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Old 06-24-2010, 01:03 PM   #51
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Your gas mileage and tire wear are sure to decrease

Ill take a "Ride along" video when the owner pics up so you get an idea on idle and general street driving.
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Please don't add [annoying] music to videos. Let's hear the car/turbos please!
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Old 06-24-2010, 01:05 PM   #52
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What are the power differences/bands between the 3 different turbos? I understand the 3076R is the smallest and to quote you good for "high 600s". Is the 3582R the middle ground between torque and horsepower gains as opposed to the others?

Are there dyno charts showing each turbo utilizing the same engine?

Also, more pics of the setup under the car showing a wider view please?
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Old 06-24-2010, 01:14 PM   #53
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Please don't add [annoying] music to videos. Let's hear the car/turbos please!
No problem at all
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Old 06-24-2010, 01:23 PM   #54
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What are the power differences/bands between the 3 different turbos? I understand the 3076R is the smallest and to quote you good for "high 600s". Is the 3582R the middle ground between torque and horsepower gains as opposed to the others?

Are there dyno charts showing each turbo utilizing the same engine?

Also, more pics of the setup under the car showing a wider view please?
We don't have dyno graphs comparing the 3 different options yet (Since the prototype car just finished up yesterday). I do, however, have a graph of the Billet GT3586's on a stock LS9 (So just pretend you kept the 6.2L displacement and built the bottom-end in your LS3) that made 900rwhp I can post if you would like to compare. That is the only way that turbo could ever be used anyway due to the power levels the first two are capable of.
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Old 06-24-2010, 01:35 PM   #55
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I'd like to see that chart and I'm sure others would as well.

So if you opt for either of the two larger turbos, a built bottom is suggested, even at 5psi?

I'm sorta new to turbos and I see a set up in my future...
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Old 06-24-2010, 02:04 PM   #56
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I'd like to see that chart and I'm sure others would as well.
Here is the graph comparing the TT ZR1 and the TT Camaro:

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I'd like to see that chart and I'm sure others would as well.

So if you opt for either of the two larger turbos, a built bottom is suggested, even at 5psi?

I'm sorta new to turbos and I see a set up in my future...
We will be happy to display dyno test results with the 2 other framed turbos once we are able to get them on the r&d car, which currenlty may not be for a while. However we have done the math and we have good estimated guess's for the power and torque curve with both frames.

At 5psi it is not necessary, and 8 psi we believe it is up to the customers choice on building a forged motor. Around 650-700 wheel horsepower is the general limit for what we recommend on the stock LS3/ L99 long block (many other shops as well). However it still may be a good idea even at those power levels to invest in an engine build to have greater insurance. Above 8 psi with the large frame turbos (or 650hp), we highly recommend that you invest in reinforcing you L99/LS3 with proper engine components to handle the extreme cylinder pressures, heat, and friction.

Please let me know if there are any more questions I may be able to help you answer.

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Old 06-24-2010, 02:12 PM   #58
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Great numbers nice job.But i wonder how long a stock ls3 or l99 will hold together with that much HP
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Old 06-24-2010, 02:12 PM   #59
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So if you opt for either of the two larger turbos, a built bottom is suggested, even at 5psi?

I'm sorta new to turbos and I see a set up in my future...
You wouldn't need to build the engine on any of the turbo options at 5psi. However, if you are not going to build the engine (Or don't plan to) then your best-bet is to go with one of the 2 smaller turbos to minimize lag and maximize your power-band

If you want to run 750+ rwhp then a built engine is a must and then either of the GT35R options will make well over 1000rwhp
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Old 06-24-2010, 02:19 PM   #60
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You wouldn't need to build the engine on any of the turbo options at 5psi. However, if you are not going to build the engine (Or don't plan to) then your best-bet is to go with one of the 2 smaller turbos to minimize lag and maximize your power-band

If you want to run 750+ rwhp then a built engine is a must and then either of the GT35R options will make well over 1000rwhp
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I plan on getting the turbo set up first for an instant 200hp kick in the pants, then building the engine or getting a larger one and using the turbos on it. My ultimate goal is 750+ and the associated drivetrain upgrades commensurate with surviving that level of power.

I am looking forward to more pics and the pricing...

Thanks for all your time.
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Old 06-24-2010, 02:39 PM   #61
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Mmmmm HTA wheels.. and that Tial housing... that's just sex. That turbo is art.
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Old 06-24-2010, 03:40 PM   #62
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Is this just for the LS3? I have an L99 and just want to know what kind of gain I would be looking at if its doable. I know stock for stock you take away 25 hp....just wanted to know if it would be the same?
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Old 06-24-2010, 03:42 PM   #63
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Is this just for the LS3? I have an L99 and just want to know what kind of gain I would be looking at if its doable. I know stock for stock you take away 25 hp....just wanted to know if it would be the same?
We are putting the kit on a L99 car next week so we will have results from it soon as well. The client chose the same turbos (GT3582) so the transmission will be the only difference in power output
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Old 06-24-2010, 04:00 PM   #64
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Old 06-24-2010, 06:15 PM   #65
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A stock block is just a ticking time bomb, regardless of how well it is tuned. The ringlands/pistons are the weakest link.

