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Old 07-14-2010, 02:23 PM   #301
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I agree that the price they quoted makes it sound pretty unreasonable price-wise. However, here, I don't think it's out of line considering what else is out there. I don't know the exact conversion, but I believe the car in that clip would probably be close to about 20K pounds or so.
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Old 07-14-2010, 02:26 PM   #302
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There is nothing on cost over here yet - that £40k they quote is probably based on whomever imported the Red SS in the video - and I know you can buy one for around £35k fully loaded. Chevy hope to punt the car for less (but I seriously doubt it).
So you can buy one for say 35,000 pounds, and then your 20% or so value added tax?

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Old 07-14-2010, 03:56 PM   #303
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So you can buy one for say 35,000 pounds, and then your 20% or so value added tax?

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No, that price includes our sales tax (VAT).

I spent a day with Chevy at Goodwood and got to drive the Camaro. I met people responsible for the Camaro in the UK and the marketing and pricing - we'll only get the V8 SS and it'll be between £27k and £35k. I would expect the latter.

To reply to Povanic - I bought a Monaro and I believe it was worth every penny of it's £36k price tag over here. I believe the Camaro will be too - it's not a crap car; it handles, it has a proven, strong engine, it's comfortable and has plenty of modern conveniences... it's FANTASTIC... Chevy UK is NOT Chevy US. Remember that.

And yes, whilst I am biased, I've owned Porsche 911s and I believe them to be some of the finest handling and performing cars that money can buy - but for the money, and the potential, I see no reason not to trust in the Camaro.
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Old 07-14-2010, 03:59 PM   #304
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No, that price includes our sales tax (VAT).

I spent a day with Chevy at Goodwood and got to drive the Camaro. I met people responsible for the Camaro in the UK and the marketing and pricing - we'll only get the V8 SS and it'll be between £27k and £35k. I would expect the latter.

To reply to Povanic - I bought a Monaro and I believe it was worth every penny of it's £36k price tag over here. I believe the Camaro will be too - it's not a crap car; it handles, it has a proven, strong engine, it's comfortable and has plenty of modern conveniences... it's FANTASTIC... Chevy UK is NOT Chevy US. Remember that.

And yes, whilst I am biased, I've owned Porsche 911s and I believe them to be some of the finest handling and performing cars that money can buy - but for the money, and the potential, I see no reason not to trust in the Camaro.
The tone of the OP had me questioning his intentions. Thank you for your points
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My pleasure.

To add - I've been waiting patiently since 2006 for this car. Now even longer, trusting in Chevrolet to bring it to my shores. I continue to wait.
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Old 07-14-2010, 05:02 PM   #307
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yeah whats up with a comparison with an amg? there nowhere near the same class, or price. put those extra 30k into the camaro an its an AMG ASS WHOOPIN
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Old 07-14-2010, 05:08 PM   #308
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^ Yes, but with that mercedes.. your paying that sort of money because it's a totally different car as far as luxury and craftsmanship go. Unless you ever driven anything like that... it's hard to really know what I mean.
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Old 07-14-2010, 05:33 PM   #309
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yeah whats up with a comparison with an amg? there nowhere near the same class, or price. put those extra 30k into the camaro an its an AMG ASS WHOOPIN
If you are putting $30,000 in a Camaro, you need better money management

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The merc engine is good for 217 mph
as said the camero is a good car but to compare the two engines is stupid
the camero engine is a budget special compared to the german monster it's most probally one of the best super car engines out there today!

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Old 07-14-2010, 05:40 PM   #310
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If you are putting $30,000 in a Camaro, you need better money management






Hey, we are involved currently with 3 different Camaro projects that are budgeted well into the upper 6 figures!. One is a 1200rwhp and a wide body!

So there are lots of very creative characters out there doing tons of cutting edge stuff. Look what the premeir builders like Nickey Camaro and Fesler-Moss are doing. Look at the awesome work that Lingenfelter is doing. All very exciting to see for sure

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The merc engine is good for 217 mph
as said the camero is a good car but to compare the two engines is stupid
the camero engine is a budget special compared to the german monster it's most probally one of the best super car engines out there today!

I don't know if I'd quite call it a budget engine in comparison. The Merc makes somewhere around 500 bhp (in AMG form) and the LS3 can easily get there with a few tweaks.

