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Old 06-23-2010, 06:31 PM   #26
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wth........pricing, thats the question now
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Old 06-23-2010, 06:42 PM   #27
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Pricing....
Still working on it right now. Like with any prototype kit, we had $150 to $300 in a custom fitting or junction or whatever that can be made for 1/5 of that if we build enough of them at once. Esentially, I am trying to get my cost down as much as possible to keep the kit cost-competitive. When I include things like ball-bearing turbos and 61 or 62mm wheel options for what other shops charge an extra "XYZ" for it makes it hard to make everything seem price-competitive. Tial is typically a more expensive WG and BOV option and that isn't even adding on the Tial turbo housings.

I won't skimp on quality to cut costs (Meaning the existing parts on this kit will all stay) but if I can make 50 of something and save 50% as opposed to doing just one then that is a no-brainer.
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Old 06-23-2010, 07:16 PM   #28
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any pictures yet?

edit: my bad just clicked the link...
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Old 06-23-2010, 07:47 PM   #29
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Great numbers and we will definitely keeping track of this build. Just curious about 795 hp numbers, You are adding 20% drivetrain loss to the tires to get the 795?
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Old 06-23-2010, 09:31 PM   #30
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Are you guys using the stock exhaust manifolds or does your kit include new ones?
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Old 06-23-2010, 09:40 PM   #31
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Are you guys using the stock exhaust manifolds or does your kit include new ones?
This kit utilizes the stock manifolds. We could design tubular versions like we do on the C6 but the cost would go up considerably. To be honest, IMO, we are making more than enough power for 95% of our potential customer base as it is
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Old 06-23-2010, 09:43 PM   #32
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Great numbers and we will definitely keeping track of this build. Just curious about 795 hp numbers, You are adding 20% drivetrain loss to the tires to get the 795?
To be honest, I just used whatever % it lost from the factory rating of 426 to the 369rwhp it made at the tire.
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Old 06-23-2010, 10:33 PM   #33
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out of the turbo options which one is the fastest to spool...even if u lose a little on top...i rather have the response down lower
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Old 06-23-2010, 10:38 PM   #34
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out of the turbo options which one is the fastest to spool...even if u lose a little on top...i rather have the response down lower
HTA GT3076R for sure. Quickest spool and you will still have enough air-flow for high 600s at the wheels like the graphs I posted
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Old 06-23-2010, 11:55 PM   #35
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To be honest, I just used whatever % it lost from the factory rating of 426 to the 369rwhp it made at the tire.
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Please no disrespect at all. In fact after looking at this turbo kit I am very interested in even selling an installing. Numbers are great. I just want to be sure for two reasons that I understand the numbers.

1. Being educated is the only way to be. Honest answers and honest numbers. I want to be able to back up exactly what I say to our customers.

2. If this is industry standards the by all means I want to be able to converse this way with customers. We too do custom cam builds, forced induction etc.

I am just trying to do the math. 369 at tires from 436 flywheel is just 15.5 % drivetrain loss. (????)

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Old 06-24-2010, 12:20 AM   #36
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We need better pics from under the car
Excellent parts your using, Really looking forward to seeing the pricing.
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Old 06-24-2010, 01:12 AM   #37
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I saw this kit in person and during its R&D period... IPS built the kit on my C6Z06 and I can say that the quality of this product is second to none.

I bought my wife a new Camaro a couple of months ago and she wanted to keep it stock for the warranty period, but after seeing this kit I have been twisting her arm.

What I loved about it was that it was a true bolt on kit... connected up to stock manifolds and the stock exhaust system!

Every time I am in the shop I look at this kit on the test car and drool....
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Old 06-24-2010, 06:36 AM   #38
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I am just trying to do the math. 369 at tires from 436 flywheel is just 15.5 % drivetrain loss. (????)

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I am not sure there is a "Standard" for flywheel #s but if there is I will certainly use it. I have seen 18% and 20% thrown around a lot but I just used whatever the % of factory loss was. Might not be what everyone else uses but that is what I used. If anything I thought it would be a little on the conservative side...

