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Old 06-23-2010, 08:42 PM   #1
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Dealer's take....

I know there are quite a few reputable, honest dealers and salesmen/women on this forum..so maybe you can help me.

Many of you have address "why are people still paying MSRP?".

I felt paying MSRP for the 2011 was reasonable, but for some reason many people do not agree with me. How much cost does the dealer actually retain from the camaro? It seems like it is not much. At what point does the dealer LOSE money..is it invoice? Either way.. I think I am being fair, but the reason I ask this question is to better educate myself if the dealer tries to sneak in hidden fees and hose me upon delivery....

the more prepared I am the easier this process will be and the more I save sooner I will be able to purchase the ATAK
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Old 06-23-2010, 08:45 PM   #2
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If your dealer wont sell the car at preferred pricing or invoice then I would look somewhere else........
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If your dealer wont sell the car at preferred pricing or invoice then I would look somewhere else........
I understand...but I want to able to negotiate this stuff, so I would like to see costs and not just drop every place like a dime as soon as I walk in.
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Old 06-23-2010, 09:14 PM   #4
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Its your salesmen you should atleast get preferred pricing if u own any gm car or if you know them. I got mine 2,000 under msrp and if your walking in to order a 2011 they know you really want it and that you are going to probally pay msrp so they will try to get you to pay before they budge.
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Since 2011 is the same price as 2010, it would be safe to say that the Camaro is priced very well.
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Old 06-23-2010, 09:34 PM   #6
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Since 2011 is the same price as 2010, it would be safe to say that the Camaro is priced very well.
Yea I agree...I was excited to see a very minimal price increase.

I don't believe they can say "we know you want this vehicle" for all they know I could walk out and buy a mustang.
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Yea I agree...I was excited to see a very minimal price increase.

I don't believe they can say "we know you want this vehicle" for all they know I could walk out and buy a mustang.
Dealers oftentimes forget that their prices aren't just competing with other people who sell their inventory. They have to worry that every dealer of every car could beat them.
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Old 06-23-2010, 09:38 PM   #8
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I know there are quite a few reputable, honest dealers and salesmen/women on this forum..so maybe you can help me.

Many of you have address "why are people still paying MSRP?".

I felt paying MSRP for the 2011 was reasonable, but for some reason many people do not agree with me. How much cost does the dealer actually retain from the camaro? It seems like it is not much. At what point does the dealer LOSE money..is it invoice? Either way.. I think I am being fair, but the reason I ask this question is to better educate myself if the dealer tries to sneak in hidden fees and hose me upon delivery....

the more prepared I am the easier this process will be and the more I save sooner I will be able to purchase the ATAK
No one has yet to answer the question



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Old 06-23-2010, 09:46 PM   #9
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Since 2011 is the same price as 2010, it would be safe to say that the Camaro is priced very well.
That's only half true in the ponycars war, they are priced higher than the Mustang that was just upgraded with more powerful engines.
How is GM gonna raise prices against that competition?
Now compared to the Challenger they are a bargain.
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Old 06-23-2010, 09:50 PM   #10
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That's only half true in the ponycars war, they are priced higher than the Mustang that was just upgraded with more powerful engines.
How is GM gonna raise prices against that competition?
Now compared to the Challenger they are a bargain.
The challenger is just a damn rip off
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Old 06-23-2010, 09:58 PM   #11
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The challenger is just a damn rip off
True and quite frankly I am loving Ford right now because if they had raised their prices for the Mustang I would be paying more for my Camaro.
They really screwed their fanboys though, imagine buying a Mustang last year and the very next year they bring out the same car with an extra 100hp for the same price....that's a kick in the teeth.
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True and quite frankly I am loving Ford right now because if they had raised their prices for the Mustang I would be paying more for my Camaro.
They really screwed their fanboys though, imagine buying a Mustang last year and the very next year they bring out the same car with an extra 100hp for the same price....that's a kick in the teeth.
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Just tell the sales guy to agree on the price that you feel the deal is worth and he will say yes or no , then he will give you his [best] #$$$$ BS and you turn and give him your phone # and walk away , this guy will call you and ask if you are still in the market , they [most] know that if you leave you would not come back. It's kind a mind's game they want what you have $ and we want the car[other places come to mind ] do have more off what you want and they know that!!!!!
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in my neck of the woods,you pay msrp if you want the car.
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in my neck of the woods,you pay msrp if you want the car.
I get what you are saying, but I don't think the camaro is a car you buy because you need it when the wheels fall off a geo metro.

