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Old 07-02-2010, 11:35 AM   #1
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Whats up with all the negative L99 stereotype?

People saying they feel slower, quieter than the LS3's? Cars feeling sleepy and not so willing to get up and go? True, there was that fuse-pull issue. True, the automatics are marginally heavier and are slightly detuned.

But are they not supposed to be a tick quicker to 60 and a tick slower through the 1/4 mile, all the while pulling more consistent results? Is the L99, at the end of the day, not a performance engine as well?

What do you think?

I think its all in people's heads. Its not like your butt can feel a 0.1 second difference anyway. If someone got out of an L99 any less satisfied than if it were an LS3, that person probably had the intention of not liking it to begin with.

Yes, I have an L99 on order, and I am damn proud of it!


(Note: please dont turn this into an LS3 vs L99 thread. I just want to clear up any possible, undeserved misonceptions regarding the SS automatics.)
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Old 07-02-2010, 11:39 AM   #2
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I thinks it's just people with the feeling of it's not really sports car if it doesn't have a manual transmission. And also the fact that it is a few HP short. But as long as you are happy with your car, I wouldn't worry about the negative annotation people are giving.
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Old 07-02-2010, 11:40 AM   #3
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If its faster 0-60 who cares? These arent the old days when Autos where not very good.
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Old 07-02-2010, 11:42 AM   #4
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I have an L99 and have 18,000 miles on it now, you've got nothing to be concerned with. I'd put my automatic against a manual anytime, with a little tweaking a few performance parts, and a well broke in engine, it will just come down to driving skills and I know the automatic will be consistant...nuff said
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Old 07-02-2010, 11:45 AM   #5
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Please its just as loud...and the Auto trans are FAST these days. Most Vettes seem to be auto, as are M3 and M5 with that DCT/auto/manual combo thing, etc. auto trans are fast and smooth these days, this isn't 1990 automatic trans anymore. save it!
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Old 07-02-2010, 12:05 PM   #6
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I just hit 1800 miles on my L99 2SS and I really enjoy it. I always drive it in Sport so I can play with the paddle shifter when I want to, but it's nice to let the car do the work when I want to sit back and relax. The only thing I wish was different was that instead of paddles it was an auto stick- it would be nice to have the shifter in the same place as the manual since some times it can be hard to get the right gear you want when you are in the corners.
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Old 07-02-2010, 12:08 PM   #7
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Well I know Ive added a few mods and I get a rush everytime I mash it!
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Old 07-02-2010, 12:12 PM   #8
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my L99 is a little too loud and gets to 60 MPH in 3.8 seconds
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Old 07-02-2010, 12:45 PM   #9
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Its all perception. A lot of old heads like me, seem to think that anything associated with an automatic transmission is for the less ability inclined.

I say hogwash! Today's technolgy does a lot more than many understand. The acceleration times as tested (not percieved) are so close it is a toss up for most folks.

Be bold, Stand up and Say You are darn proud of what you have!

It boils down to personal needs and choices. Had I needed to drive my car every day to work, I would have gone L99 and Auto.
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Old 07-02-2010, 12:48 PM   #10
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The 'stigma' was created back when so many cars had the low spark timing issue before the fuse pull and the fix. Some people still mess with me even today. NOT a stigma I want, but will forever be with me in this community.

I think a lot of that still is in the backs of many peoples minds. Kinda like 'First impressions last a long time'.

Plus, the fact that a manual tranny can engage a lot quicker so the tires spin easier. Certainly not conducive to winning in the race, but more flamboyant. Hence, more outwardly desireable.

Sure, AFM sucks, but it's not necessarily the L99 that has the bad rap, but the dumbed down tranny.
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Old 07-02-2010, 12:53 PM   #11
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If its faster 0-60 who cares? These arent the old days when Autos where not very good.
I'm not trying to put you down or make fun, but when where those days? In the old days- and in many cases today- automatic transmissions ruled the dragstrip. An automatic gives more easily repeatable and generally quicker 1/4 mile times than a manual box, technological ghee-whiz notwithstanding