I'm not saying the AMG engine isn't fantastic, I'm just saying don't sell the LS3 short.

and how do you figure an engine is good for 217 mph? the engine only goes as fast as the car it's sitting in. and the merc only does 180ish

I don't know how accurate these dyno sheets are... but there's lots of cars on these very boards that dwarf these numbers

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...no-Sheets.html

I know, dyno numbers aren't the be all end all. but it's a good way to stack engines up against eachother anyway
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Old 07-14-2010, 08:48 PM   #312
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This was dissapointing at many levels

I feel that TG entirely missed the boat this time.

So much so, that I actually believe that they couldn“t get any other appropriate comparison car for that episode (Audi S5 for instance) and that's how the E Class AMG got the spot to begin with.

TG is about entertainment above all: they are irreverent and funny (in the peculiar british humor) and therefore anyone should not feel seriously offended by any remarks or jokes made on the show. I lived and worked in London for five years so I kind of got the 'gist' in which the show is viewed by their home crowd.

However this comparison was not even close to funny, it was absurd.

When shoping around, before I bought the CAMARO I seriously considered the Mercedes Benz E class: BUT NOT THE SEDAN!! much less the AMG version of it.

The V-8 E Class Coupe is to me a more adequate match, in price (a fully loaded LS3 SS2 trades for about USD$60K in my home turf) as in engine size and car weight.

Then dynamically (acceleration, stopping and gripping) and visually there is (at least to me it was) a clear winner : the CAMARO came on top, marginally , but on top nevertheless.

I think that car would have made a fair, useful, entertaining comparison. I also think the auto tranny CAMARO would have crammed the auto tranny MB.

AMG is the "tuner" coach works for MB, therefore a fair comparison would have been to bring a CALLAWAY CAMARO, or an SLP CAMARO against such tuner car.

These tuner cars are closely matched both in price and the degree of craftmanship placed on them by their coachworks to the AMG E Class.

I waited eagerly for this episode, but was a dissapointing waste of time... even for a brit humored TV show.
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However this comparison was not even close to funny, it was absurd.


Other than the price and lap time, not much was compared. And the only thing with the lap times was that they were shown at the same time.
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Old 07-15-2010, 01:03 PM   #314
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I'm reading the pages through my iPad! I watched the video from my iPad too! I can't watch it now!! Why is that!! Tran, any idea???
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Old 07-15-2010, 02:48 PM   #315
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I feel that TG entirely missed the boat this time.

So much so, that I actually believe that they couldn“t get any other appropriate comparison car for that episode (Audi S5 for instance) and that's how the E Class AMG got the spot to begin with.

TG is about entertainment above all: they are irreverent and funny (in the peculiar british humor) and therefore anyone should not feel seriously offended by any remarks or jokes made on the show. I lived and worked in London for five years so I kind of got the 'gist' in which the show is viewed by their home crowd.

However this comparison was not even close to funny, it was absurd.

When shoping around, before I bought the CAMARO I seriously considered the Mercedes Benz E class: BUT NOT THE SEDAN!! much less the AMG version of it.

The V-8 E Class Coupe is to me a more adequate match, in price (a fully loaded LS3 SS2 trades for about USD$60K in my home turf) as in engine size and car weight.

Then dynamically (acceleration, stopping and gripping) and visually there is (at least to me it was) a clear winner : the CAMARO came on top, marginally , but on top nevertheless.

I think that car would have made a fair, useful, entertaining comparison. I also think the auto tranny CAMARO would have crammed the auto tranny MB.

AMG is the "tuner" coach works for MB, therefore a fair comparison would have been to bring a CALLAWAY CAMARO, or an SLP CAMARO against such tuner car.

These tuner cars are closely matched both in price and the degree of craftmanship placed on them by their coachworks to the AMG E Class.

I waited eagerly for this episode, but was a dissapointing waste of time... even for a brit humored TV show.

