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Old 07-12-2010, 07:06 AM   #151
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they ALWAYS bust on american cars... oh well, at least it was worthy enough for them to rag on for 10 minutes...
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Old 07-12-2010, 07:14 AM   #152
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they ALWAYS bust on american cars... oh well, at least it was worthy enough for them to rag on for 10 minutes...
wtf are you talking about. seriously.

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Old 07-12-2010, 07:19 AM   #153
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I think that if the effette British snob behind the wheel wants to do a comparison as rediculous as comparing a $31,000.00 SS against a much more expensive car, then he should compare the Mercedes Benz against a CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1. And I agree with stormyone above on everything that he said. I learned in the 1980's with Japanese sportbikes that the motor journalists are shills for the manufacturers and last years products are now SOOOOOO PASSE. I bought my Harleys because going into the transactions I knew that I would not read any good reviews and I love the motorcycles that HD makes and that next year's model would not make my Harley look like a dated piece of crap. I have a Heritage Softail that looks a lot like a 1949 Hydra-Glide. When something is done right like Sunyap Lee's masterpiece Camaro, it will not turn old, it will turn classic like Harley _ Davidson's designs. I bought my Camaros for the same reason. I don't particularly give a flying F#$K what some scribe thinks of my purchases because he ain't making the effing payments, I am.

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Old 07-12-2010, 07:20 AM   #154
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If not mistaken the benz is about three times the price of a Camaro SS. Why couldnt they compare it to a SLP or Henessy Camaro. They are just a bunch of haters and **ckin comedians.
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Old 07-12-2010, 07:28 AM   #155
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this.

it's a UK based show. you can't even buy the mustang over there and i'm not sure you can buy the chally.
For sure you can't go to the main dealers to buy these sort of cars, but there are agents over here who sell Mustangs, Camaros, Challengers etc. It would be great if we had the choice of these sort of cars. I for one would queueing up for all three if I could. Besides which petrol costs so much I'm surprised anyone could afford to run cars in general over here.
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Old 07-12-2010, 07:38 AM   #156
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Just think of it this way. The camaro is so good that they have to move up to comparing it with a 80k car.
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Old 07-12-2010, 07:42 AM   #157
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We all know that deep down Jeremy liked the car .. he has to put on his show of his dislike for american cars (but I bet he did like it .. lol) ..

Although I thought it would do better than what it did time wise, I think it showed more of what you get for the money compariing to a car that cost MUCH more than it.

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Old 07-12-2010, 07:44 AM   #158
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Old 07-12-2010, 07:49 AM   #159
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Good show, not necessarily a fair review but Hammy still would rather own the Camaro so that counts for something.... I think they were both autos...

And the suspension and transmission in the AMG are far better than the Camaro...

Not all that bad for the Camaro... All things Considered.
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Old 07-12-2010, 07:58 AM   #160
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what a funny video they used a E63 in stead of a C63 because camaro would spank the shit out of the C63 lol the E63 is more like a CTS-V they just cant have an American car beat a Euro car it is like comparing a camaro aganst an M5 and not the M3 i have ran an M3 and beat it this video is
The C63 and E63 both use the same engine..If anything the E63 is slower, more weight to pork around...
And that 6.2L AMG motor is one of Ward's best engines but wait then again the Camaro won interior of the year which I thought should've gone to Audi
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Old 07-12-2010, 08:16 AM   #161
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I think it is good for the camaro to be compared to a superior and far more expensive car and only come out a little in the hole. Speaks to it's value. Even though they are very different it compares how we like to do muscle to how they like to do muscle. A lot of complaints about the performance differences but they care about more than just numbers on the show. Comfort, styling, execution and functionality are all very important. I think it showed the Camaro very favorably even in defeat. Should've opened some eyes across the pond.
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Old 07-12-2010, 08:25 AM   #162
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Not impressed, by the review of the camaro, the comparison or the show and it's ignorant remarks...maybe these twits need to burrow some sophistication from the Aussie's as well!
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Old 07-12-2010, 08:52 AM   #163
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The euros have a very different definition of Muscle car. They think of it as an ordinary otherwise regular sedan (this merc) with a big engine crammed in it to have all kinds of power.

OUR definition of a muscle car is an inexpensive, easily upgradable/tuneable car that has a BIG baseline of power to start with.

I don't know why they compared the two because they're quite different cars. But I thought Hammond gave it a fair review. He DID say he'd have it!! Clarkson is always over the top opinionated though, even if he drove it and loved it, he'd never say it.

