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Old 05-03-2007, 04:08 PM   #1
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Mods and warranty

what kind of mods can you do and still be under warrenty? just exaust and intake right or can you do internal engine stuff too,cam?
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Old 05-03-2007, 04:19 PM   #2
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To be safe, I didn't "mod" the SS until it was out of warranty.

As for your question regarding "internal" mods, my guess is you'll void the warranty.
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Old 05-03-2007, 04:33 PM   #3
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thats what i figured i hope they ofer some kind of cam option
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Old 05-03-2007, 07:40 PM   #4
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thats what i figured i hope they ofer some kind of cam option
If you acknowlege VVT, then they will. What I mean is, chances are Chevrolet will be offering Variable Valve Timing, which would almost make a conventional Cam replacement useless, almost...
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Old 05-04-2007, 03:02 AM   #5
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I wouldn't want to change any internals on that engine. You are already getting a good 400-450hp w/ the LS3 and VVT is supposed to get 30+mpg's. Why mess w/ a good thing? I think all the time and effort along w/ the cost associated w/ installing another cam and tune for 30 to 40 extra horses would just be way too much trouble. Hey, if you've got the cash, go for it. But you will void that warranty on the engine in no time if you begin to pull it apart, so be careful!

GM told me that adding headers would void the warranty as well. Someone else said they wouldn't. I wasn't sure and just left it alone. I'd put them on now, no sweat. Intake? Nah...depending on what all you consider intake. Just a K&N air filter? Nah. Cold air intake? Nah. Lid? Nah. I put on the mass air flow sensor. No probs there. Intake manifold? Maybe.
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Old 05-04-2007, 06:14 AM   #6
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Safe answer is to not do any mods until your initial warranty has expired.

Legally, however, a dealer can't void a warranty unless they can prove that your modification caused the problem that you are trying to cover under warranty. For instance, a dealership can't reaslistically blame a faulty/broken tranny on a set of new headers

That is covered under the Magnusson-Moss act. However, if you want to challenge a dealership under that act then you better prepared for a fight that may or may not be worth it.

As for VVT and aftermarket applications. The aftermarket will figure out a way to keep most of the benefits of the VVT and still have gains from a more aggressive cam.

The new Mustangs have VVT, and there are more aggressive cams on the market for them that don't screw with the VVT. You just need an experienced tuner who knows how make all the proper adjustments.
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Old 05-04-2007, 03:00 PM   #7
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so the v8 is an will be an OHV right, the new mustangs are OHC, i didnt think that most OHV could have VVT. i no the viper does but they had to do alot of work to get it that way
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MAGNUSON MOSS WARRANTY ACT, US Code - Title 15, Chapter 50, Sections 2301-2312

Legally, a vehicle manufacturer cannot void the warranty on a vehicle due to an aftermarket part unless they can prove that the aftermarket part caused or contributed to the failure in the vehicle (per the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302©) . For best results, consider working with performance-oriented dealerships with a proven history of working with customers. If your vehicle manufacturer fails to honor emission/warranty claims, contact EPA at (202) 260-2080 or http://www.epa.gov. If federal warranty protection is denied, contact the FTC at (202) 326-3128 or http://www.ftc.gov
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Old 05-06-2007, 09:36 PM   #9
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there are more aggressive cams on the market for them that don't screw with the VVT. You just need an experienced tuner who knows how make all the proper adjustments.
Exactly, and though most of us know what we're doing, a CAM swap on a VVT just doesn't seem worth it to me - Very difficult I've heard, and it kind of defeats the purpose.

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so the v8 is an will be an OHV right, the new mustangs are OHC, i didnt think that most OHV could have VVT. i no the viper does but they had to do alot of work to get it that way
Yeah, it's OHV. CAM-in-block too, I think. But that doesn't really change a lot as far as the VVT goes, just moves things around a bit. Sure it's a little harder to time everthing, but hey it's GM...famous for their pushrods:p

You know everytime somebody mentions the Viper I laugh...a V10 and supercharged(I think) and it still makes close to the same as one of our corvettes...oh, right - which is a V8, and normally aspirated...I just laugh.
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Old 05-06-2007, 09:52 PM   #10
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The viper is NA. Just, what, 8.3L? As far as cam-swaps with vvt go, there are after-market companies that make cams for vvt engines. Such as the 2.3L Mazda motor in the 6/3/Speed6/Speed3/CX-7. Changing the duration of valve-opening can lead to a big time performace increase.
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Old 05-10-2007, 08:02 AM   #11
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The first mod I'm planning has nothing to do with the engine.

