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Old 07-12-2010, 04:32 PM   #226
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If this is the first time an individual has watched the show, you just aren't going to get what the show is about. How many other shows have tried to launch a passenger car into the sky in hopes of making it like the Space Shuttle? How many shows race a Bugatti against a jet fighter (Typhoon)? How many shows put a cow on a Camaro?... Okay - that wasn't a good example... The truth of the matter is that unless an individual has watched more than a couple shows, they have no idea what this program is about. Take it or leave it, but some people here are going overboard, IMO. Have a look here to get a taste of what the show is about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear_Races
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This is absolutely not a good car for murderers... there is nowhere near enough trunk space. I do remember Jeremy saying "who's head is that" so perhaps he realizes this and claims that murderers only cart the heads around but any good murderer knows, and I'm sure you're all good murderers in your Camaros, that we take the whole body, not just the head. Silly brits.


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I think it is good for the camaro to be compared to a superior and far more expensive car and only come out a little in the hole. Speaks to it's value. Even though they are very different it compares how we like to do muscle to how they like to do muscle. A lot of complaints about the performance differences but they care about more than just numbers on the show. Comfort, styling, execution and functionality are all very important. I think it showed the Camaro very favorably even in defeat. Should've opened some eyes across the pond.
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Old 07-12-2010, 04:46 PM   #228
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Why are people up in arms about the track being wet on some cars??
BBC does not control the weather(though some there would think so). They don't have a cars for long periods of time to wait around for a sunny day. Often times you will see one color being tested while another in the studio during recording.

Lots of people getting very defensive over this. Top Gear(not just clarkson) rips in to other cars from other countries too, so don't think you are special.

There was mention of "what if an American top gear...". Well, there has been one in the works for a while now. Adam Carolla was going to be a part of it a few years ago, but he is not anymore, and another is being planned. Also, and American Top Gear will be TERRIBLE!!!!

Tell you what. Do not look at this as a comparison as they really didn't make too many of them. Look at it as two SEPARATE car reviews put in to one just to try to get more cars in this season(it is only 6 episodes after all).
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I am cracking up watching these bloody Englishmen take shots at our beloved Gen 5! I am sure if the truth be known...Mercedes sponsored the episode! LOL Enough said.
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No sponsors. They dont show commercials during this show. That is why an american version would suck.
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Old 07-12-2010, 05:03 PM   #231
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seriously.

Can you help explain it?
Sure. Nothing in that show, absolutely nothing in that show is done unless it is entertaining and fun for car and non-car fans alike. We all know that.

So my take on the "logic" of the comparison, was as others put it, based purely on the engine. The fun part was, "well, let's compare it with the closest the Euros have, which is a 6.3L AMG". Given their definition of "muscle" which is a car with the biggest possible engine, then that comparison is fair.

And of course, as others have pointed out, the Camaro's performance was absolutely phenomenal for the price compared with the AMG. Would the presenters point that out? No - because that's a boring thing to point out, especially since it's so obvious.

The only thing that annoys me is when the presenters flat out say something that is factually incorrect, such as calling a V6 Mustang is a V8. But their opinions on the other hand are merely humorous hyperboles of their feelings - I have nothing wrong with that because it's fun. If I wanted a serious review, there are tons of them on the internet.

British humor has a lot to do with using the cleverness of the English language to make fun of something. Clarkson's insults are hilarious because of his clever metaphors. Just watch the Australian version of "Top Gear" - it's the kind of show that we'd get if we didn't have Clarkson. It's so utterly boring to watch because it doesn't capture the irrational emotion that's attached to cars. Clarkson also constantly makes fun of his own co-presenters. May is "slow" and Hammond is a "hamster". Clarkson calls himself a "middle-aged, bald fat bloke".

Look at my post for example. It's utterly devoid of humor. There's nothing funny about it. I'm trying to get a point across, but it's not funny and it's not entertaining. You don't want me to host a car show, because I'd do it fairly, I'd do it analytically and I'd be totally boring to watch. I totally admire people like Clarkson because their wit is so quick and it is amazing to see how he can look at something ordinary and come up with something funny about it.

What would South Park, or Seinfeld be without the political incorrectness? What would comedy be without the political incorrectness? What would Top Gear be like without the craziness? Watch "Fifth Gear" and find out:



Can you watch this without falling asleep?

