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Old 09-22-2010, 06:03 PM   #18
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So im a complete noob when it comes to gears and transmission talk. I was doing a little reading up on your guys richmond 4.33 gears, and Im a little skeptical about that huge gain in torque. Is it that noticeable? And as far as the install goes what all would it require as other parts go?
There is nothing to be skeptical about, the gains from swapping to a more aggressive gear set are widely known and the change is very noticeable. We recommend the Richmond full installation kit because many of our customers are discovering surprising amounts of wear when they are making their swaps. While the rear end is out it is also the perfect time to upgrade your rear differential bushings as well but its not required.
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Old 09-22-2010, 09:09 PM   #19
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Is there any difference as far as drivability? Will I need a new tune to compensate for the new gear ratio, and how will effect power as far as low end or top end? Sorry for all the questions ha
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Old 09-22-2010, 09:10 PM   #20
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O and what is the difference as far as a 4.10 and the 4.33 go?
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Old 09-23-2010, 06:28 AM   #21
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Is there any difference as far as drivability? Will I need a new tune to compensate for the new gear ratio, and how will effect power as far as low end or top end? Sorry for all the questions ha
The only impact on driveability is cruising RPM, the lower the gear (which is expressed as a higher number; 4.33 is lower than 4.10) the higher RPM you will run at cruising speeds. Depending on whether you have a manual or an auto and how you plan to use your car has a big impact on what ratio you should be looking at.

The only adjustments needed are to have your speedo recalibrated but a performance tune isn't needed.

The gears will have a significant impact across the entire power band. Acceleration is dramatically improved. You will lose a few MPH off the top end but does it really matter that your car tops out at 155 instead of 160?
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Old 09-23-2010, 06:31 AM   #22
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O and what is the difference as far as a 4.10 and the 4.33 go?
You will get about 5% more improvement from the 4.33s, but you will run a couple of hundred RPMs higher at cruising speed. This all assumes your car is a M6, if you have an auto I would not recommend 4.33s.
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Old 09-23-2010, 08:26 PM   #23
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what do u suggest for the auto?
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Old 09-23-2010, 08:45 PM   #24
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what do u suggest for the auto?
For the A6 I recommend 3.73s for most applications due to the more aggressive gearing of the automatic transmission. By upgrading the factory 3.27s in the stock A6 equipped Camaro SS to the 3.73s you will realize an equivalent torque gain of approximately 15% or 61.5 rear wheel lb.-ft. of torque. Cruising RPM at 70 MPH only increases from about 1800 to 2050.
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Old 10-02-2010, 11:14 AM   #25
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I have a 6 speed so the 4.33 is the way to go?

Roughly at say 80mph in 6th gear would you be around 2500?

It doesnt make a difference if its superchared correct?

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Old 10-02-2010, 03:49 PM   #26
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I have a 6 speed so the 4.33 is the way to go?

Roughly at say 80mph in 6th gear would you be around 2500?

It doesnt make a difference if its superchared correct?

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At 80mph in a M6 equipped SS with 4.33s you will be turning just a tick over 2300rpm. 4.10s run just under 2200rpm at 80mph.

