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Old 11-04-2008, 01:20 PM   #1
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Can't Decide - Auto or Manual

I need help. I can't decide if I should get the automatic or manual.

At first I was definitely getting the stick under the assumptions that it was more HP and torque, better gas mileage, 0-60 and 1/4 mile time.

Now after doing some research, I learn that yes the stick has more HP and torque but that the 0-60 time for the auto is much better. As far as the gas mileage and 1/4 mile time it seams those are close enough to call them even.

I was also planning on getting the cold air intake, headers and cat back exhaust on the stick. It appears I cannot get these on the auto. Is this true.
Also, what kind of gains or losses am I looking at for HP, TQ, 0-60, 1/4 mile and gas mileage if I get these added.

Also, how much do you think these upgrades are gonna cost. Are they worth it.

Last two considerations are that I will probably do a lot of driving in the car so auto makes sense and lastly, as far as street racing goes, where I live (Long Island, NY) when you do race your really not going at it for a full 1/4 mile (prob kill someone) because of the amount of traffic.

I have actually held off of ordering the car because I cannot decide between the stick and auto. I have had many, many camaros both with sticks and autos. I can beat on both of them just as good as the other.
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Old 11-04-2008, 01:30 PM   #2
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First of all welcome to the site, you will find more information than you ever thought possible here....

A Automatic transmission can be faster to 60 and in the 1/4.....bottom line. Doesnt matter who says what or what you have heard.

Let me explain the above statment. A auto CAN be faster than a manual if it is tuned right. This would require the correct stall covertor, matched to the cam profile and HP and TQ curves, plus the weight of the car. A shitft kit can make it shift fast and violently, but will get you better times. It is humanly impossible to shift a manual tranny faster than a auto can.

On the flip side of this in 99.9% of street aplications a experianced driver can turn a better ET with a manual.

Unless you are willing to do your homework on stall converters, shift kits and gearing go with the manual.

With a purpose built racing auto the car becomes very un street friendley.
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Old 11-04-2008, 01:58 PM   #3
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Remember, there have been no official 0-60 or 1/4 mile times listed for the V8 yet. That being said, hopefully soon some people will get there hands on them and we have a better understanding of what the auto / manual will do.

Me .. I like banging gears ... manual all the way ..

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Old 11-04-2008, 02:06 PM   #4
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GM has said that both stick and auto are getting 0-60 in 4.6 seconds and the quarter mile times and speeds are about dead even.
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Old 11-04-2008, 02:35 PM   #5
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Personally, I find sticks to be a lot more fun, but then again, paddle-shifters are pretty cool.
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Old 11-04-2008, 02:40 PM   #6
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Yeah sticks are fun, I got an auto though since I have alot of stop and go traffic and do get alot of phone calls for work and do not want to worry about shifting.

Compared to my V6 accord coupe and my acura RL this car is going to rock and be very quick even with the auto.
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Old 11-04-2008, 02:47 PM   #7
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First of all welcome to the site, you will find more information than you ever thought possible here....

A Automatic transmission can be faster to 60 and in the 1/4.....bottom line. Doesnt matter who says what or what you have heard.

Let me explain the above statment. A auto CAN be faster than a manual if it is tuned right. This would require the correct stall covertor, matched to the cam profile and HP and TQ curves, plus the weight of the car. A shitft kit can make it shift fast and violently, but will get you better times. It is humanly impossible to shift a manual tranny faster than a auto can.

On the flip side of this in 99.9% of street aplications a experianced driver can turn a better ET with a manual.

Unless you are willing to do your homework on stall converters, shift kits and gearing go with the manual.

With a purpose built racing auto the car becomes very un street friendley.
I have a 3800 and it's shift extension is around 5300-5400 between shifts and there is no more lag with the 4L60. I have a good tranny tune and no codes and love driving it. At with 3900 lbs. on the starting line, with no transbrake or anything, I've gotten a best of a 1.6X 60', which would almost be impossible with a manual-equipped car, with similar mods' to mine. Having said that, it isn't nearly as fun as powershifting and rowing through the gears, like my LT1 was, so it depends on if you like shifting for yourself that much or whether or not you can stand traffic, I guess. I haven't driving GM's new sx-speeds yet, but I think you can't loose either way. Auto' trannys are the way to go if you drag race, but they aren't as much fun, and a stick is more fun in every other dicipline.

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Yeah sticks are fun, I got an auto though since I have alot of stop and go traffic and do get alot of phone calls for work and do not want to worry about shifting.

Compared to my V6 accord coupe and my acura RL this car is going to rock and be very quick even with the auto.
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Old 11-04-2008, 03:02 PM   #8
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The differences between auto v. manual are going to be negligible. Like ~.1 seconds...real close in performance. It comes down to preference, luckily.
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Old 11-04-2008, 03:03 PM   #9
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GM has said that both stick and auto are getting 0-60 in 4.6 seconds and the quarter mile times and speeds are about dead even.
Brochure racing.......
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Old 11-04-2008, 07:31 PM   #10
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My '68 has a 2-speed powerglide (automatic) with a floor shifter that I have to manually shift, so it's somewhat like a stick without the clutch. In the 2010 I would opt for the manual, it feels more like you're involved with the car than just hitting the gas and brake.
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Old 11-04-2008, 07:53 PM   #11
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after learning on a manual & then owning another one then driving an auto for over 3 yrs, the auto got really boring. i like to feel like i'm more in control of the vehicle. besides, you stay more concentrated on driving with a stick. that's why a manual was a must-have when i bought my current truck.
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Old 11-04-2008, 09:53 PM   #12
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Don't know if anyone has seen this yet....