Top Gear is the greatest service anyone has ever done for car fans. It has helped ordinary, non-car folks understand why car people love cars. Boring, stale and analytical car reviews alienate normal people because they don't capture the excitement, fun and emotion that fast cars are all about.
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Old 07-12-2010, 05:10 PM   #232
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CTS-V and the Camaro are 2 very different cars. That's like comparing the E63 AMG to the Camaro.

I'd bet everything I own that the Stig would get an M6 around the track faster.
I'm talking about the transmissions, not the powertrains.
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Old 07-12-2010, 05:12 PM   #233
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You keep saying $40,000 - But he said it was £40,000 - in other words, $60,280 US dollars. That's a helluva markup.

Just FYI.
That's only 'cuz they already have the V.A.T. tax over there. We will get it sometime between now and 2012.
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Old 07-12-2010, 05:12 PM   #234
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Sometimes I actually PREFER "Fifth Gear" over "Top Gear". Yes, Top Gear is more entertaining and visually stimulating, but Fifth Gear gets to the point more and actually give good in-depth analysis of the vehicles driven. Plus they're better drivers: Tiff Needell and Vicky Butler FTW!

Oh yeah, The Top Gear review went about as good as I thought it would. Comparing it to the Benz was a stretch, but not as bad as when they compared a Mustang to a Lotus...

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Old 07-12-2010, 05:19 PM   #235
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That other guy calling the Camaro "stupid", he was the one acting like the Corvette was falling apart when he drove it.
The Queen wouldn't get out of a Camaro. Really. That's where you're going? Well last i checked the only thing she gets out of are limo's. Or Carriage's. Nobel Prize winners? Probably a freaking Volvo. Or Saab.
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Old 07-12-2010, 05:20 PM   #236
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Sometimes I actually PREFER "Fifth Gear" over "Top Gear". Yes, Top Gear is more entertaining and visually stimulating, but Fifth Gear gets to the point more and actually give good in-depth analysis of the vehicles driven. Plus they're better drivers: Tiff Needell and Vicky Butler FTW!

Oh yeah, The Top Gear review went about as good as I thought it would. Comparing it to the Benz was a stretch, but not as bad as when they compared a Mustang to a Lotus...

Fifth Gear viewers: about 1M
Top Gear viewers: about 30M

I don't go to Top Gear for facts, I go there for entertainment. Fifth Gear, like every other bloody car show is really only for car people. It's like watching a golf tournament on TV - let's all watch the grass grow. If anyone can make a golf show that non-golf people would actually watch, they would be gods. Top Gear did that for non-car people. I can sit there and watch it with the family, and the wifey can understand why I'm crazy about cars. If I watch "Fifth Gear" I'd have to do it when everybody's asleep.

Furthermore - Fifth Gear presents NOTHING that is discussion-worthy after the show. How can you argue or discuss cold hard facts? After watching Top Gear however, you can argue for 10 pages on a Camaro5.com forum how Clarkson is rubbish. Think about that. Top Gear is a winning formula.
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Fifth Gear viewers: about 1M
Top Gear viewers: about 30M

I don't go to Top Gear for facts, I go there for entertainment. Fifth Gear, like every other bloody car show is really only for car people. It's like watching a golf tournament on TV - let's all watch the grass grow. If anyone can make a golf show that non-golf people would actually watch, they would be gods. Top Gear did that for non-car people. I can sit there and watch it with the family, and the wifey can understand why I'm crazy about cars. If I watch "Fifth Gear" I'd have to do it when everybody's asleep.

Furthermore - Fifth Gear presents NOTHING that is discussion-worthy after the show. How can you argue or discuss cold hard facts? After watching Top Gear however, you can argue for 10 pages on a Camaro5.com forum how Clarkson is rubbish. Think about that. Top Gear is a winning formula.
No denying that. I said that Top gear was entertaining too. Top Gear is a way to spoon feed the masses without being die hard car/gear heads. Been doing so for over 13 years. I like Top Gear, don't get me wrong but sometime I like a good review without all of the fluff.

