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Old 08-15-2010, 01:46 PM   #376
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Yea but somthing like this....you get what you pay for. So i dont wanna put somthing in my car that is cheap and possibly going to do harm. Especially since this will almost surely void the warranty.

I am Crazy to think that someone will produce a quality system for 2 to 3K?
Not an intercooled turbo system...
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Old 08-15-2010, 01:53 PM   #377
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When you look at the cost of just a tune I think you're dreaming. You can check out the magazine article from a few months ago.

It seems a lot of things on these have prices that are up there. I keep trying to justify paying $1k roughly for headers/cats just to have to turn around and pay more for a tune. I have ceramic super comp headers for my big block camaro that cost less than $700.
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Old 08-15-2010, 02:36 PM   #378
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Not an intercooled turbo system...
This is required right?
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Old 08-15-2010, 04:37 PM   #379
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What is the normal price for a Turbo kit? Obviously the 6K price tag on these is cause they are th only company making them right now.....and anyone would charge the most they copuld get for them....just smart business....But whats the normal price for a turbo kit....say onces the market gets flooded with more choices?
Actually, STS pretty much has a standard price for their single turbo kit and their twin turbos. Almost all their standard single turbo kits are $5,995. Nothing to do with the fact that there are no competitors for the v6. They will still charge this price. Just FYI if you are waiting for STS to drop their price, won't be happenning.
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Old 08-15-2010, 04:38 PM   #380
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Optional but suggested.

(regarding intercoolers)
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Old 08-16-2010, 08:22 AM   #381
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This was in a post back in July:

This may be do-able for less.. A place in town has a mustang turbo kit that claims its 650 hp capable for $399 shipped! If that thing made it a year it would be soo worth it! Tuning would be $550 from Trifecta (I think). Custom piping is $200 roughly. Cant really think of much else I would need.






http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWAX%3AIT
A quality turbo alone will cost over $500 - $900, so an "entire kit" for under $500 is scary.
Guys that build turbo'd Honda's has some of the cheapest parts available for any car and I knew guys building 'ebay' and 'craigslist' turbo kits for $1500-$2000.
The point I'm trying to make is them buying used and cheap parts still ran them that much, so there's no way we can be in that range for our cars.

Also, car-specific turbo kits are more money than piecing your own because their kits have piping with bends for your specific vehicle; something those generic kits wont have. If you have the ability to mandrel bend some aluminum pipe, then go ahead an just piece yours together, but otherwise you're paying someone else to make piping fitting to your car...

Also, regarding intercoolers, you for sure want one. They are technically optional, but its safer for your motor, you get more hp, your motor wont get heat-soaked as bad, etc etc.
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Old 08-16-2010, 10:18 AM   #382
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sts equivalent system, tuned by trifecta
Ball Bearing Journal Bearing Ebay
intercooler 500 210 80
wastegate 300 250 60
bov 300 250 50
tubing 300 300 180
turbo 1350 900 280
oil pump 400 400 400
tuning 500 500 500
oil lines 100 100 100
fittings 100 100 100
total 3850 3010 1750


Tubing would include j bends like the sts unversal kit so no mandrel bending is needed. Turbo prices are for garrett from www.atpturbo.com and ball bearing used more expensive bov and fmic for the heck of it.

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Old 08-16-2010, 02:53 PM   #383
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This was in a post back in July:

This may be do-able for less.. A place in town has a mustang turbo kit that claims its 650 hp capable for $399 shipped! If that thing made it a year it would be soo worth it! Tuning would be $550 from Trifecta (I think). Custom piping is $200 roughly. Cant really think of much else I would need.






http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWAX%3AIT

Please...Please...Please....DO NOT put this on your engine. Cheaply made Chinese turbos spinning at 50,000 + rpms will eventually lead to a catastrophic event - 9 out of 10 times, those impeller fragments are circulated through the oil system and end up destroying your motor. Trust me, it ain't worth it.