If you don't like the review. watch it on mute. The photography.... again.... is absolutely superb. These producers should be given every award in existance. They made the car look fantastic.
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Old 07-12-2010, 09:04 AM   #164
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They loved the car because it was not built by Americans...it was built in Canada using 'bits' from Australia...Love how they rubbed that in.

I thought the review was fair, and in the end, Hammond wanted the SS.

I drive an M5 and compare it to an SS every day. If I did not have 2 kids, I would have an SS. But since the three of us like to experience uber fun mind bending accelleration, I drive a BMW. I personally find the new E-class and the odd looking headlights ugly.
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Old 07-12-2010, 09:05 AM   #165
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Way too many is getting all emotional about this.

I mean Jeremy owned Ford GT and named ZR1 as the best car of 2009 if we continue this he hates America stuff. He makes fun of every nation every other episode. Why should it bother anybody? It is entertaiment.

Top Gear is by far the most watched car related program for estimated +300 million viewers, but i doubt too many are watching it to decide what car they buy next.
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Old 07-12-2010, 09:06 AM   #166
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Quite a compliment for our Camaro! Take a stock $40,000 AMERICAN MUSCLE CAR and use it as THE yard stick to compare against, sports cars and exotics, that cost twice as much. The Camaros numbers are right there with them all, (within 10ths of a second). NOW ADD $35,000 IN PERFORMANCE PARTS to make it a dollar for dollar show and see what happens.

One more thing.............an orange bumble bee?
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Old 07-12-2010, 09:18 AM   #167
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Old 07-12-2010, 09:27 AM   #168
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The review wasn't so bad, the comparison was a good thing, so it could be hold agains a higher standard manufacturer and a better car but it's when they gave the time away 1:27.9 they all started to laught like it was a big joke...sad. :(
When you look the the Power lap board the Camaro is on top of a lot of "better cars" and more expensive ones... and the ones it should be compared in it's category.

Here is the POwer lap board:
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Old 07-12-2010, 09:29 AM   #169
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Based on some of the comments in this thread, I think too many of you have never watched Top Gear. It's not intended to be Motor Week. It's entertainment!

Grab a beer, sit back, and enjoy it for what it is...The Camaro getting some international screen time.

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Old 07-12-2010, 09:32 AM   #170
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Does anyone know when this was filmed???? I know they really dislike american cars..... other than hammond. I wonder what the specs on that Camaro were and when it was filmed. When they reviewed the GT500 (flame suit on =( ) It was a pre-production model with No SVT tuned suspension, no brembos, the wrong crank damper and intake manifold. It was basically a mustang GT with the 5.4L in it. Top Gear is a bit sketchy but the cineamatography is great and it is very entertaining.
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Old 07-12-2010, 09:39 AM   #171
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Does anyone know when this was filmed???? I know they really dislike american cars..... other than hammond. I wonder what the specs on that Camaro were and when it was filmed. When they reviewed the GT500 (flame suit on =( ) It was a pre-production model with No SVT tuned suspension, no brembos, the wrong crank damper and intake manifold. It was basically a mustang GT with the 5.4L in it. Top Gear is a bit sketchy but the cineamatography is great and it is very entertaining.
The Show is for entertainment and the hosts are all actually journalists. The show also often gets pre-production models for filming purposes and the models are not quite up to par.

As stated above things they changed on the GT500 for production were,

New crank damper (half the weight and size)
added brembos
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Changed intake manifold (wasn't getting enough air to the S/C)
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Now for the Camaro didn't they re- flash the computer in the l99's or something???

and one more thing, the AMG 0-60 4.5 seconds (Camaro is similiar)...blah blah blah
you have to pay attention to the word use they said the AMG is faster i.e. Top speed, but they failed to mention who was quicker I mean if they line them up in a straightline I am sure it would be a great race
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Old 07-12-2010, 09:43 AM   #172
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Not unexpected, but still entertaining I'm not sure how apples-to-apples that even was, but whatever. Still my favorite show.
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Old 07-12-2010, 10:10 AM   #173
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The review wasn't so bad, the comparison was a good thing, so it could be hold agains a higher standard manufacturer and a better car but it's when they gave the time away 1:27.9 they all started to laught like it was a big joke...sad. :(
When you look the the Power lap board the Camaro is on top of a lot of "better cars" and more expensive ones... and the ones it should be compared in it's category.

Here is the POwer lap board:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/show/powerlaps.shtml
Thanks for the list, i was looking for this. Not bad considering we beat out a m3, sti, evo, and 911 turbo. I would of thought those could have took us in a track course comparing stock to stock.
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I hear Adam Corolla wants to do an American version of Top Gear. I dare say it would be better.
If left to enthusiasts and out of the hands of "journalists".
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