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i say if you are happy with the final price whether it be msrp or below is all that matters
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I would never pay MSRP for a vehicle. Incentives and rebates are far to easy to get and qualify for and the dealers get reimbursed for these so they aren't losing anything. If your dealer won't accept these then go somewhere else.
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I would never pay MSRP for a vehicle. Incentives and rebates are far to easy to get and qualify for and the dealers get reimbursed for these so they aren't losing anything. If your dealer won't accept these then go somewhere else.
I'm getting GM supplier discount on my 2011
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i say if you are happy with the final price whether it be msrp or below is all that matters
Like I've said..im "ok" with MSRP...but who wouldn't be happy for less...that is why I was curious if any dealers within this forum knew...
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Old 06-24-2010, 11:02 AM   #20
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Old 06-24-2010, 11:32 AM   #21
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I know there are quite a few reputable, honest dealers and salesmen/women on this forum..so maybe you can help me.

Many of you have address "why are people still paying MSRP?".

I felt paying MSRP for the 2011 was reasonable, but for some reason many people do not agree with me. How much cost does the dealer actually retain from the camaro? It seems like it is not much. At what point does the dealer LOSE money..is it invoice? Either way.. I think I am being fair, but the reason I ask this question is to better educate myself if the dealer tries to sneak in hidden fees and hose me upon delivery....

the more prepared I am the easier this process will be and the more I save sooner I will be able to purchase the ATAK
Wow, good question!

Let me start by saying...I think EVERYBODY on this board would agree that the Camaro is very fairly priced. You get a TON of power and car for the money. I have had people walk in the dealership and look at a 2SS/RS and say out loud, 'What does this run, around $50k?'

So, do I think MSRP is a fair price? YES! Would I want to pay MSRP?! NO! Do I give my customers discounts?! YES!

Invoice price is what we pay for the car. There may be some other things like advertising fees in the invoice price, but it is still what we actually pay for the car. To give you the exact point at which a dealership is losing money is almost impossible. There are other factors, like contests and Mark of Excellence money that might come in to play.

If the price you are paying is a fair price to you, then that is all that matters.

Money is what makes the world go around. All we do is earn it and spend it...it just keeps circulating. If you pay $500 more for a car than the next guy, will that change your way of life? Will it really make a difference in the long run? I doubt it for most people here. Do you WANT to keep as much of your money in your pocket as you can? I am sure you do. Would I like the opportunity to earn it? YOU BET!
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My dealer has #100443 2SS CGM L99 coming into the lot this week. I was working a deal for a 2010 but saw on the dealer website that this one was on it's way. He said he could not give me my GM Supplier discount on 2011 but would knock 500 of MSRP. I countered with 1100 off and they took the deal. Cannot wait until it arrives!!!

Funny because many of you say GM discounts are vaild on 2011's?
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My dealer has #100443 2SS CGM L99 coming into the lot this week. I was working a deal for a 2010 but saw on the dealer website that this one was on it's way. He said he could not give me my GM Supplier discount on 2011 but would knock 500 of MSRP. I countered with 1100 off and they took the deal. Cannot wait until it arrives!!!

Funny because many of you say GM discounts are vaild on 2011's?
They are! Must be that your dealer isn't participating.

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I countered with 1100 off and they took the deal. Cannot wait until it arrives!!!

Funny because many of you say GM discounts are vaild on 2011's?
Yea, I wouldn't complain about 1100.
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$1100 off is a good deal on a 2011. Its probably comparable to getting $3000 off a 2010, because the car is a full year newer, and will be worth quite a bit more in resale value for at least the next 10 years.

Once the initial surge of 2011 buying winds down (in 2-3 months), better deals will probably become available, but its definitely a good deal at this time.
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