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Old 11-10-2008, 10:42 PM   #1
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Lets be realistic for a moment..

I'm happy the Camaro's back for a 5th generation as are all of you, but there's a lot of changes that lie ahead for GM and its product line across its various brands, and what these changes mean for GM could (and will) have a major impact on our favorite GM product;the Camaro. I have the fear with the intense need for government assistance and increased scrutiny on behalf of the general public as well as the goverment, that after this generation of Camaro this could well be the last, either for a time or forever. Now I'm all for enjoying the here and now and making the most of the experience, but I can't help but wonder...6th gen?? Let's hope GM risese to the occasion and that it happens. On the other side of the equation it looks like GM has pro-longed quite a few existing programs, so the 5thgen may be here a while more than we expect.
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Old 11-10-2008, 10:47 PM   #2
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We'll be looking at ALL current-gens for quite awhile. GM (and everyone else) simply doesn't have the money to throw into updates that they used to. What little money they can muster up will probably go towards cars like the Volt.
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Old 11-10-2008, 10:54 PM   #3
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that's why I love this car....it's timeless.
A retro throwback to the late 60's.
I don't want it updated and changed with new styling; the old school styling is what hooked me in the first place, otherwise, I would have kept my vette.

This is my first and last Camaro.
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Old 11-10-2008, 10:55 PM   #4
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we cant know what the future will hold... thats for sure

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Old 11-10-2008, 11:02 PM   #5
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maybe the gen5 will be like the C3... which was around from '68 - '82 Imagine that, the same bodystyle in 2024...
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Old 11-10-2008, 11:06 PM   #6
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I would expect revised models and upcoming generations to be delayed due to the lack of R&D money. GM is in trouble, but it is abundantly clear that the federal government is making a priority of fixing the market. The current administration has decided to pass some of this responsibility to the next administration, so we may not see the changes GM needs until February. Obviously, this could be terrible for GM operations as many employees may have shifts cut or products without any production for short periods of time.

I am terrified that the best manufacturer on Earth will cease to exist. The end of GM will plunge the entire world market into a very dark place. It is the responsibility of the US government to protect its innocent citizens from the problems of a guilty market. Without discussing the placement of that guilt, I think we can all agree that GM, Ford, and Chrysler all deserve and need to be bailed out in the very near future.
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Old 11-10-2008, 11:13 PM   #7
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why innocent? i think they/we've contributed our fair share to the demise of the car industry. they/we could've demanded smaller, more fuel efficient cars instead of escalades, tahoes and suburbans a long time ago. but nope, fuel consumption was on nobody's mind when gas prices were $1.
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Old 11-10-2008, 11:23 PM   #8
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why innocent? i think they/we've contributed our fair share to the demise of the car industry. they/we could've demanded smaller, more fuel efficient cars instead of escalades, tahoes and suburbans a long time ago. but nope, fuel consumption was on nobody's mind when gas prices were $1.
I was mainly referring to the overall market crisis, not just the automotive market. All this time, I've been in college. I'm innocent. Most reasonable people will follow their common sense and rationally choose based on what other people are doing. A lot of people created this mess, but the fact that so many people are involved leads one to question whether the mistake is something that bears guilt or whether it is an accident. I don't mean to butt heads or anything, but I do want to point out that most people wouldn't make a decision if they knew it would hurt them or others later. Most people aren't that deliberate in doing harm. We all want an America with strong consumer confidence and a booming, successful economy.

You're right about fuel prices and fuel consumption when the prices were cheaper. We as a society are responsible for our oil dependency.
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Old 11-11-2008, 01:04 AM   #9
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Who knows what the next Camaro might be like? With the right shift in engine technology, what we know as "Camaro" today might not look anything like the 6th gen, and that very well could be a very good thing.
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Old 11-11-2008, 01:13 AM   #10
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maybe the gen5 will be like the C3... which was around from '68 - '82 Imagine that, the same bodystyle in 2024...
Or the 2nd and 3rd gen. Camaros.
They were pretty darn similar from '70 to '81
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Old 11-11-2008, 05:58 AM   #11
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a lot of people are loosing there jobs around here.and i think a new car is not on the list right now.GM knows this, look at the lots they still have alot 08 models.It's not the right time and this is bad for any auto maker.
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Old 11-11-2008, 06:17 AM   #12
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why innocent? i think they/we've contributed our fair share to the demise of the car industry. they/we could've demanded smaller, more fuel efficient cars instead of escalades, tahoes and suburbans a long time ago. but nope, fuel consumption was on nobody's mind when gas prices were $1.

I'm not trying to be harsh here but you need to do some research into why, until recently, the price of gas was through the roof. It had very little to do with driving SUVs and pickup trucks. Hate to break it to you but hybrids and more responsible driving is NOT the reason why gas prices are now half of what they were last year.

Quick enlightenment -- In 1999, our gov't made a poor decision to revoke the Glass-Steagall act. That removed regulation and oversight on the investment market and the banking industry. The Banking industry bubble pop and fallout has been beaten to death. However, I have heard little talk about how the price of gas has fallen and why. Here's why. The Glass-Steagall act required investors to take possession of energy resources if they began investing in energy futures etc. When that Act was revoked, the wealthy investors could now invest in energy futures without having to store oil, gas, etc. Thus, the wealthy investors artificially drove up demand on gas and forced you and I to pay a ridiculous amount at the pump. If the Glass-Steagall act (or something similar) is not put back in place, then the price of gas will skyrocket again as the market recovers.

