Road America in the Z51, what do you think could have been done to cool the oil even more? A dry sump system?

LSA is in the new CTS-V and it has oil squirters

(this is the marine variant, but its the same setup)
http://www.gm.com/experience/technol...LSA_Marine.pdf
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Thanks guys, I was being stupid earlier and forgot the LSA is already in production

Now the only thing the LSA needs is forged pistons and then hello boost!

BTW What is the stock boost on the CTS-V? About 12 lbs?
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Thanks guys, I was being stupid earlier and forgot the LSA is already in production

Now the only thing the LSA needs is forged pistons and then hello boost!

BTW What is the stock boost on the CTS-V? About 12 lbs?
around 8lbs
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around 8lbs
and max boost is set at 9 lbs
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Making an assumption

I am going to compare the camaro ss to the cobalt ss as I understand
that Mobile 1 will be required for the L99/LS3 as it is for the 2.0 S/C.

Yes, it is delivered with M1 and you will void the engine warranty if they
(the dealer) can prove you used anything else.

Buy your M1 from Walmart or similar store as the dealer will charge you
twice as much if you buy it from them.

There will be a break in process - 500 miles of varying engine speed and no periods of full throttle. You will find this in the owners manual.

The Camaro may be different but I dought it.

We also had a brake break in procedure, we'll see what the Camaro requires.
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I am going to compare the camaro ss to the cobalt ss as I understand
that Mobile 1 will be required for the L99/LS3 as it is for the 2.0 S/C.

Yes, it is delivered with M1 and you will void the engine warranty if they
(the dealer) can prove you used anything else.

Buy your M1 from Walmart or similar store as the dealer will charge you
twice as much if you buy it from them.

There will be a break in process - 500 miles of varying engine speed and no periods of full throttle. You will find this in the owners manual.

The Camaro may be different but I dought it.

We also had a brake break in procedure, we'll see what the Camaro requires.
I find it hard to believe that dealer would be able to tell one oil from another. Can someone verify this info please?
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I find it hard to believe that dealer would be able to tell one oil from another. Can someone verify this info please?
well.... Royal purple oil is..... well, purple. lol and its all I use.

but they can actually send samples of your oil off for analysis to check its contents and whatnot and compare it to standardized M1 oil samples to compare what you are running.

i did the same thing (to see which oil and filter was the best tho) over the course of 9 oil changes.

RP stood out among the best
M1 and Amsoil were right up there
penzoil and Q1 was further down the list

Wix filters were among the best
M1 and K&N were up top but more expensive
Fram sucks... period.
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