Manual boxes tend to be lighter and potentially more robust; plus there's no fluid coupling to absorb hp, but...back in the day, a TH400 was a fine transmission and handled much more torque than a '10 Camaro SS puts out
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Old 07-02-2010, 12:57 PM   #12
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This is my L99 and I think it sounds meaner then most LS3's i've heard
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Old 07-02-2010, 01:04 PM   #13
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I didn't know there was anything negative about my L99 whooping the crap out of an LS3? Am I getting left off the email notifications again?
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Old 07-02-2010, 01:06 PM   #14
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I didn't know there was anything negative about my L99 whooping the crap out of an LS3? Am I getting left off the email notifications again?
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Old 07-02-2010, 01:09 PM   #15
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At the camaro5fest it was the manual Camaros that were blowing parts off the line. The old days of 3 spd std , 4 spd std or 2 speed powerglide are over...... I love my A6 SS.
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Old 07-02-2010, 01:10 PM   #16
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I loved my L99 stock and I love it even more now with it having the JRE Street Package and Tuned by Ted Jannetty himself.
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Old 07-02-2010, 01:12 PM   #17
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I love my L99....would not trade it for the world. I had nothing but manual cars for years. I have driven lots of autos too! For me the L99 is FUN!!
Also, for good measure.....IOM...IOM....IOM!!!!!!!!
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Old 07-02-2010, 01:13 PM   #18
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I've driven both. I Love my manual no doubt about it. But I drove Randy's "slow" Camaro and even after driving my supercharged car every day, I'm still impressed with the power of a stock Camaro... Without a doubt.

I think some people assume that if you drive a stick you are more of a "purist" or a better technical driver. But in the end that is, like the op said, in your head...

Both are performance cars, both are fast, sexy and a ton of fun to drive...

IMO one is not greater than the other...
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Old 07-02-2010, 01:15 PM   #19
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At the camaro5fest it was the manual Camaros that were blowing parts off the line. The old days of 3 spd std , 4 spd std or 2 speed powerglide are over...... I love my A6 SS.
One car... ONLY one car broke at the fest...

but it was an LS3 and I think he toasted the clutch if I remember... Not really a broken part...

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Old 07-02-2010, 01:15 PM   #20
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I've got over 17,000 miles on my L99. I drove manual transmission Camaros from 1983 until last year when I bought the L99, so I think I understand what people mean by the L99 feeling "sleepy" or having less get up and go.

I think it has less to do with the actual power avaialble in the car and more about the transmissions themselves. With a stick, you physically put it in gear and then mash the pedal. The car's reaction is more instantaneous...you think, "I want to go fast...(hit the clutch, shift down, let out the clutch...)...NOW!"...and mash on the gas pedal and it just GOES!

With the L99, we have almost the same amount of power, but the sequence of things is a bit different...you think, " I want to go fast...NOW!"...and at the same time, mash on the gas pedal. Then the engine and transmission get the message and the car down shifts, there's a slight delay while the car hunkers down, and then it just GOES!

So not as instantaneous...but still very quick. My but dyno can easily tell the diffreence between being in a manual car vs. an automatic, but both feel great in my book.

When I use the tap-shift mode, it very closely approximates the sensation of a manual tranny car--it's not exactly the same, but closer than most LS3 owners (many of whom have not driven the L99) will admit. Just no clutch...otherwise, the acceleration-on-demand feeling is very, very comparable to other manual Camaros I've driven.

I chose the L99 because it is my daily driver, I spend a LOT of time in traffic, and I have "been there, done that" with manual transmissions, so I don't feel the need to drive a stick-shift anymore--have had enough of that!

So for all you L99 owners...I hope you're enjoying your cars and not worrying too much about what other people think. It's got a ton of power, goes really fast, handles great, and will give other stock cars in it's class a serious run for their money at the track. Once you start talking about modded cars, all bets are off anyway.

I mean...with enough cash, you can make an 18-wheeler pull fast times in the 1/4 mile, right?
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Old 07-02-2010, 01:16 PM   #21
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Both are performance cars, both are fast, sexy and a ton of fun to drive...

IMO one is not greater than the other...

Thats what I was trying to say!!!!
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Old 07-02-2010, 01:23 PM   #22
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Even though I have only owned stick shifts all my life and currently drive a LS3, there is nothing wrong with the L99.

The L99 is quicker, but the LS3 is faster in the end, on the other hand the L99 gives you a little better gas mileage.

It is a personal choice... I don't think one is better than the other.

Oh and the LS3 has one of the cheapest clutches known to mankind...
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Old 07-02-2010, 01:24 PM   #23
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Thats what I was trying to say!!!!
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Old 07-02-2010, 01:33 PM   #24
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I like my L99 and it will be converted into an LS3 spec's. As far as an auto compared to a manual: if i do this again i'll be getting a manual for sure
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One car... ONLY one car broke at the fest...

but it was an LS3 and I think he toasted the clutch if I remember... Not really a broken part...

I saw two LS3's not make it to the end. Someone said driveshaft "bolts" snapped on one.
Also, I sure loved my Auto in stop & go heavy traffic on I-95 on my trip to South Florida and back.
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