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Old 07-02-2010, 06:26 PM   #51
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Had my Camaro since 11/6, and 3500+ miles... I love this engine. I think both engines are too quiet, when stock... you need to get a CAI, at least, to give some sound to your engine (no matter which). From day 1 (3 miles), this engine has run like a monster (the brutally fast kind)!

I do miss rowing through the gears, and the tap shift just isn't/won't ever be the same. :(
But I don't miss the damn clutch in LA traffic.
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Old 07-02-2010, 06:36 PM   #52
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Never doubted the L99. Good to know so many people are satisfied with theirs - I've driven one and I know once mine is in I couldnt be happier.

Unless, there comes our way a Z28 auto.......................
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Old 07-02-2010, 06:41 PM   #53
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Never doubted the L99. Good to know so many people are satisfied with theirs - I've driven one and I know once mine is in I couldnt be happier.

Unless, there comes our way a Z28 auto.......................
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Old 07-02-2010, 07:23 PM   #54
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I want the extra horsepower of the LS3, I want the fuel mileage of the L99 and I want the neck snapping shift of an automatic tranny with a shift kit. In time I will get it after the warranty is gone.
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Both are performance cars, both are fast, sexy and a ton of fun to drive...

True. I've driven both stock and prefer my LS3. I don't really have enough seat time to become comfortably playful with the L99, but that will change soon.

Now once the mods begin... tbd...
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Old 07-02-2010, 09:38 PM   #56
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I have an L99 and have 18,000 miles on it now, you've got nothing to be concerned with. I'd put my automatic against a manual anytime, with a little tweaking a few performance parts, and a well broke in engine, it will just come down to driving skills and I know the automatic will be consistant...nuff said
DITTO! (Except for the 18K miles thing...I only have 7800) I've beat every LS3 I've come up against so far. I did get beat by another L99 with more mods than mine though....guess I'll have to work on that!
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Old 07-02-2010, 11:02 PM   #57
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Old 07-03-2010, 02:13 AM   #58
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My now 10,000 mile slushbox is damn fast stock. It's got that neck popping get up and go. You will outrun 95% or more of the manuals out there (Well their drivers anyway), despite what everyone claims they are not professional drivers.
The Auto is perfect... Every time... and they are not.
Be happy with that slushbox my friend and welcome to the club
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I outran a LS3 guy because he missed a shift, he felt embarrassed when we talked about it afterwards. "L99's never miss".....is the phrase I quote.
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see people really/ truly do not understand how much better the car feels in daily driving with a manual... you feel the low end TQ better. auto are not good sports car, man reason is you are missing the feel of the car...

people are always say ... ya lambos and porsche are autos and there are faster then manual.... man this really gets me fired up

auto = sport mode

lambo = padel shifters, with duel clutch systems... not the same as a auto
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Old 07-03-2010, 02:57 AM   #60
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Wow, According to the numbers, I guess there are a lot of unskilled, stupid people, who bought the "unsportscar" version of the Camaro
I have driven manual transmissions for 24 years. I Got my Camaro with the L99, and I can honestly say, that I do not for one single second, regret having the A6 in this Camaro. Yes, at first I was worried about the questions to my manhood if I got the L99. But, the wife does not drive stick and I am very pleased with the A6. Either way the bottom line, is that there is a reason why car companies make these kind of vehicles with the choice of manual or auto. "To each their own". I had a blast test driving a M6 Camaro. But I'm sure not having any less fun everytime, I hammer down on the A6 I ended up purchasing. I certainly don't think the L99 owners "Permagrin" is any less than the LS3 owners. Whichever one you own, be proud of it and mash that Accelerator pedal!!!!
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Anytime you think it's slow. Get someone to take you for a ride. I let my son drive mine. Scared the hell out of me!

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Old 07-03-2010, 08:38 AM   #62
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the wife does not drive stick
Now there's the best reason yet to get the manual.
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Old 07-03-2010, 09:05 AM   #64
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I have been watching a lot of NHRA lately. When they do the inside shot of the driver, I don't see clutch shifting. One group does pull levers, but their leg never moves. Are all the top tier, high horse power cars too fast for a driver to be able to use a clutch? I guess I could Google it.
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Old 07-03-2010, 09:31 AM   #65
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Wow, According to the numbers, I guess there are a lot of unskilled, stupid people, who bought the "unsportscar" version of the Camaro
I have driven manual transmissions for 24 years. I Got my Camaro with the L99, and I can honestly say, that I do not for one single second, regret having the A6 in this Camaro. Yes, at first I was worried about the questions to my manhood if I got the L99. But, the wife does not drive stick and I am very pleased with the A6. Either way the bottom line, is that there is a reason why car companies make these kind of vehicles with the choice of manual or auto. "To each their own". I had a blast test driving a M6 Camaro. But I'm sure not having any less fun everytime, I hammer down on the A6 I ended up purchasing. I certainly don't think the L99 owners "Permagrin" is any less than the LS3 owners. Whichever one you own, be proud of it and mash that Accelerator pedal!!!!
I own an L99 A6. I'm happy with it. I like to be able to chill and just cruise around. I felt that if I bought an LS3 M6 I would have a greater tendency to run thru the grears and maybe get into trouble. With that said, the L99 is an LS3 variant. The LS3 is slightly better of the two. It has 26 more HP, and a higher red line. Also there are less moving parts inside to break down. I test drove both a number of times. I really test drove them if you know what I mean. The L99 A6 is relaxing to drive. The Ls3 M6 feels more like a muscle car with a slight shake at a red light. I don't think there is a L99 stigma. Everyone loves my car. However I do think about removing my AFM lifters and cam and putting a LS3 cam and 8 more regular lifters in my car to make it more like an LS3 sometimes.

