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Old 07-01-2010, 05:02 AM   #1
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Road Racing Alignment Setup for the 2010 Camaro

Hey everyone!

I'm going to my first autocross event (since I gave up my Gen3 to have kids) and am wondering if any members have/know what a good alignment setup would be for the 2SS/RS? Has anyone autocrossed/roadraced their car yet?

I'm not looking for all-out agressive setups, still would like to be able to drive it on the streets and get (reasonably) good wear on the P-Zeros (since there're no 20" R-compound tires out there, yet).

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Old 07-01-2010, 05:14 AM   #2
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http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71994

Good info in the sticky
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Old 07-01-2010, 06:29 PM   #3
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Hey everyone!

I'm going to my first autocross event (since I gave up my Gen3 to have kids) and am wondering if any members have/know what a good alignment setup would be for the 2SS/RS? Has anyone autocrossed/roadraced their car yet?

I'm not looking for all-out agressive setups, still would like to be able to drive it on the streets and get (reasonably) good wear on the P-Zeros (since there're no 20" R-compound tires out there, yet).

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Tell us about your mods first

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Old 07-03-2010, 12:57 PM   #4
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No suspension mods at this time, stock height and parts. I'll probably get this done over the winter time. For now, I just want to get used to the car's sight lines and "feel".

The mods I have in mind will be simple front & rear bars only. I like the stock ride height and cushy ride too much.

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Old 07-03-2010, 12:58 PM   #5
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Thanks for the link MisterCamaro69! Good info on that thread. Saved me a tonne of time searching through the forums.
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Old 07-03-2010, 04:39 PM   #6
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No suspension mods at this time, stock height and parts. I'll probably get this done over the winter time. For now, I just want to get used to the car's sight lines and "feel".

The mods I have in mind will be simple front & rear bars only. I like the stock ride height and cushy ride too much.

Thanks.
The challenge with the aggressive settings like we have on the zPedders Camaro, is the major differences there are in Geometry changes between OE and say a fully Peddersized Camaro. You will handle much better, but your tires will suffer for sure

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Old 07-06-2010, 12:08 PM   #7
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Avalnch, this is a copy of our post in that thread that was linked to. This will outline our recommended settings for various uses.

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Old 07-06-2010, 04:21 PM   #8
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Interesting suggestions in the thread. We take a very different approach.

Front
Camber -2 to 2.5
Toe - OUT .25 to 1

Rear
Camber - Half the front value
Toe - Zero

You can get from OE to these numbers without buying anything. You'll find the car turns in much better and the on center steering feel is greatly improved. These numbers will wear tires. My RE-11 180 tread wear tires will get about 14K VERY HARD miles of life using these settings above. You can dial these back and get better tire life using these numbers.

Front
Camber - -1.5
Toe - OUT .10

Rear
Camber - Half the front value
Toe - Zero

Again, you will find your on center steering feel improved. Cutting rear camber to half the front will reduce understeer. Your P Zeros will wear well. Not as good as OE specs, maybe 20 to 25% faster, but much of that wear will be due to thoroughly enjoyable aggressive driving.
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Old 07-06-2010, 06:38 PM   #9
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Interesting suggestions in the thread. We take a very different approach.

Front
Camber -2 to 2.5
Toe - OUT .25 to 1

Rear
Camber - Half the front value
Toe - Zero

You can get from OE to these numbers without buying anything. You'll find the car turns in much better and the on center steering feel is greatly improved. These numbers will wear tires. My RE-11 180 tread wear tires will get about 14K VERY HARD miles of life using these settings above. You can dial these back and get better tire life using these numbers.

Front
Camber - -1.5
Toe - OUT .10

Rear
Camber - Half the front value
Toe - Zero

Again, you will find your on center steering feel improved. Cutting rear camber to half the front will reduce understeer. Your P Zeros will wear well. Not as good as OE specs, maybe 20 to 25% faster, but much of that wear will be due to thoroughly enjoyable aggressive driving.
Thanks, JusticePete!

These numbers are very similar to my previous Gen3 setup (if my aging memory serves me right). Just gotta tweak the rear and I think I'll be good to go!
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Old 07-13-2010, 07:44 PM   #10
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We definitely want to encourage as many people as possible to attend track events with their Camaros!

Hotchkis quick facts:


· With stock and our sport coils we have seen minute ride height variances, with most cars at or under 1/16” and only one with a corner measurement variance of 1/8”


· Even after 1000’s of punishing street and track miles we have not seen our sport coils settle. We design our coil springs to be low stressed and spec high tensile excellent quality steel to eliminate any possibility of material fatigue. Our coils are preset during manufacturing, compressed to coil bind to ensure proper load height, shot peened to relieve material stress and most important, are made in the USA.