Has anyone seen this yet

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=129496

Has anyone seen anything different, if so where.

What are your comments. A 4.6 0-60 is a big difference than 4.9.

For $40K (or just thereunder) I better see Cobras in the rear view mirror and not out the passenger window.
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Old 11-04-2008, 10:27 PM   #13
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well cobras have gone mid 12s stock so expect them to be at your passenger window with equal drivers lol.

this is disturbing

"Chevy's Camaro SS outfitted with the 422-hp 6.2-liter LS3 V8 six-speed manual hits 60 mph in 4.9 seconds and runs a 13.4-second quarter-mile at 108 mph according to Oppenheiser. "

13.4 @ 108? get a better driver geez, 108mph sould be a 12.9 or quicker even. stock mustang gt's have gone 13.2x @ 103
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Old 11-04-2008, 10:39 PM   #14
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I'd go with the LS3/ Joy Stick.
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Old 11-05-2008, 12:24 AM   #15
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I think the Ls3 is underrated at 422 HP and the 1/4 mile times is totally bogus. GM has everyone fooled wait till the Camaro hits the track its gonna rape so much. Go with the Manual because you will enjoy the car more and that is whats its all about. Its not all about numbers on paper Its what you ultimately get out of your Camaro.
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Old 11-05-2008, 12:26 AM   #16
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very old numbers quoted. It's been MUCH improved since then.
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Old 11-05-2008, 12:36 AM   #17
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uhhh ohhh... a guy over at the challenger forums ran his bone stock '09 R/T at 13.1 in the quarter-mile.. auto... ouch... It seems that the Challenger is also lighter than stated, i've seen a couple guy's state that they weighed there car with them in it and it weighed 4100lbs... so seems the challenger is closer to 3900lbs and the dyno's have been saying 390hp at the crank... eww 4.9 is good still not insane though but good 13.4 though is average.... it seems in these new muscle car wars...
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Old 11-05-2008, 12:37 AM   #18
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I'm torn on this as well. I had pretty much decided on the stick but now I'm doubting. I've never owned a stick (know how to drive one but not much) and concerned with getting sick of having to shift all the time. But, the times I've driven a stick, I've always enjoyed it. It'll be my daily driver so I'm trying to figure out if I want to live with the "burden" (if it can be called that) of a stick vs. the added fun it provides. With the auto having paddles, it could be somewhat of a compromise.
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:07 AM   #19
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What is the difference in feel between the hurst short throw shifter and the stock one other than the ball, shorter lengh shifts and it being slightly taller? Which one is more fun to drive and why?
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Old 11-05-2008, 07:52 AM   #20
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Short throw shifters tend to kinda "Click" into gear instead of "move" from one gear to the next. It's a very positive detent for lack of a better way to describe it. You have to pull on the shifter a little harder than the stock one but there is no doubt when you feel it go into gear.

Some people don't like short throw shifters because they don't feel very "refined" They feel like there is tension on the shifter then it just pops into gear with little actual movement.

It's kinda hard to describe. I love the feel of the short throw. But most other people who don't understand the reason behind having one don't usually like them.

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Old 11-05-2008, 09:53 AM   #21
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Short throw v regular shift

I have owned both. In fact, my first Z28 had a Hurst Short Throw. I like the short throw because you can pound gears faster. I think I'd like it even more with the 6 speed so rowing through all the gears is easier. My first car was a 4 spd stick.

I was absolutely faster with the short throw over the regular.
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Old 11-05-2008, 11:43 AM   #22
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If you are going to be in a lot of stop and go traffic, then some people might see that as a negative. I've had both types of transmissions in performance and nonperformance cars alike. With a performance car, for me, there is no question...manual...period.
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:02 PM   #23
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If you are going to be in a lot of stop and go traffic, then some people might see that as a negative. I've had both types of transmissions in performance and nonperformance cars alike. With a performance car, for me, there is no question...manual...period.
+1 My first car was an auto, since then it's been all manual. I don't think I'll ever go back to an auto unless it's a truck or an SUV.

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Old 11-05-2008, 10:17 PM   #24
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All of my vehicles have been manual and I am going to continue to purchase manual transmissions. This may have something to do with my personality of being a control freak. But I am also a proponent of having the most interaction with the vehicle while driving. This is achieved in a manual transmission. I enjoy autocross in my manual transmission civic and I also have been through police driving courses while attending the academy with an automatic crown vic. Being able to select the gears and keep the engine in the sweet spot is the best feeling.

The only thing fun about driving the automatic crown vic is when you get to turn on the lights and sirens. You automatically think you can do a serpentine 10 mph faster.

Before I get off my soap box, I would like to reiterate what others have been saying. If you sit in traffic to and from work everyday, you might want the automatic. But if you drive manual enough in traffic you can avoid pushing down the clutch every two seconds with some tricks.
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Don't forget, you can control this auto.
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