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Old 11-13-2010, 09:52 PM   #576
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You'd better put on some slicks, since you spin your tires already. You're gonna smoke us all now.
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Old 11-14-2010, 12:20 AM   #577
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You'd better put on some slicks, since you spin your tires already. You're gonna smoke us all now.
Hey Kyle!

I guess the secret is out now. I am going to take it to Benchmark tuning this Saturday to see what it will dyno at. I am going to be there about noon. Maybe I'll see you there.

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Way to go. Another one joins the turbo club. Post the dynos as soon as you can, we'd all like to see them. I don't think any of the turbos have dynoed with these cooler temps.
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Old 11-14-2010, 12:46 PM   #579
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First off mad respect to Z for stepping up and doing all of this.
Was there ever a pic of the piping from the bottom of the car? Just curious about turbo placement.

Also I dont understand why it takes Meth injection to get above 5-6 psi? I mean I hail from the Toyota community where people are easily making double digit boost from either single or TT in the 2JZ engine. In fact most people running the 2JZ dont use meth unless they are above 20 psi. So why is Meth necessary at such a low pressure? And wouldn't a thicker head-gasket help lower the compression ratio allowing for higher boost nubmers?
I mean at the end of the day I am still a Noob but this stuff doesnt seem to add up to me
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I know there are pics somewhere of the piping underneath, but I don't know where at the moment. I will post pics of everything on Tuesday.
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First off mad respect to Z for stepping up and doing all of this.
Was there ever a pic of the piping from the bottom of the car? Just curious about turbo placement.

Also I dont understand why it takes Meth injection to get above 5-6 psi? I mean I hail from the Toyota community where people are easily making double digit boost from either single or TT in the 2JZ engine. In fact most people running the 2JZ dont use meth unless they are above 20 psi. So why is Meth necessary at such a low pressure? And wouldn't a thicker head-gasket help lower the compression ratio allowing for higher boost nubmers?
I mean at the end of the day I am still a Noob but this stuff doesnt seem to add up to me
Well I don't know anything about the 2JZ toyota engine, but I believe our issues here stem from the Direct Injection on this engine. If it weren't for that, I believe you wouldn't see some of the issues the LLT is having.

But its not like we need 20 psi anyways...heck...seems like 7 to 8 psi will get you in the 500+ crank horsepower club lol.
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Actually I believe it right now is considered a newer engine people are trying to work out. The fuel supply is being worked on. The compression ratio is around 11.5 to 1, which is in the unreal zone when you consider turbos or supercharging for the street. No, a thicker head gasket won't bring it down enough.
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I think meth on the STS is for those not using an IC. They also get a bump in octane at the time so they can run a little more timing.

These DI engines are definitely a different beast. usa1camaro1969 is right, with pretty low pressure we will get around 500 to the crank, but the fuel system can't sustain it right now. Once we get that licked, look out the V6ers are coming...
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Old 11-15-2010, 02:58 PM   #584
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2jz engine does not have the high compression ratio the LLT does. The Toyota motor also has an iron block while the LLT is aluminum block and heads. The iron block simply = more hp, boost, and compression it can handle relative to an aluminum block. Finally and most obv fact is 2JZ motor was designed WITH turbos. Toyota engineers developed the motor around being a boosted motor. Its always harder understanding limitations of a N/A motor that has been converted to Forced Induction.

Can we compile a list of people who have since gone FI on the v6's to date? Maybe not on this thread as Z has worked really hard on this and this thread should be devoted to his work. I think having that info in a new thread can help to track progress of each turbo project (and eventually we can compare notes on HP,TQ, 1/4 mil times, etc.

Last, I would like to know if anyone has contacts with companies serving imports (i.e. HKS, Greddy, AMS, APR,vinshu ect). My point is that while this motor is tricky by design, its still a motor that burns gasoline to make power. By tradition import cars have had similar limitations in the past and companies have overcome those limitations. While the v8's have had overwhelming success relative to our v6 is due to the motor being basically similar to something already on the market, but also because aftermarket companies serving up the parts specialize in that kind of motor. Not to discredit anything done by STS, but traditionally they work more on v8's rather than smaller displacement I4-v6 motors with high compression. The motors in our cars definitely fall more in line with stuff the import crowd is used to and I feel having a fresh set of eyes on this issue could help spot and correct limitations we are running into. I really think this is something we should try to explore and any distributors viewing these posts may have a good contact with some companies. That would cool!
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2jz engine does not have the high compression ratio the LLT does. The Toyota motor also has an iron block while the LLT is aluminum block and heads. The iron block simply = more hp, boost, and compression it can handle relative to an aluminum block. Finally and most obv fact is 2JZ motor was designed WITH turbos. Toyota engineers developed the motor around being a boosted motor. Its always harder understanding limitations of a N/A motor that has been converted to Forced Induction.