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I think it's just people with the feeling of it's not really sports car if it doesn't have a manual transmission. And also the fact that it is a few HP short. But as long as you are happy with your car, I wouldn't worry about the negative annotation people are giving.
I've come across this with people who don't own a 2010 camaro. Some people think/say that a true sports car needs to be a manual.

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My now 10,000 mile slushbox is damn fast stock. It's got that neck popping get up and go. You will outrun 95% or more of the manuals out there (Well their drivers anyway), despite what everyone claims they are not professional drivers.
The Auto is perfect... Every time... and they are not.
Be happy with that slushbox my friend and welcome to the club

Most of the cars at the track are autos because autos usually do better in the quarter mile.
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Old 07-03-2010, 10:29 AM   #66
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Stock for Stock, the comparisons have been done ad nauseum on the boards (Automatics are faster!! , Automatics are most consistent!), but they are both great cars.

I prefer the manual because, even though it's slower, it's just more fun to drive.


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Old 07-03-2010, 10:47 AM   #67
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It's just an old stigma. It's the auto vs. manual thing. Just like the V6 vs. V8 thing. If I had a V8 that put out 312 HP at the crank, no one would bat an eye. If you had a manual with 400 HP, no one would bat an eye, either. Don't worry about it. The 400 HP auto is a beast. All of the 5th generations are beasts.
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I would get the manual over the automatic personally,but I dont look down on people that get a auto.It doesnt surprise me that more automatic transmissions than manual were sold.Thats how it always is even in Corvetts.Lets face it alot of drivers dont even know how to drive a manual transmission.As far as driving a manual in stop and go traffic,Its not that different than driving a automatic.All you are doing is pushing in a clutch with your foot.I drive a tractor trailer for a living and thats a lot more difficult than driving any manual transmission equipped car.That being said,get whatever makes you happy.If someone else doesnt appreciate your choice who cares its your car not thiers.Im sure a lot of criticsm is coming from people that wished they had your "inferior" automatic Camaro.
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Old 07-03-2010, 01:35 PM   #69
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Mash the gas while rolling at 5 mph and tell me the A6 got nothin. Done it plenty and it still scares the bejesus out of me. Nobody that rode in my car ever asked me why I got (settled for?) the A6.
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Mash the gas while rolling at 5 mph and tell me the A6 got nothin. Done it plenty and it still scares the bejesus out of me. Nobody that rode in my car ever asked me why I got (settled for?) the A6.
Often, I'm asked...is that the V8? I say, "Yes." Then they say, "Well of course, you got the stick shift, right?" And I say, "No...I got the GOOD one!"
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I bought an L99 because i loved the tapshift. It was fast, loud and just generally bad ass.

After a month though I was kind of bored with not being able to shift manually... or rev driving through parking lots, haha. So I traded it in for a LS3

All that aside I definately noticed the L99 felt "quicker" when I mashed down on it. With that said though the LS3 is definitely louder, and just feels more powerful. I say its feels more powerful because I can chirp in 1st-3 no problem which i couldn't do in the L99. The L99 was just too efficient in shifting.

It just comes down to what you want, I don't bash people with L99s because I drive a manual, i just have a manual because I think its more fun. Either way, it's one of the fastest cars (under 50k haha) so just enjoy what you have.
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see people really/ truly do not understand how much better the car feels in daily driving with a manual... you feel the low end TQ better. auto are not good sports car, man reason is you are missing the feel of the car...

"Ohhh, I wouldn't say I've been missing it, Bob..." (let's see who gets this one first...)
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The thing I have a problem with the L99 is the hesitation of the AFM being overridden, the A6 definitely has too soft a shift for me, BUT i'm used to driving a truck with a 5.3 that gets a better ET at the track than my Camaro, the truck will run 13.686 @ 98.02, and the car will run 13.744 @ 102.88, the truck has 4.10 gears the Camaro has 3.24 gears. I'm sure that if I changed the gears and a few tweaks to the tranny tune, overide the AFM and take out the torque management,the Camaro would feel better to me. I've beaten a few manual trans cars because they had to shift or missed a shift, I've had manual trans cars before so I know how to drive em, but the main thing I'm wanting is the consistency of the shift of the automatic and always in the right gear.If the L99 had a 3.45 gear, it would be a different animal, but that had to be done to meet federal emission guidelines for mpg. Maybe a manual is more fun but in traffic it's a PAIN IN THE A**.
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The AFM issue with the L99, the skip shift with the LS3. Both of those have fixes. I had my car tuned and had AFM turned off in the tune. I also had the shifts tightened up a bit. It's fun fun fun to drive it.

I love my L99. It's the right car with the right transmission for me. I don't like to "row" as my Dad would have said. I am secure enough in myself not to care what other people think I should have.

Similarly, I think if someone prefers the V6 over the V8, that is their choice as well and that is what they should get.

It's your car. Get what YOU like to drive. Don't let someone else who has an inferiority complex tell you otherwise. Enjoy YOUR Camaros, everyone!

(PS: Yes, I can and have driven a stick. You don't have to be a rocket scientist or a stud to do so. It just takes some practice.)
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