Want to know what the price of gas will be tomorrow? Go here: NYMEX and look at the RBOB value. In the most simplistic terms, that is what a gallon of gas costs tapped off the pipeline BEFORE things such as distribution, tax, detergent additives, and profit are piled on top. Watch the change in the RBOB value -- the gas prices will change at the pump accordingly a day or two later.
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Old 11-11-2008, 06:32 AM   #13
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that's why I love this car....it's timeless.
A retro throwback to the late 60's.
I don't want it updated and changed with new styling; the old school styling is what hooked me in the first place, otherwise, I would have kept my vette.

This is my first and last Camaro.
couldnt have said it better, exactly my thoughts
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Old 11-11-2008, 06:50 AM   #14
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I think most R&D money for a while will go to making more fuel efficent power trains. And I feel like they will start plugging them into all the current cars. Along with maybe looking into weight reductions while keeping structural integrity.
If the government does approve a financial assistance program for the auto industry I think there will be ties to creating more Hybrids/Electric vehicles along wiht making current cars more fuel efficent.

I don't think we will see much change in the design of any current vehicles that make it past the chopping block.
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Old 11-11-2008, 09:29 AM   #15
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I'm not trying to be harsh here but you need to do some research into why, until recently, the price of gas was through the roof. It had very little to do with driving SUVs and pickup trucks. Hate to break it to you but hybrids and more responsible driving is NOT the reason why gas prices are now half of what they were last year.

Quick enlightenment -- In 1999, our gov't made a poor decision to revoke the Glass-Steagall act. That removed regulation and oversight on the investment market and the banking industry. The Banking industry bubble pop and fallout has been beaten to death. However, I have heard little talk about how the price of gas has fallen and why. Here's why. The Glass-Steagall act required investors to take possession of energy resources if they began investing in energy futures etc. When that Act was revoked, the wealthy investors could now invest in energy futures without having to store oil, gas, etc. Thus, the wealthy investors artificially drove up demand on gas and forced you and I to pay a ridiculous amount at the pump. If the Glass-Steagall act (or something similar) is not put back in place, then the price of gas will skyrocket again as the market recovers.

Want to know what the price of gas will be tomorrow? Go here: NYMEX and look at the RBOB value. In the most simplistic terms, that is what a gallon of gas costs tapped off the pipeline BEFORE things such as distribution, tax, detergent additives, and profit are piled on top. Watch the change in the RBOB value -- the gas prices will change at the pump accordingly a day or two later.
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Old 11-11-2008, 09:36 AM   #16
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If anything they'll be minor tweaks, new colors and trims. But I wouldn't expect anything drastic unless GM can figure something out with the union that is slowely ruining their own future.
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Old 11-11-2008, 10:11 AM   #17
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IMO the life cycle of a vehicle has become too short anyway. Motorcycles, since I'm heavily involved in those, are the same way. 15 years ago I seem to remember a vehicle design lasting about 5 - 8 years or longer. Motorcycles too. Now it's like every two years there are major changes. To me this is un-necessary.

Having a longer cycle for a vehicle will also give more time for aftermarket parts development as well as less expensive parts since they can be used on a wider range of model years.

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Old 11-11-2008, 10:52 AM   #18
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^^^ I agree, the life cycle of vehicles has become much too short.
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^^^ I agree, the life cycle of vehicles has become much too short.
I want to see cars like the current Camaro go on for a long time. Unfortunately, GM may not have the option of designing a new platform with its current money crunch.
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Old 11-11-2008, 11:23 AM   #20
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I think if they are going to redesign, they should continue the retro theme. The Camaro now is based off the first gen where the 6th gen should be based off the 2nd gen. How cool would it be to see what each one of these gen cars would look like in new retro form? I tend to think the retro fad would not last that long but I'm sure it would keep my interest.
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^^^ I agree, the life cycle of vehicles has become much too short.
I guess you must have not been around when every year American cars would change the styling of the fronts and backs and the chrome trim and about every 2 to 4 years completely redesign the cars... just take a look at any of the 50's and 60's American cars...
It wasn't until the late 70's they started keeping the life cycle longer.. but then they fell into another trap. Falling behind the competition from Japan. As the Japanese made more and more money, they redesigned their cars more often, while in Detroit the opposite happened, the less money they made they tried to lengthen out the product cycle, and fell behind in many ways.

Now they have returned for the most part to a more reasonable 4-5 year cycle.. and I hope they do not return to a 10 to 12 year cycle.
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I think if they are going to redesign, they should continue the retro theme. The Camaro now is based off the first gen where the 6th gen should be based off the 2nd gen. How cool would it be to see what each one of these gen cars would look like in new retro form? I tend to think the retro fad would not last that long but I'm sure it would keep my interest.
The only problem with this is when you get to the 10th generation car, which is based on the 5th generation, which is based on a 1st generation. Basically, a black hole will form over Detroit and the entire planet will implode.
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The only problem with this is when you get to the 10th generation car, which is based on the 5th generation, which is based on a 1st generation. Basically, a black hole will form over Detroit and the entire planet will implode.
If GM were able to stretch this theme out far enough to repeat itself, it would be a tremendous success. At that point, a total redesign could be possible. Again, I'm not sure the fad would last that long but I myself would love to see what they can do with the other gens since this one is so appealing.

Any of you computer guys want to give a shot at what a 2nd gen would could like?
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The only problem with this is when you get to the 10th generation car, which is based on the 5th generation, which is based on a 1st generation. Basically, a black hole will form over Detroit and the entire planet will implode.
Naw, by the time the 10th gen comes around we'll all be driving flying cars.
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Naw, by the time the 10th gen comes around we'll all be driving flying cars.
That doesn't mean it can't be a flying Chevy Camaro with super charged jet boosters...
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