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Old 08-17-2013, 06:51 PM   #1
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SS 6L80e to TR6060 swap

Instead of de-modding and selling this car, and purchasing another that has a manual trans, I've elected to take the "unpaved road" so to speak and swap in the tremec tr6060 transmission myself.







my parts list so far include:
  • manual transmission BCM (may not need)
  • manual transmission engine harness
  • manual transmission dash harness
  • clutch and brake pedal from manual car
  • TR6060 transmission
  • transmission mount
  • drive shaft setup from manual car
  • trans coolant lines
  • shifter boot and handle
  • pilot bearing
  • trans fluid
Aftermarket upgrades and extras list so far is:
  • mgw short throw shifter
  • clutch reservoir
  • DSS 1400hp axle shafts
  • HUD setup (might as well since ill be in there)
  • braided clutch line
  • street slayer twin carbon clutch and flywheel
Obviously this is not a cheap swap, as ive already spent about $6500, a lot of it was on aftermarket upgrades. I have about 3200 for all of the factory parts, which included a 2012 TR6060 transmission with about 400 miles on it. After taking into consideration the modifications the car already has, I would lose a huge amount of time, effort, and money putting it back to stock and selling this car only to re-install everything on another car that wouldn't be in any better condition, or smell newer inside.
obviously this swap would not make sense at all for anyone who can not do their own work on their vehicles, or care about any warranties. I could only imagine what a shop would charge to do this swap on an hourly rate.

Im going to start tearing the car apart next weekend, and ill post pics of my progress. I doubt this will be a one weekend job.
According to others, the mechanical components all bolt right up, the trick here will be to get the electronics to work together as it would on a manual car.







Armed with only a service manual, tools and a large set of cajones, my plan is to:
  • remove and reinstall the dash to incorporate the HUD, the pedal setup from the manual car, and the dash wiring harness from the manual car. The harness is different, it allows for the clutch pedal switch. I also read somewhere that there is an extra connector to the instrument cluster, but I have not confirmed yet.
  • remove automatic transmission setup, and install manual transmission setup.
  • create a "hybrid" wiring harness to work with the L99 engine and the Tremec 6 speed transmission.
  • modify the ECM and TCM using HP tuners software to reflect the transmission swap.
I know I will come up against a few unplanned issues, but hopefully in the next 2-3 weeks I can get this to all work as well as a factory built manual car.
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Old 08-19-2013, 08:21 AM   #2
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Andy at ADM just swapped my car from a TR6060 to a stalled 6L80. I have a ZR1 clutch, RPM level IV 6060, LPE flywheel, DSS 1 piece driveshaft, wiring harness, shifter, pedal assembly & everything else that came out of the car. All parts only have 3,000 miles on them, let me know if you need something.
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Old 09-06-2013, 09:35 PM   #3
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Just waiting on clutch to arrive....
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Old 09-07-2013, 11:25 AM   #4
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I take it you don't drag race much? I hope not, because welcome to a world of crap with that manual trans if you do! Good luck with your swap though, 6 speed is definetly more fun on the street.
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Old 09-07-2013, 11:32 AM   #5
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There is only a 1/8 track out here, the 1/4 was shut down a couple years ago.
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Old 09-09-2013, 12:16 PM   #6
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Do you have to change the wiring harness out?
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Old 09-09-2013, 01:15 PM   #7
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I have the wiring harness planned out already, im going to add the wiring in separately.
i have the dash wiring, i may or may not swap that out.
i ordered the connectors off ebay, they should be here in a couple days.

im also still waiting for the clutch to come in.
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Old 09-10-2013, 11:11 AM   #8
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Keep us up to date I am on the fence about doing this
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Old 09-10-2013, 03:58 PM   #9
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Im really curious how much the RWHP will go up.
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Im really curious how much the RWHP will go up.
Alot! I get depressed when I think about how much I lost.
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Ya me to I was wanting to get 500 rwhp and I am at 480 it will go up over that by the time the swap
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Old 09-12-2013, 03:24 PM   #12
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CLUTCH JUST CAME IN!
I know what im doing this weekend!
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Old 09-19-2013, 11:33 AM   #13
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Subscribed!!

This guy did same: May help you.
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Old 09-21-2013, 06:24 PM   #14
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Its going down right now.

auto trans is out, dash is out, and im putting in pedals now.
I ran into a small issue

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...11#post7024611

im going to go install the clutch and trans now, hopefully I can get a measurement off a manual car so I can mount the clutch pedal.

the auto trans is really heavy compared to the manual!
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Old 09-21-2013, 09:30 PM   #15
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My car is now a 6 speed manual.

still a lot of work to do, I need to drill the firewall and install the clutch pedal, then change over the wiring, and re-install the dash/interior.
I doubt ill have it done tomorrow, but should be done by next weekend.
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How hard is the wiring?
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Old 09-23-2013, 03:26 PM   #17
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Not that bad. 8 wires from the trans to the ECM / Underhood fuse block, 3 long wires for the clutch to the ECM. Ill post schematics of any changes after its all together.
i will tell you that there is some wire cutting happening in the steering column, at the ecm, and in the transmission harness.

I was going to change out the harness with one from a stick car, but it must have had a different radio it in, because the speaker connections were different.
The worst part was getting the trans in place. I had to spin the trans about 30 degrees to get it to clear the transmission tunnel, push it into the clutch, then spin it straight. I seriously considered plucking the engine to get it in.

all of the drivetrain is done, i still need to finish the wiring up at the ecm/fusebox area, install and wire the clutch pedal, re-install the exhaust and dash/interior.
probably a few other things as well.
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clutch pedal installed, HUD installed into dash panel.
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Old 09-27-2013, 06:26 AM   #19
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Subscribed for wire write up. I did this in my WS6 .....want hard at all. I've only had my ss 2 days and already thinking of collecting parts to do it again. Take plenty of pics lol
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Subscribed for wire write up. I did this in my WS6 .....want hard at all. I've only had my ss 2 days and already thinking of collecting parts to do it again. Take plenty of pics lol
Sorry if I offend the OP. I have everythig you need, I posted the list earlier in this thread, I'm driving to Texas for the Texas Mile at the end of October. I could put it all in the trailer if your interested.
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Old 09-28-2013, 08:34 PM   #21
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Car is nearly together, I only need connect in the new wiring to the ECM, fill with fluids and bleed the clutch hydraulics, and install the exhaust. It will finish up tomorrow, unless I run into wiring issues (depends upon accuracy of wiring diagrams in service manual).
If you aren't adding in a HUD, I don't think it would be necessary to remove the dash.
This job isn't all that hard to someone who has changed transmissions previously, but it is tedious and time consuming to make it all look factory top to bottom. so far I have about 35 hours into it, including the new rear axles, and HUD install.
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Old 09-29-2013, 04:43 AM   #22
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Did you install a speed/one man bleeder for the clutch? Mine has been a life saver.
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Old 09-29-2013, 09:47 AM   #23
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I have a vacuum pump, I shouldn't need it (I hope).
Otherwise ill pick one up.
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Don't you still have to hook it up to the slave cylinder? It's a pain to get to it.
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Old 09-29-2013, 01:44 PM   #25
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The car is 2 feet in the air, getting to it is not a problem.

Unfortunately, the o-ring on the steel line going into the slave cylinder is tore and is leaking fluid.

I may be done for the day unless the hardware has something.
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