If you're going to build your own TT kit, you're looking at about $2,500-$3,000 for just the parts. If you're not mechanically inclined or don't have access to the proper tools, then buy the STS kit and be done with it. Guys who try to reinvent the wheel are usually the ones who end up paying for it in the end.
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Old 08-17-2010, 11:53 PM   #384
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Meth Injection/Boost Controller Installed

Just an update that I got the Meth Pump and Boost Controller installed. Trying to schedule a dyno time to test the boost controller and see if we can set it to 8 psi on high. Will have data logs off the dyno runs to have Trifecta work out the tunes. Here's some pictures from the install.
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Old 08-17-2010, 11:55 PM   #385
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Sweet! keep it up bro.
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Old 08-18-2010, 01:54 AM   #386
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Old 08-18-2010, 09:17 AM   #387
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Just an update that I got the Meth Pump and Boost Controller installed. Trying to schedule a dyno time to test the boost controller and see if we can set it to 8 psi on high. Will have data logs off the dyno runs to have Trifecta work out the tunes. Here's some pictures from the install.
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On that bottom pick with the boost controller, is that by or near the wastegate?
Speaking on which, where exactly is the wastegate? It is an external wastegate correct? That photo shows the only thing I dont like about going turbo...the vacuum lines! Oh well, a necessary evil.
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Old 08-18-2010, 11:43 AM   #388
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Yes, that is near the waste gate which is on the driver side of the car in the rear. Our system has the turbo off the passenger side exhaust pipe and the waste gate off the driver side exhaust pipe.

With no boost controller, all you have is a single line to the waste gate.
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Old 08-18-2010, 11:52 AM   #389
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damn Z, you are the man. I'm gonna have to get back out to the islands soon!
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Old 08-18-2010, 02:13 PM   #390
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so i have been following this on and off but I haven't seen any numbers of power to the rear wheels. anyone know how much it is putting down?
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go back to the first page, and read it again. the numbers are there.
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Old 08-18-2010, 02:20 PM   #392
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so i have been following this on and off but I haven't seen any numbers of power to the rear wheels. anyone know how much it is putting down?
About 350 rwhp at just under 5 psi. Scheduling a new dyno run to see how the meth injection and higher boost helps.
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Old 08-18-2010, 02:22 PM   #393
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i just re-read this and your other thread and see that. thanks. some good numbers no doubt..... now just have to save for a few years.....
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Old 08-18-2010, 02:38 PM   #394
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how is the lag when accelerating?
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Old 08-19-2010, 11:45 PM   #395
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Not bad. The turbo starts to spool pretty quickly and can get up to 5 psi by about 3,500 RPM's.
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Old 08-20-2010, 03:47 AM   #396
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now all you need is that 100 shot of NOS. that would be a LOT of tq.
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Old 08-23-2010, 08:01 AM   #397
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anything Camaro-related happen this weekend?
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Looking forward to the new 8psi meth numbers
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Old 08-23-2010, 07:59 PM   #399
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Okay, this is what happened this weekend. Scheduled dyno time on Saturday (same dyno pack). Did 2 pulls for a baseline and got essentially the same numbers as the last time, which is good. We start playing around with the Boost controller to try and set the high boost. Once we think we have it set at 7 psi., we attemp a run and but the car starts to seriously lean out quickly at about 3,500 rpm, so they dyno guy backs of quickly. One more try and same thing. We try to turn off high boost but we still have the same problem. Disconnect tube with MAF and meth injector and clean it out, but no change and then decided to stop the dyno (was being charged by the hour). Didn't have a chance to look at it on Sunday (autocross day) but did send info to STS and Trifecta for any input. Spoke to Rick at STS and received some information from Trifecta and I have some things to check out, but probably not until Tuesday evening.
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If the grand national gnx way back 1987 could handle 10psi does this mean at some point we could see 10 psi tunes?
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