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07152010, 06:09 PM  #1 
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Rear End Gears 101
After seeing numerous threads about gears, I figured I would do a small write up. Hopefully when people search and find this, they find their answers. Maybe it is good enough to even become a sticky. If you feel anything is wrong or maybe I left something out, feel free to comment and I will add it accordingly.
What is a ring and pinion? Simple answer: Your driveshaft spins a pinion. Your pinion in turn spins the vertically mounted ring gear. Your ring gear is directly bolted to your differential, which turns your halfshafts/axles. Here is a quick illustration (please note that this is a solid axle system, not an independent rear suspension, like our cars have. I choose to use this picture, because I feel it is easier to grasp the concept of a ring and pinion through a solid axle) Part number 8 is your ring and pinion. The part on the right is your pinion, the part on the left is the ring gear What do the numbers "3.73" "4.10" "4.33" etc mean? Simple answer: It is how many times your driveshaft turns for every time your wheel spins once. For example, with 4.33's, if your wheels spins once, your driveshaft will turn 4 1/3 times. A simple formula to figure out what gear ratio you have is to take the number of ring teeth there are and divide it by the number of pinion teeth there are. Will I loose top speed if I do gears? Simple answer: No! actually if anything you will gain top speed! A stock LS3 top speed in 6th gear, with factory gears is 269 mph! Your car will never see that kind of speed (well if yours does, my hats off to you!). Assuming your speed governer is removed, you will be limited by how much power you are making and aerodynamics. Putting a more aggressive gear ratio in will put you in a higher rpm, which means you will be putting more power to the ground, getting you to a higher mph. What gear ratio is best for me? Simple answer: Automatics: 3.73's Manuals: 4.10's More in depth answer: It varies on your setup. The main factor (assuming that the car's goal is optimal 1/4 mile time) is that you want to be a few hundred rpms past your redline when crossing the traps in the 1/4 mile. A quick run down, if you trap the following in the 1/4... then here's a general idea of what gear you should get (this is assuming you have a 6200 redline... if yours is different, then use the calculator found on the bottom of this post): Manuals: < 122 mph: 4.33's 122129 mph: 4.10 129142 mph: 3.73 142153 mph: 3.45 Automatics: < 106 mph: 4.33's 106112 mph: 4.10 112123 mph: 3.73 123133 mph: 3.45 133140 mph: 3.27 Now this is assuming you have the suspension and tires to effectively utilize the given gear ratio. Some people ask "Well can I put 4.10's in my L99/6L80E?" The quick answer: Yes... but it is going to be an interesting ride. GM isn't dumb and knew that this heavy car was going to need some help getting moving, and put a steep 4.027 for 1st gear in the automatics. Paired that 4.10's, it will be A VERY AGGRESSIVE 1st gear. If you have the suspension/tire to withstand it, it will be a very very aggressive launch. That being said, putting a more aggressive ring and pinion allows you to get into your "powerband" faster. Your powerband is the "sweet spot," so to say, of your motor, where it makes the most useable power. The faster you get into it, the faster your car goes. On the other end of the spectrum, you can "run out of gear." This is when you go past your power gear (4th gear for our cars) and have to shift into overdrive. This does not offer an ideal 1/4 mile time Can I install gears myself? Yes, but I would highly recommend against it, unless you've had some practice. Setting up gears is very time consuming and takes a little experience to get it right. I would suggest having someone with you that has done a few, if you are attempting to do this yourself. It is very easy to mess something up, and gets very frustrating. And the results can be catastraphic. If you do not have this knowledge/experience at your disposal, I would highly recommend getting the work done at a reputable shop. Will I gain rwhp if I install a set of gears? No. Actually if anything, you might lose a little bit of rwhp (a negligable amount) due to an increase in parasitic drivetrain loss. This is greatly offset, because you will be getting into your powerband faster. The "butt dyno" will think you gained a lot of power, because you will be climbing the rpms faster, but in reality, you will be at the same power level. Are gears noisey? Simple answer: Yes and No. It's kind of a trick question. Some gears will make noise... even when properly setup. However, a good indication that the gears are not setup properly is excessive noise. This is why it is highly recommended to have someone, who knows what they are doing, around. I'm not saying one can't have a "crash course" and get it right on their first try. But it is not worth the risk, in my opinion. Should I do anything else when I'm doing the ring and pinion? Simple answer: Yes! It is a great time to install a set of differential bushings, as the differential will already be out, and it's one of those "well while I'm in there" things. Differential bushings are fairly inexpensive and will save you time and money down the road. I installed a set of gears, it lowered my ET, but my mph (trap speed) went down? What's wrong?! Simple answer: Absolutely nothing! As mentioned before, you are not adding horsepower with a set of gears, you are just accelerating faster. So your car just doesn't make it up to 115 mph to finish the 1/4 mile now, it only has to get up to 112 mph (I'm just making up numbers here, they are not accurate). Generally speaking, the higher you go with a gear, the lower your ET will get, but it will also lower your trap speeds. This is assuming you are not running out of gear in the last part of the 1320. Are 4.10's prone to breakage? I feel this is a touchy subject. Some say yes, I say no. There have been a few failures. But what you don't read is how many people haven't broken their 4.10's. I hope no one hijacks this thread and turns it into a "are 4.10s weak?" thread, but in this thread, it will just be left as: "Do a search, and make your own decision" If you feel I should add anything, or anything is incorrect, please say so, and I will adjust this post accordingly. I will end this with an old saying that I was once told: "Don't fear the gear!" A few numbers that people will ask.... Manual transmissions (LS3/TR6060) 3.45 gears: Top speed in X gear: 1st: 51 mph 2nd: 74 mph 3rd: 107 mph 4th: 153 mph 5th: 182 mph 6th: 269 mph RPM at XX mph in 6th gear: 60 mph: 1380 rpm 70 mph: 1610 rpm 80 mph: 1850 rpm 3.73 gears: Top speed in X gear: 1st: 47 mph 2nd: 68 mph 3rd: 99 mph 4th: 142 mph 5th: 169 mph 6th: 249 mph RPM at XX mph in 6th gear: 60 mph: 1500 rpm 70 mph: 1750 rpm 80 mph: 2000 rpm 4.10 gears: Top speed in X gear: 1st: 43 mph 2nd: 62 mph 3rd: 90 mph 4th: 129 mph 5th: 154 mph 6th: 226 mph RPM at XX mph in 6th gear: 60 mph: 1650 rpm 70 mph: 1925 rpm 80 mph: 2200 rpm 4.33 gears: Top speed in X gear: 1st: 41 mph 2nd: 59 mph 3rd: 85 mph 4th: 122 mph 5th: 145 mph 6th: 214 mph RPM at XX mph in 6th gear: 60 mph: 1733 rpm 70 mph: 2025 rpm 80 mph: 2325 rpm Automatic transmissions (L99/6L80E) 3.27 gears: Top speed in X gear: 1st: 40 mph 2nd: 68 mph 3rd: 106 mph 4th: 140 mph 5th: 190 mph 6th: 242 mph RPM at XX mph in 6th gear: 60 mph: 1525 rpm 70 mph: 1800 rpm 80 mph: 2050 rpm 3.45 gears: Top speed in X gear: 1st: 38 mph 2nd: 65 mph 3rd: 100 mph 4th: 133 mph 5th: 180 mph 6th: 230 mph RPM at XX mph in 6th gear: 60 mph: 1625 rpm 70 mph: 1900 rpm 80 mph: 2125 rpm 3.73 gears: Top speed in X gear: 1st: 35 mph 2nd: 60 mph 3rd: 90 mph 4th: 123 mph 5th: 166 mph 6th: 212 mph RPM at XX mph in 6th gear: 60 mph: 1750 rpm 70 mph: 2033 rpm 80 mph: 2333 rpm 4.10 gears: Top speed in X gear: 1st: 32 mph 2nd: 55 mph 3rd: 84 mph 4th: 112 mph 5th: 151 mph 6th: 193 mph RPM at XX mph in 6th gear: 60 mph: 1933 rpm 70 mph: 2033 rpm 80 mph: 2566 rpm 4.33 gears: Top speed in X gear: 1st: 30 mph 2nd: 52 mph 3rd: 80 mph 4th: 106 mph 5th: 143 mph 6th: 183 mph RPM at XX mph in 6th gear: 60 mph: 2033 rpm 70 mph: 2366 rpm 80 mph: 2700 rpm If you have a different redline or different than stock height tires, and feel like doing the calculations yourself. Or if you are bored and feel like playing with some numbers, I use this calculator: http://fbody.org/gears/ The Gear Ratios for a TR6060 (manual) are: 1st: 3.01 2nd: 2.07 3rd: 1.43 4th: 1.00 5th: 0.84 6th: 0.57 R: 3.28 The Gear Ratios for a 6L80E (automatic) are: 1st: 4.027 2nd: 2.364 3rd: 1.532 4th: 1.152 5th: 0.852 6th: 0.667 R: 3.064
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07152010, 06:20 PM  #2 
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Very nice post!!! You spent a lot of time on a calculator.