Can we compile a list of people who have since gone FI on the v6's to date? Maybe not on this thread as Z has worked really hard on this and this thread should be devoted to his work. I think having that info in a new thread can help to track progress of each turbo project (and eventually we can compare notes on HP,TQ, 1/4 mil times, etc.

Last, I would like to know if anyone has contacts with companies serving imports (i.e. HKS, Greddy, AMS, APR,vinshu ect). My point is that while this motor is tricky by design, its still a motor that burns gasoline to make power. By tradition import cars have had similar limitations in the past and companies have overcome those limitations. While the v8's have had overwhelming success relative to our v6 is due to the motor being basically similar to something already on the market, but also because aftermarket companies serving up the parts specialize in that kind of motor. Not to discredit anything done by STS, but traditionally they work more on v8's rather than smaller displacement I4-v6 motors with high compression. The motors in our cars definitely fall more in line with stuff the import crowd is used to and I feel having a fresh set of eyes on this issue could help spot and correct limitations we are running into. I really think this is something we should try to explore and any distributors viewing these posts may have a good contact with some companies. That would cool!
I'll start a thread called "LLT FI List." We are getting enough with turbos and NO2 to make it easier to compare and share information. If we get enough info maybe a mod could make it a sticky? Added benefit is Z gets his thread back!
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Old 11-15-2010, 09:02 PM   #586
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I just recently bought a faceplated 6 speed for one of my projects for the exact reasons you guys are having issues. But for the majority of daily drivers wont like the "feel" of a face plated trans. You have to take into account motor regardless of cylinders and size, more power equals upgrades to the rest of the car to work right.

My plans for my v6 car involve a big block and a face plated t56, and hopefully a solid axle conversion. I will probably end up changing out alot of things on the car in the end but with my limited budget and me doing the work I plan on building a new camaro the way I want it and not paying ALOT at once. I am mainly buying the v6 car to get a street legal body in white car that I dont have to piece together. And in the color I want
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Hey all, don't worry bout the thread Jack. I'm just glad people are stepping up and turbo-ing these bad boys!

And yes STS has a front mount intercooler.

Meth is not required but is preferred due to the "unchartered territory" we are moving not. It's not the meth injection that is causing any problems, it is mostly the ECM and Fuel system. First had trouble reading the airflow at higher psi then once that was corrected, lack of fuel at high WOT and some excessive oil blow by.
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Hey all, don't worry bout the thread Jack. I'm just glad people are stepping up and turbo-ing these bad boys!

And yes STS has a front mount intercooler.

Meth is not required but is preferred due to the "unchartered territory" we are moving not. It's not the meth injection that is causing any problems, it is mostly the ECM and Fuel system. First had trouble reading the airflow at higher psi then once that was corrected, lack of fuel at high WOT and some excessive oil blow by.

That oil blow-by annoys me. Searching other threads you will see some LLT's (FI or not) are consuming oil, its coming up the breather, and a couple cars have even run low enough to pop the motor. (whether that is a human error or not remains to be unseen) But I personally have had to add oil to the motor before a 3000-mi-interval oil change, which I was very annoyed about.
I also will be installing a catch can soon.

But either way this problem needs to be addressed if we have aspirations of motors making power on FI.
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That oil blow-by annoys me. Searching other threads you will see some LLT's (FI or not) are consuming oil, its coming up the breather, and a couple cars have even run low enough to pop the motor. (whether that is a human error or not remains to be unseen) But I personally have had to add oil to the motor before a 3000-mi-interval oil change, which I was very annoyed about.
I also will be installing a catch can soon.