Just prepare to have a few grand stashed away when it blows a ringland.
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Old 06-24-2010, 06:21 PM   #66
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Your gas mileage and tire wear are sure to decrease

Ill take a "Ride along" video when the owner pics up so you get an idea on idle and general street driving.
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I could under stand your mpg is going decrease when you drive like you have a 660 RWHP CAMARO, but crusing at 55 mph in 6th gear, or driving like grandma. I cant see it being worse, if not better. STS claims a 1-3 mpg improvment with there remote twin turbo kit. Although if I have 660 hp, I think I can sacrifice a few mpg.
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Old 06-24-2010, 06:30 PM   #67
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We are putting the kit on a L99 car next week so we will have results from it soon as well. The client chose the same turbos (GT3582) so the transmission will be the only difference in power output
Jeff
What about the camshaft? Seems like the stock LS3 cam ends up making a good deal more rear wheel power than the stock L99 cam when force induction is introduced.

Should be interesting to see the results on the L99.
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Old 06-24-2010, 06:39 PM   #68
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id love too hear and see it ! great job though !
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We are putting the kit on a L99 car next week so we will have results from it soon as well. The client chose the same turbos (GT3582) so the transmission will be the only difference in power output
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and the fact that its a l99
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Old 06-24-2010, 09:55 PM   #70
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looks like quality parts for that build. Nice work!


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Still would like to see the whole kit with pics...
Do u guys use PTE stuff too...
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Old 06-25-2010, 07:43 AM   #73
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Still would like to see the whole kit with pics...
Do u guys use PTE stuff too...
I will add them in for sure. We based the design off our C6 set-up so its the same lay-out and same turbos / WG's / BOV with a few chassis differences and plumbing differences (No dry-sump to worry about with the Camaro). It is also nice that adapter pipes off the stock manny's can make the power the kit has w/o having to design a replacement set like we do with the Vette's. We have had 2+ years of testing on things like the return oil pump and various plumbing components and I think most know Tial products are second-to-none

Yes we do. We used to use them (PTE Turbos) almost exclusively until the C6/Z06/ZR1 needed T4-like flow in a very very small amount of space. That led us to the Tial housings which dictated the change to Garrett center-sections as the Tial's will not work with Turbonetics. From there, we are only using Garrett/Tial on all our Domestic and single-turbo import applications.
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Old 06-25-2010, 10:13 AM   #74
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Ok. How bout a roundabout price of some sort?
How about a comparison on the effectiveness of the design while using stock manifolds vs. other designs on the market incooperation a custom header?
Does your fuel upgrade safely push enough for 650whp as compared to one I could purchase from ADM?
What happens if the oil pump quits?
Whats the maintenence and projected longjevity of all parts included?

These are all things I wonder as a noob to turbo setups. I've been down the blower route for a long time. I will be making a turbo purchase in the near future.
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I will break this down as best as possible

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This is a technical forum, per forum rules we are not aloud to discuss pricing, I however will have a post in the commercial section with pricing. I can say if you would like to PM , email , call (many have) we can talk pricing. Lastly it is VERY competitive to the market to give you maybe an indication of where the price point is.

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How about a comparison on the effectiveness of the design while using stock manifolds vs. other designs on the market in cooperation a custom header?
The factory nodular style manifold flows very well, as well as most tubular manifolds. The factory manifold also retains heat well which is ideal for turbo spooling characteristics. In the end the decision was more economic for us considering the effective range of the factory manifold, versus a tubular style which did not present a great enough marginal benefit or utility to use for this kit.

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Does your fuel upgrade safely push enough for 650whp as compared to one I could purchase from ADM?
I am not familiar with ADM's fuel system enough to speculate, however they seem to design and sell high quality components, so I would say their system would work as well from basic information. Our system will work to around 650 horsepower I can tell you this.

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What happens if the oil pump quits?
Like many of the systems on the market, hellion, TTi/grantelli ect we all use a sump oil pump to pull away the oil which can not be gravity drained. The pumps we use are of extremely high quality, and to date in 4 years of using this manufacturers pump have not had a failure. I can not guarantee it will not happen, I will say however it is highly unlikely. If the pump does fail, it will cause oil to push out the bearings of the turbo and into the exhaust causing smoke. It can cause turbo bearing failure, however it should not cause engine failure.

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Whats the maintenance and projected longevity of all parts included?
Normal routine maintenance is required like all cars, oil changes visual inspections, air filter cleaning ect. The mechanical components in are kit are of the highest quality and will last as long as they are maintained properly, (100,000 miles is the generic turbo life so to speak). Obviously if you are pushing the car to harder limits, via racing ect, you may shorten the life of the cars suspension, engine ect this is a general wear and tear understanding.

Hope fully we can set you up into an excellent IPS twin turbo system

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