If you are planning on going with forced induction I would recommend going with 4.10 over 4.33. If you plan on going above the 550-600rwhp range I would possibly even dial it back to 3.73.
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Old 10-06-2010, 05:16 PM   #27
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4.33s and an install kit are on the way to a Camaro5 member in Connecticut. Thanks for the order!
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I have approx. 420+ rwhp., getting cam upgrade that I expect will take me to well over 460rwhp., and then next summer planning up upgrading to a SuperCharger, new clutch, gears and possibly driveshaft.
Hearing about 3.45's to 3.73's (auto), to 4.10's (m6), and now the 4.33's. With these high power upgrades, how does someone determine the best performing / strongest gears to choose? Thanks.
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Old 10-17-2010, 07:57 PM   #30
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I have approx. 420+ rwhp., getting cam upgrade that I expect will take me to well over 460rwhp., and then next summer planning up upgrading to a SuperCharger, new clutch, gears and possibly driveshaft.
Hearing about 3.45's to 3.73's (auto), to 4.10's (m6), and now the 4.33's. With these high power upgrades, how does someone determine the best performing / strongest gears to choose? Thanks.
If you are already looking at the mid 400 range and planning on adding forced induction then I would go with 3.73s. Go lower than that and you are going to start having traction and strength issues.
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If you are already looking at the mid 400 range and planning on adding forced induction then I would go with 3.73s. Go lower than that and you are going to start having traction and strength issues.
Thnaks, for response.
Obvioulsy, 3.73's would be the next ratio from stock, but more specifically why 3.73's instead of 4.10's or the 4.35's?
With that much power, doesn't it make sense to better utilize the RPM's with a larger gear kit vs a smaller gear set.
Additionally, I would be getting them properly dialed in by my tuner, so obvioulsy would be sycronizing speed, tq, rpm's to the new gears. Tires would stay the same for now.
Are the 3.73's stronger than the bigger gears, is that really the deciding factor? I'm reading alot about peeps breaking up their 4.10's with high tq / hp vehicles.
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Old 10-17-2010, 10:36 PM   #32
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my question is similiar,

right now i'm pushing over 625RWTQ, i am changing the axels to 1000+ and i was going to upgrade to the 4.33 for a better start. my 60' is right at 1.9 and with the 4.33 i was hoping to get 1.4 or so,

why would i want to go to the 3.73 would that not decrease my RWTQ
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Thnaks, for response.
Obvioulsy, 3.73's would be the next ratio from stock, but more specifically why 3.73's instead of 4.10's or the 4.35's?
With that much power, doesn't it make sense to better utilize the RPM's with a larger gear kit vs a smaller gear set.
Additionally, I would be getting them properly dialed in by my tuner, so obvioulsy would be sycronizing speed, tq, rpm's to the new gears. Tires would stay the same for now.
Are the 3.73's stronger than the bigger gears, is that really the deciding factor? I'm reading alot about peeps breaking up their 4.10's with high tq / hp vehicles.
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my question is similiar,

right now i'm pushing over 625RWTQ, i am changing the axels to 1000+ and i was going to upgrade to the 4.33 for a better start. my 60' is right at 1.9 and with the 4.33 i was hoping to get 1.4 or so,

why would i want to go to the 3.73 would that not decrease my RWTQ

You guys are in a similar boat. Keep in mind that when I make recommendations here on the forums it is without knowing what your particular setup is (unless you fill me in or are a regular customer) so I have to make a lot of assumptions and play it safe. Generally people drive these cars daily and have focused on building power and don't have the appropriate suspension and supporting mods. For a more hardcore application with the appropriate supporting mods you can go with a more aggressive gear than 3.73 but there are a lot of things to consider. Is one gear set going to cause you to have to make an extra gear change or even shift into over drive where another won't? Do you have the appropriate supporting mods? Can you afford the down time and expense if the more aggressive gears do grenade? These are all questions I can not answer for you.

advfire, 3.73s will not cause you to lose torque. They are more aggressive than stock so you will see an improvement.
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For a more hardcore application with the appropriate supporting mods you can go with a more aggressive gear than 3.73 but there are a lot of things to consider. Is one gear set going to cause you to have to make an extra gear change or even shift into over drive where another won't? Do you have the appropriate supporting mods? Can you afford the down time and expense if the more aggressive gears do grenade? These are all questions I can not answer for you.
I have done some suspension mods; Race springs, sway bars, end-links, chassis brace, strut brace. The next step for me is going to be Pfadt bushings kit (engine, control arms, diff, chassis, and balance bar...). Are these the type of supporting mods you're referring to. I don't mind doing the necessary additional mods if I know what they are.

Basically, looking to maximize on a good match for the the other power upgrades (CAM, CAI, Exhaust, headers, superchargers), to go along with new gears and a new clutch.

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