07152010, 06:32 PM  #3 
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Fantastic! This is the kind of tech data we need here!
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07152010, 06:44 PM  #4 
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here is another good formula. tire diameter to calculate new gear ratio.
new tire dia divide by old tire dia times your current gear ratio equals your new gear ratio. 29.7 divide 28.7 times 3.27 equals new gear ratio of 3.38
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07152010, 06:50 PM  #5 
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What can I say? I'm Asian.
And since I'm obviously not fulfilling the "driving a honda civic" stereotype, I gotta fill the void elsewhere.
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07152010, 07:23 PM  #6 
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07152010, 07:28 PM  #7 
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Great job. Definately Wiki worthy.

07152010, 08:00 PM  #8  
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I tried flip flopping the old tire diameter and new tire diameter, and it is still not accurate.
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07152010, 08:08 PM  #9 
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So then putting 3.45 or 3.73 gears in a V6 would reduce the stress on the transmission then if it comes with 3.07 gears right?

07152010, 08:13 PM  #10 
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Nice post, best so far for all previous attempts!
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After a little research. It looks like that is the formula to get the gear you need to maintain the same rpm with new tire size.
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07152010, 08:17 PM  #12 
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Great info! Can you help me out? If my automatic car redlines at around 6500 with the 3.27 gear what should my top speed be in 4th gear?

07152010, 08:18 PM  #13  
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Good info... You may want to correct this...
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07152010, 08:26 PM  #14  
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Translation: I gave you a link to the calculator, and gave you numbers to put into it.... be a big boy and figure it out yourself I don't know what you are talking about.... haha... it's fixed... I forgot to change that when I went back and changed the example. I am doing/did this write up at work... give me some slack here. lol
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