I have a wife and 3 daughters. I want them all to be able to ride with me in the car, so I'm already talking to a couple of upholstery shops in town that can yank out the "buckets" in the back, make a "bench" and add another seatbelt.

If my kids were in their teens, I wouldn't worry about it, but by the time I get a 5th gen, my girls will be 2, almost 5, and almost 7. Old enough to use the smaller booster seats rather than the huge car seats (okay, 2 of them, 1 regular car seat), small enough to fit all 3 in the back seat, and still young enough to think that riding with dad is still cool. They love it when they get to ride in my truck (I mean normally, they have to ride with mom in our '03 Tahoe, but riding in the truck is special...even though the interiors are near identical).

Besides, I want to get them into the whole "Camaro scene" at a young age so they can start creating those good memories talked about in other threads and then, when they get older, will want to keep the Camaro-in-the-family tradition going.
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Old 05-17-2007, 10:46 AM   #12
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It all depends on who your dealer / service writer is. I previously owned a 2002 Z-06 and had an LPE head / cam with all the bolt ons you could add at the time....(cold air intake, underdrive pulley, headers, hi-flow cats, 3" exhaust w/ x-pipe, 160 degree stat, and reprogrammed ECM, big brake package).

About 6 months after the mods my 3rd gear syncro took a crap and I took into the dealer and they replaced the tranny under warranty (twice). They even upgraded the 3rd gear shift fork to a steel units from the stock plastic fork.

I was lucky, I know. I have heard of some people taking their car in with a K&N filter only and the dealer said the warranty was voided and wouldn't touch the car.

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Old 05-17-2007, 10:18 PM   #13
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It all depends on who your dealer / service writer is. I previously owned a 2002 Z-06 and had an LPE head / cam with all the bolt ons you could add at the time....(cold air intake, underdrive pulley, headers, hi-flow cats, 3" exhaust w/ x-pipe, 160 degree stat, and reprogrammed ECM, big brake package).

About 6 months after the mods my 3rd gear syncro took a crap and I took into the dealer and they replaced the tranny under warranty (twice). They even upgraded the 3rd gear shift fork to a steel units from the stock plastic fork.

I was lucky, I know. I have heard of some people taking their car in with a K&N filter only and the dealer said the warranty was voided and wouldn't touch the car.

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I had my stock mass air flow sensor replaced due to the k&n air filter problem. I was using too much oil on the filter. When the air blew through it, it picked up the oil spreading it out on the three sensors in the MAF. The replaced it, but said I better go back to the stock air filter or they would not warranty it again. Needless to say, I used less oil. I did have the problem again (sounds like sparks from the battery when you touch the + to -) and just used rubbing alcohol with a Q-tip to clean it.

Funny you mention the tranny issue. Had the same problem w/ my Z28. It, too, was replaced twice. Of course, they said if it happened again, it was driver error (since they replaced the whole tranny on the second go-round). They seem to like to say "if you do it again" a lot...
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Old 05-23-2007, 04:51 PM   #14
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Red face Don't void that warranty!

So, there you are....picking up your special-ordered 5th gen. But my God does it have some wheel gap. And what was Chevy thinking putting such a restrictive exhaust on it? And wow Saleen's Power Programmer is a guaranteed 30 rwhp.....

All speculation of course to start conversation.

I'm REALLY hoping that I can talk the right talk with the dealership in what they will allow me to do to the car and keep it within warranty specs....even if it means them doing the work ($$$ I'm sure). ESPECIALLY if I break down and get a first-year model coupe instead of holding out to see if they do like the GTO and wait to work out the real deal in the following year-models.

How about you? Are you willing to go the extra mile to try to break 500 rwhp in your brand new car, or are you going to try to ride out the warranty incase GM QA misses something that suddenly plagues the '09s a year or two after release and you rwarranty has to cover it...but oops...that intake you installed voids the warranty on the MAF/MAP (or whatevr they use) and you are now paying out of pocket....

This is a dilemma for me. I'm not known for keeping my cars stock...it's no fun...but I truly do worry about first-year model cars from ANY dealer, and keeping that 4-5 year warrantee may just be necessary afterall.
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Old 05-23-2007, 05:02 PM   #15
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This seems almost directed towards me. I will have to see what the dealer says. I will ask what I can do or can not do and what warranty will be effected. Sometimes they allow a certain drop and/or intake install. Intakes usually and rarely void your warranty but I know race headers and such almost always do. I will need to know, I am hoping to drop my 5th gen and get an exhaust that scares the hell out of people.

I wouldn't recommend getting the warranty void specially on the first years, just seems like a risky move.