Mercedes "AMG" would be more closely considered to something like Fords "SVT". So it's still an in house thing, slp and callaway are not so much.
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I don't know why but it really pisses me off that the whole world seems to put the Mustang on a pedestal and is mostly unaware of the Camaro. This coming from someone who actually likes both cars. TG does this too, they've tested numerous Mustangs and Hammond even has an ugly 60's coupe with some poorly done stripes. Watching them test those cars, I wondered if they were even aware of the rival of the car, the Camaro, which has often beaten, sometimes lost and tied with the Mustang in performance throughout the years and how surprised they would be (or not) at the performance of a 2002 SS.

Someone on the finalgear forums compared the Camaro to the Challenger and called them "grandpa cars which historically aren't muscle cars but pony cars, and the only real muscle car is the mustang". LMAO, he also thinks the Camaro is too big, despite being only 2 inches wider and longer than the mustang, compared tot he challenger's 10 inches longer on the mustang. The pony car deal is one thing which is argued often, but to say that the Mustang which started the pony car segment is seperate and is the only real muscle car? Give me a break! that epitomizes what I am talking about.

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Since GM does not make an in-house tuner CAMARO...

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Mercedes "AMG" would be more closely considered to something like Fords "SVT". So it's still an in house thing, slp and callaway are not so much.
Point is well taken. I concurr that A Ford SVT is an in-house tuner car as much as the AMG Mercedes Benz is.

Yet, since GM does not have an in-house tuner version of the CAMARO the SLP would have been a close equivalent.

For many years SLP produced a tuned-up version of the PONTIAC FIREBIRD (at the time the CAMARO sibling) called the FIREBIRD FIREHAWK.

This was done in association with GM: when ordering your FIREBIRD at an approved GM dealership you just checked a couple of boxes in the order form and GM obligued by sending your car to SLP for a thorough modification (suspension, intake, exhaust, differential, brakes, engine, and body work) then got it back from SLP and then delivered to the dealer.

GM delivered the car to the dealer not SLP: is the closest it got to become an in-house tuner.

So an SLP CAMARO would have the fair choice of car to run side by side to the E AMG (some forum members mantain that it was not an actual comparison) in the same segment of the show.

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I know its not Top Gear related but, Jason Plato of Fifth Gear will be reviewing the Camaro SS on the July 22nd episode. (A small clip was shown on the end of the Fifth Gear 17×07 episode (torrent download.)) I wonder what his review would be like?
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Aww! Just enjoy it. It was funny in a Brit sort of way. To me, it was kind of uplifting. A Chevy Camaro was compared to a Euro luxury car. Can't tell if their standards are getting lower or our quality is getting higher, but I love my car and it nice to see that its even getting recognized overseas. Need to have the next revolution and have American car companies outsell BMW and Mercedes in Europe. I know - keep dreaming At least we can own a muscle car, instead of something that is ugly, smug, or stuffy.
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Aww! Just enjoy it. It was funny in a Brit sort of way. To me, it was kind of uplifting. A Chevy Camaro was compared to a Euro luxury car. Can't tell if their standards are getting lower or our quality is getting higher, but I love my car and it nice to see that its even getting recognized overseas. Need to have the next revolution and have American car companies outsell BMW and Mercedes in Europe. I know - keep dreaming At least we can own a muscle car, instead of something that is ugly, smug, or stuffy.
At least c*cks don't drive Camaros, lol (You have to watch the show to understand the referrence...)
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Ha, that is true.
*Looks in garage* Nope! no Audi or BMW for me
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I know its not Top Gear related but, Jason Plato of Fifth Gear will be reviewing the Camaro SS on the July 22nd episode. (A small clip was shown on the end of the Fifth Gear 17×07 episode (torrent download.)) I wonder what his review would be like?
Will be very interesting to see what he says. Guess we will all want to see that as well.
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I would expect a better review as he seemed very pleased with it after his drive up the hill at Goodwood this year.

But he does drive for Chevy (Touring cars) in the UK so a vested interest


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Oh Buggers.....Jeremy Clarkson here and I MUUUST say you Jack the ripper types just have a MAAAAssive complex about your silly little cars.

I mean I cannot imagine her majesty with a mullet and a can of keystone light parking out side the drive-in next to your trailer park to watch the movie for free.

The Mercedes is cleeeeearly the alpha dog of automobiles in this case like the apples and oranges, and speaking of Alphas......WATCH THIS!!!

(tires squeal and James May gets run down in an alpha romeo by Richard Hammond)

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