· So far we have not found it necessary to grind out any alignment holes to achieve a proper street/track performance alignment.


Alignment specs for the 2010 Camaro SS:


STOCK SPECIFICATIONS-STOCK SPRINGS

FRONT:

· CAMBER: 0° to -1.6°

· CASTER 6.70° - 7.10°

· TOE: 0 TO 1/8” TOTAL TOE IN

REAR:

· CAMBER: 0° to -1.0°

· TOE: 0 TO 1/8” TOTAL TOE IN


MEASUREMENT MINIMUMS & MAXIMUMS FOR HOTCHKIS SPORT COIL EQUIPPED VEHICLES


These are not our recommended alignment specs. They represent the alignment range possible with our sport coils installed.

Note the increased neg. camber of the lowered car is beneficial to performance handling.


FRONT:

· CAMBER: -0.4° to -2.6°

REAR:

· CAMBER: -0.7° to -1.8°


HOTCHKIS PERFORMANCE STREET SETUP

FRONT:

· CAMBER: -1° to -1.4°

· CASTER 7.00° - 7.50°

· TOE: 1/16” TOTAL TOE IN

REAR:

· CAMBER: -0.8°

· TOE: 1/16” to 1/8” TOTAL TOE IN


HOTCHKIS TRACK DAY/STREET SETUP

FRONT:

· CAMBER: -2.0° to - 2.5°

· CASTER 7.00° - 7.50°

· TOE: 0 to 1/16” TOTAL TOE IN

REAR:

· CAMBER: -1.0° to - 1.25°

· TOE: 1/16” to 1/8” TOTAL TOE IN


We determined our recommended alignment settings through street and track testing using the stock Pirelli tires. These settings are a great place to start offering acceptable tire wear and grip in a variety of performance driving conditions. Driving styles, track condition, tire selection, tire pressure and most importantly tire temperatures across the face of the tire are the determining factors of final alignment settings.
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Old 07-23-2010, 01:33 AM   #11
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Great info. Thanks guys
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Old 07-27-2010, 04:01 PM   #12
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Great info. Thanks guys
So how did the alignment turn out?

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Old 08-04-2010, 11:13 PM   #13
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Old 08-11-2010, 02:54 PM   #14
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What does a typical alignment like this cost and will your everyday Firestone or Tires Plus provide a quality alignment? I can't find any performace shops in West Palm Beach FL that do alignments.

I'm shooting for the following with +2" Pedders coilover drop.
Front Camber -1
Front Toe -.05

Rear Camber -.5
Rear Toe -.05
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Every shop is different, I run a Firestone Store(Expert Tire Branded) in Westfield Mass, this is where we do all of our installs out of. We are the only corporate store in the country that is authorized to install Pedders Suspension.

I'm 100% confident that we can handle any alignments for anyone's Camaro. With that said, not all stores are going to be able to do this, we are a little bit of a unique position with our crew and myself being experienced. The advantage of the Corporate backing and equipment doesn't hurt either. Your best bet is to call the store and ask for the store manager, tell him what you have, and ask him if he thought he could handle the job properly, understanding that you know the cost would be a bit more than a standard alignment. Ask him if he has any problem getting a lowered car on the alignment rack.

I am more than happy to field phone calls from any Firestone/Tires Plus stores nation wide and give them tips and help when needed. I can be reached via phone at the shop 413-568-8981 or via cell phone 860-281-5519. I don't typically answer my cell during the day, but i do ask that unless you are having a Firestone store call me, or are calling about bringing your Camaro to me that you call my cell phone and not the shop phone.

I'd say 100-150 for a top quality alignment would be acceptable, more if you have the front adjuster bolts installed and honed out for caster adjustment. While you are going to have many people on here say that joe smoes alignment shop does it for 49.95, Firestone is not Joe Smoes, and things do cost a bit more than a small mom and pop at times like this when extra care is needed.
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Thanks for the info Rob!!! I'll make some calls tomorrow.
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Old 08-11-2010, 06:14 PM   #17
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Personally, I have had quite a few alignments done (more than 5) to test out settings on the autox track in my area.

I am close to what JusticePete has recommended. that seems to work the best for the way I like the feel of the car.

Toe out is preferred in the front, 0 toe rear. with a little toe out, car is stable at speed. Toe in and it gets nervous... 1/16" toe in should give you 0 toe when at speed. (I have 1/4" toe out in front, 0 toe in rear)

All of the other settings are pretty equal between everyone's posts above.

More negative camber handles better - downfall is tire wear.
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Between 570HP-LPE and Rob@WretchedMS you guys don't need me. They are dead nuts spot on.
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