By the way, what did they do with the GTO?
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They rushed the GTO out the door, poorly done and then the question became, what didn't happen with the GTO?

Back on topic, I am definitley content with factory specs...until the car gets older and outdriven by "those young rips"...then I'll think about it. Eventually I would like to race this car every once in a while, so who can tell what I'll do to it? After all, of course, it's the driver not the car? Right?
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Old 05-23-2007, 06:23 PM   #17
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All I know is the exhausts I hear pretty regularly on GTO's are just....nasty...one thing that's always been a disappointment to me is how GOOD Mustangs have always sounded and how weak f-body exhausts were. Even Vettes can screw up the exhaust note unless done perfectly.

If the production can sound anything like the concept does....I'm gonna be thrilled. If it doesn't from the factory, even better, I can go out of my way to GET the car to sound the way I want it to sound...IF it keeps it in warantee status.

There's a decent WIki on the GTO: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_GTO#Revival
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HOPEFULLY Chevy will take a page from Ford Racing, TRD, and Mopar with GM Performance Parts and offer a bunch of dealer or factory installed options such as wheels, springs, exhaust, superchargers, etc. I will go that route and keep it as bought if I can get a good performance gain over stock. I'm not trying to be the fastest thing out there, but I do want to make the car truly my own without worrying about funds for a major repair if it can be covered. As much as I hate to say it, the various special edition Mustangs aren't a bad idea, at least they ARE all covered by warranty, and they are sure to be worth a ton of money 30 to 40 years down the road when we aren't allowed to drive cars anymore.
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I've heard rumors that GM may offer performance upgrades through the dealers. That would be pretty neat, being able to pick from a list of performance upgrades when ordering a new Camaro.
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I've heard rumors that GM may offer performance upgrades through the dealers. That would be pretty neat, being able to pick from a list of performance upgrades when ordering a new Camaro.
That's the only way to go IMO. They won't repeat what they did with the GTO. I think GM learned from that mistake. Frankly, I don't see any major performance changes for this Camaro from 1st year to 3rd year of production. I think the HP of the V8s will stay pretty much the same.
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All I know is the exhausts I hear pretty regularly on GTO's are just....nasty...one thing that's always been a disappointment to me is how GOOD Mustangs have always sounded and how weak f-body exhausts were. Even Vettes can screw up the exhaust note unless done perfectly.

If the production can sound anything like the concept does....I'm gonna be thrilled. If it doesn't from the factory, even better, I can go out of my way to GET the car to sound the way I want it to sound...IF it keeps it in warantee status.

There's a decent WIki on the GTO: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_GTO#Revival
Greetings MerF!!!

Any aftermarket cat-back exhaust, CAI, lowering spring will not void the warranty my friend. The fact is, any aftermarket product made specifically for the car it is installed on, will not void the warranty.

Unless they can prove the part is at fault for causing whatever the warranty issue happens to be, as some say in the south....."that dog won't hunt"!

Obviously, I'm not referring to NOS, or superchargers and the like. Any company that steps up and offers a P&P head's and intake for the Maro, with proven dyno results, thats usually a great way to gain substantial hp.

And if they use OEM parts, and you swap your stock parts, the dealer would be hard pressed to detect that mod.

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Any aftermarket cat-back exhaust, CAI, lowering spring will not void the warranty my friend. The fact is, any aftermarket product made specifically for the car it is installed on, will not void the warranty.


That's what I'm hoping! The Camaro will be my first ever bought brand-spanking-new car (out of the 7 or so I've owned in my short life...I'm a car-whore I guess?). So I have zero background.

And when I read my post that was quoted above by MaroMike, I realized that I typed something wrong. When I said GTO aftermarket exhausts sound nasty...I meant GOOD nasty...I love the way the GTOs sound with a good cat-back.

Thanks for the welcoming!
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That's what I'm hoping! The Camaro will be my first ever bought brand-spanking-new car (out of the 7 or so I've owned in my short life...I'm a car-whore I guess?). So I have zero background.

And when I read my post that was quoted above by MaroMike, I realized that I typed something wrong. When I said GTO aftermarket exhausts sound nasty...I meant GOOD nasty...I love the way the GTOs sound with a good cat-back.

Thanks for the welcoming!
Your welcome amigo. I install all of those mods on my muscle cars, and NEVER, have I had a problem. Even did the P&P heads and intake on this beast......with only 1,200 miles on the clock.
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I better save this link

When the dealership voids my warranty, I will just direct them to this website of authority?

Please remember a dealership can do whatever they want.

They will try to get out of fixing anything for free. (right?)

Dealerships want to encourage this--->?

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