But either way this problem needs to be addressed if we have aspirations of motors making power on FI.
After noticing my oil pressure gage seemed to be reading low I checked my oil and it was so low that I had to add 3 qts. 2 of our motors have popped thus far but we think it is due to sabotage. Haters draining the oil out. It only happened to 2 cars. The 2 cars that were in a dark lot every thursday night for a soft ball game. After one motor had been replaced my brother took it back to the dealer complaining that there was no oil on the dipstick and they noticed the drain plug which was brand new had rounded edges-haters gonna hate I guess. Check ur oil regularly guys. Now back to the regularly scheduled thread....
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Quoting pretty old post, but it's relavent to my concern.

The oil pump is LOUD. I never imagined it would be as loud as it is. If i have my stero at a normal volume (not loud), I can still hear the oil pump. I am thinking about wrapping the pump with sound deading material, lots of it!

Does anyone know if the oil pump actually needs airflow at all. I don't think it does, because currently it is sealed behind a panel in my front right wheel well. I just want to get other people's thought before I encase the oil pump in a mass of sound deadening material.

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Actually, its pretty loud in the cabin. Particularly the oil pump. At idle, the oil pump is very noticeable. When driving, the turbo is quite noticible from in the car, particularly the spooling and the wastegate but its actually pretty cool. My stereo has been pretty much off while I am still in the test and tune process, but I don't think you would mind hearing that turbo spooling under load!

And I agree with SCRMING, heat not an issue since Turbo is in the rear. We don't have FAR to drive on the island but do spend a bit of time in stop and go traffic. Plan to do an around the island cruise on Sunday so will let you know if heat is an issue. If you are driving on the freeway between NC and FL, can't see heat from the Turbo as an issue unless you are boosting at 7 psi the whole way, but then you probably have other "heat" issues to worry about.
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Shouldnt be an issue yes the pump is loud. Is it solidly mounted? making rubber bushings may help.
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Shouldnt be an issue yes the pump is loud. Is it solidly mounted? making rubber bushings may help.
The pump comes with rubber mounts. Its not the vibration being the issue, its the pumping running is what you are hearing. I would think maybe building a small box around it and insulating the box so you are keeping the pump cool, thats what we are going to do.
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Yeah, building a little box sounds like the best bet.
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there are other pumps that should be much more quite. i'm looking into alternatives.
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there are other pumps that should be much more quite. i'm looking into alternatives.

This is interesting, I have not heard my oil pump. I hear the "clicking" noise that comes from the fuel rail, but not the oil pump.
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This is interesting, I have not heard my oil pump. I hear the "clicking" noise that comes from the fuel rail, but not the oil pump.
This is for the oil pump returning the oil from the turbo back to the motor.
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This is for the oil pump returning the oil from the turbo back to the motor.
Ahh, I didnt know MyWorld was turbo'd. Makes sense now.
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Z, do you have another thread started up showing alot of pictures of your car?

All of us in this thread need to push on the moderators to make your car COTW. Call me a hater, but every week it seems like COTW is always a supercharged SS with 1 or 2 unique things, but I'm a little irked this week because the car is just a Callaway. bought as is. I dont get tired of seeing supercharged SS's as COTW (while they all seem pretty vanilla to me at this point due to how similar each one is to the other), but Im not sure I see the reason to award COTW to someone who just buys something.

I feel a sooped-up v6 is overdue anyways as COTW. Z, you're our man. Plus I just want to see all the things done to your car anyway.

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Z, do you have another thread started up showing alot of pictures of your car?

All of us in this thread need to push on the moderators to make your car COTW. Call me a hater, but every week it seems like COTW is always a supercharged SS with 1 or 2 unique things, but I'm a little irked this week because the car is just a Callaway. bought as is. I dont get tired of seeing supercharged SS's as COTW (while they all seem pretty vanilla to me at this point due to how similar each one is to the other), but Im not sure I see the reason to award COTW to someone who just buys something.

I feel a sooped-up v6 is overdue anyways as COTW. Z, you're our man. Plus I just want to see all the things done to your car anyway.

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I agree!

I think Z needs to create a thread in the Member Journals section so we can bug the mods about it. If everyone that has contributed to this thread give his journal a 5-star rating it would be hard to ignore.
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Is that how you get a COTW? I never though to start a build thread. I have one last major piece to mount, my front facia, then the car will look really sharp. Too be honest, I stopped looking at the COTW long ago as it seemed like same cars over and over. I'd vote for Gretchen once it actually runs..... oh the anticipation is killing me!
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