You make Fifth Gear sound like Motorweek

Th reason Jeremy is getting 10 pages on Camaro5 is because most of Camaro5 probably hasn't kept up with Top Gear for multiple seasons. If they knew that was his M.O. they would ignore him like I do when he reviews an American car. He'll bash a ZO6 but says that the Mazda RX-8 is brilliant

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That other guy calling the Camaro "stupid", he was the one acting like the Corvette was falling apart when he drove it.
The Queen wouldn't get out of a Camaro. Really. That's where you're going? Well last i checked the only thing she gets out of are limo's. Or Carriage's. Nobel Prize winners? Probably a freaking Volvo. Or Saab.
That's why they're Europe, driving little tiny cars on little tiny streets, and we are the United States.
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Old 07-12-2010, 05:57 PM   #239
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An open letter to Mr. Richard Hammond:

Dear Mr. Hammond.

First, I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your enthusiasm for the American muscle car. I share your appreciation of the sound and power American muscle cars provide, along with their ability to be highly modified. Indeed, having the ability to modify high-performance vehicles is why I am a proud owner of a beautiful 2010 Camaro SS.

Secondly, I would like to extend an invitation to you and your colleagues to join the East Tennessee Gen5 Camaro Club. There is nothing like driving through the mountains of the deep south – the backdrop of American Civil War and the movie “Deliverance”. Rest assured, current members of the club would enjoy spending time with you. Not only would you be surprised by the graciousness of your fellow club members – none of whom are murderers (as far as I know), but you would gain a new perspective a culture that was tarnished by the unfortunate rock-throwing incident in Alabama. Moreover, your presense in Tennessee would make for GREAT television.

Unfortunately, there will be a $25.00US charge for club t-shirts if you are unable to pick them up in person.

In all seriousness, this correspondence is genuinely intended to express gratitude.

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I'm talking about the transmissions, not the powertrains.
So you're saying that because the V with an A6 is just as fast or faster than the M6 V, the Camaro should obviously be the same? Come on man. There are 2 reasons that that's just not a good a comparison.

First, the automatic tranny in the Camaro not the same as the one in the V.

Second, the automatic Camaro has less horsepower than it's manual tranny brother. That's not the case when comparing the auto and M6 CTS-V. The V has the same HP rating no matter which tranny you choose.
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another well constructed, witty reply from mikeSS. How many more can he pull out of his a--

These guys are comedians, not journalist...
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exactly what i thought, that curly haired jackass hates American cars
Heh! He just imported a Ford GT not too long ago.
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Old 07-12-2010, 06:33 PM   #243
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Heh! He just imported a Ford GT not too long ago.
He bought one back in 06, sold it and bought another one a year later actually!
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Heh! He just imported a Ford GT not too long ago.
Yeah and then turned around and sold it because he had problems with it.
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It still ran a faster lap than a GT500 LOL
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I'm just glad that Hammond was driving and not Captain Slow (May) or Clarkson. If either of the others were driving all we'd hear about is how much plastic is on the interior and the fit and finish of the overall car. While I stated earlier the AMG is a more refined car the Camaro is not built for the same purpose as the AMG. The independent rear suspension is a good start but it's still built for 1/4 mile and stop light drags. The AMG takes a fantastic platform and steps it up a few pegs. The Camaro was not built to compete on this level and I'm glad it did as well as it did. The Mustang and Challenger are the direct competition for the Camaro, just like it was in the beginning. It really is not a global car. It's parts might be from all over but it's build for the hometown crowd. I'm not knocking the Camaro at all but I do see the pros and cons. The heritage and emotion for the Camaro is undeniable. It is a car known and loved around the world. I know I own one and I'm getting another for my wife so I'm a fan. But on a world scale it's just not that impressive, it's a car you buy on emotion. It's just my opinion and I could be wrong.
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wtf are you talking about. seriously.


yes.. u are correct with showing this video.. and they are not against all american cars.. but recently when they did review the zr-1 against the r8 v10.. he does rip on it alot.. but again at the end he leveled it out by saying.. "u would have to be mad to buy one of these corvettes,... and thats why u should.. " i lvoe this show and have since back in the day .. but they do screw up on somethings.. like they arent' consistant is the word im lookin for.. when they were tlaking about the 4.6 in the stangs.. he would say .. this engine is garbage.. then come back and say .. this is one of the "best engines ever built" .. its al in the script.. and its all for entertainment purposes.. so its hard to judge.. them.. but at the end of the day it is a TV show..
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Camaro against an AMG? You f*ing kidding me? That's a ridiculous comparison.
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