Regardless, that is why I posted the actual rear-wheel HP numbers so you can use whatever % you want on getting what it is making back at the engine. I used the online SAE correction number (689) instead of the 663 only because our dyno thinks it was 35% humidity yesterday instead of 81-82% which throws off the correction factor. Normally we don't bother as it is pretty close but stupid humid days like yesterday throws the #s way off. For example, we dynoed a stock 2010 6-speed Challenger SRT8 right after the TT Camaro that only made 33Xrwhp. We have another one coming in Monday that will make 20+rwhp more than that on a "Normal" day when it isn't 100 degrees in the shop.
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Old 06-24-2010, 06:38 AM   #39
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This seems like the most promising kit that I have seen....I cant wait to hear more, see some more pics and hopefully videos....and see what pricing is. Another huge plus is you guys are located in Columbus which is within driving distance of western PA!!!

Great job!
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Old 06-24-2010, 07:32 AM   #40
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I saw this kit in person and during its R&D period... IPS built the kit on my C6Z06 and I can say that the quality of this product is second to none.

I bought my wife a new Camaro a couple of months ago and she wanted to keep it stock for the warranty period, but after seeing this kit I have been twisting her arm.

What I loved about it was that it was a true bolt on kit... connected up to stock manifolds and the stock exhaust system!

Every time I am in the shop I look at this kit on the test car and drool....
figures you'd be one of the people lined up to get this kit.

your car is SICK. I was lucky enough to see it while I was there getting tuned.
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Old 06-24-2010, 08:59 AM   #41
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your car is SICK. I was lucky enough to see it while I was there getting tuned.
Here is a sneak-peak of his new set-up for 2010:

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Old 06-24-2010, 09:07 AM   #42
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Here is a sneak-peak of his new set-up for 2010
ha.. yeah... eric was showing me it. I remember picking the turbo up... that is one hefty mofo. I still can't get over the injectors for that thing.... that's just crazy.

Is it going to be ready for st. louis for the lsx shootout this year? if so, I can't wait to see it!
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Old 06-24-2010, 01:08 PM   #44
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Here are a few pics of the turbos behind the power:








The rest are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ipsmoto...7624216913609/
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Jeff, please excuse my ignorance. How does Tial come to the picture with Garrett turbos? Doesn't Garrett provide the housing for the turbos? Can you explain the benefits and the options you're offering.
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Old 06-24-2010, 01:46 PM   #46
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annnnnd....

....and you are hard at work and nearly finished with a tt kit for the v6 camaro owners as well????... -hmmm???

+1 for the v8 tt setup btw
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Jeff, please excuse my ignorance. How does Tial come to the picture with Garrett turbos? Doesn't Garrett provide the housing for the turbos? Can you explain the benefits and the options you're offering.
Not a lot of "Tech" info but here is a link to the housing on Tial's webpage:

http://www.tialsport.com/prod_tc_tial_d.htm

The basics are better flow due to the larger A/R options, V-band and cast stainless-steel housings for less weight and less physical size. This makes it easier to get a large turbo in a small space which is what made them so appealing to us in the Vette-world where space for turbos this large is almost impossible to come by. If you don't factor in the added cost they are a win-win-win
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Old 06-24-2010, 01:50 PM   #48
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Will this affect daily drivability? This may be just what Im looking for.
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Will this affect daily drivability? This may be just what Im looking for.
Your gas mileage and tire wear are sure to decrease

Ill take a "Ride along" video when the owner pics up so you get an idea on idle and general street driving.
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Not a lot of "Tech" info but here is a link to the housing on Tial's webpage:

http://www.tialsport.com/prod_tc_tial_d.htm

The basics are better flow due to the larger A/R options, V-band and cast stainless-steel housings for less weight and less physical size. This makes it easier to get a large turbo in a small space which is what made them so appealing to us in the Vette-world where space for turbos this large is almost impossible to come by. If you don't factor in the added cost they are a win-win-win
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Thanks Jeff. Garrett has always been great. But now with these new housing (elimination of gaskets) make them even better and longer lasting.

I think you should offer a group buy (like the old days when Peter from APS used to do with his kits and sell over 50 kits in one week ) to ensure you can order all your parts at one time.
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