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1bad65 · 10-07-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TaylorRyan74

I am on this website because I actually like the camaro and am getting one next year... you said you do not like the new camaro, so you really have no reason to be on here

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Originally Posted by CamaroFemme

Truth.

If you don't a) own or b) are interested in a fifth gen Camaro, why would you spend time on a fifth gen forum?

Again; this section is called the "Chevy Camaro vs..." area. It's for people to compare the Camaro to OTHER cars out there. Obviously the owners of some of those cars will post in this section. Imo, that's what this section was created for.

Of course if owners of other cars go into the OTHER sections and compare the Camaro to different cars, it's a different story.

Lee9710 · 10-07-2009, 04:00 PM

You are correct it is a Camaro vs. page but too many take it as a Camaro bashing section.

ironpeddler · 10-07-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

I am interested in where the Camaro might be going. There are certain aspects of it I don't like but those things may get addressed and changed so why not be on here. If GM turns it into something I want and enough of my criteria are met i will buy one. it won't be the first Camaro i have owned.

Bro, don't feel like you need to give anyone a reason as to why you are on these forums. Last time i checked this was and still is a public forum with no criteria to be a member. As long as your aren't threating people or whatever other offense that might get you banned, you have every right to be here as the next person. If somebody doesn't like it tell them to grab a tissue and go cry to someone who actually cares.

I am on this forum cause I can be. Period.

I could care less what your opinion is as to why someone should or shouldn't be here.

It's to bad that there can't be a logical/competent discussion on a mustang vs. camaro thread without people from one side or the other becoming so offensive that it totally gets de-railed.

1bad65 · 10-07-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee9710

You are correct it is a Camaro vs. page but too many take it as a Camaro bashing section.

Sadly, that's the case on any forum that allows discussion. Just figure out who the fanboys are, and put them on ignore. But if you start banning or attacking anyone in a VS section for discussing other cars, the forum will end up like certain other forums where that happens.

Part of the reason I post on various car forums is to gain knowledge of other vehicles out there. I would not post on a Mustang forum where it was "In every way the Mustang is the best" all the time. I like a little good-natured discussion on the age old Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge topic. Of course ricers are of zero interest to me.

rObOtOm3000 · 10-07-2009, 04:13 PM

Lets get this back on the original track, OK? I have owned 2 Mustang GTs (86 and 88), a 77 Camaro LT, a 88 IROC 5.7, a 95 Z28 and now a 2010 SS. Also had a Ford Aerostar and an Astro. I loved my Mustangs, loved the Camaros and loved the Astro & Aerostar (for minivans that is). But the thing that made me switch from Ford to Chevy was not the car, but the service. Everytime I took my stangs in for service (in warranty) the dealer would spend more time looking for non-warranty-covered items to blame it on than fixing the problem. My 88 Aerostar's cruise control went bad - totally dead. It was an 88 and so was my stang at the time so I swapped the cruise modules and it followed the module. Took it to the dealer and they call back and say that there is a hose in the fender that was partially pinched and that had to be fixed before the module would be swapped - at over $450 to me!! I told him it was the module and how I knew and they said "it doesn't matter if the module is bad - you have to fix this first or we won't even look at the module." The mod is right under the dash and pulls out in 2 sec - they spent more of their tech's time doing this crap. Had a friend with a Ford F150 that they pulled similar crap to. The cars were great but the dealer sucked. Tried 3 dealers in all and they all pulled the same crap.

My 88 GT developed a problem with the paint on the hood - clearly the paint was bubbling up from the primer. Car was not even 6 months old. The dealer said "you are using the wrong kind of car wax and its is ruining the paint." I said "prove it". But in the end, they didn't fix it. Had to go to 2 other dealers before one finally repainted the hood. BUT when I got it back it was FULL of crud like they left it outside to dry. I found bugs, dirt and even a 8" long hair in the paint. I took it back to another dealer to fix what the last dealer did to it.

Of course there will be those that say "that was 20 years ago dude, things have changed" and I say no they haven't. Everyone I know with fords have the same problems - they don't honor their warranty and their service sucks. Show me a happy ford driver and I'll show you someone who has never had to take their car into get it fixed at the dealer.

Chevy 4ever!

KoTToN · 10-07-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CamaroFemme

Hey Kotton, the pink foofy PonyGirl thing - that's a joke, right? I mean...this muscle car brand isn't coming out w/ a line of adolescent teenybopper clothing - right?

I mean..right?

http://www.brandweek.com/bw/content_...d99f5b86aba029

http://www.autoblog.com/tag/pony+girl/

http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/news/2009/04/082.shtml

Zeus · 10-07-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 1bad65

They do this primarily to keep prices lower. Ford readily admits the alternative will add several thousand dollars to the sticker price, and they do not want to do that. And the GTs are priced very comparatively to the Camaros, and alot better than Challengers.

And fyi, those Mustangs with their primitive parts are out-handling the Camaros.

The Camaro's could be priced lower if they offered cheap outdated parts too lol.

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Originally Posted by 1bad65

You may well have done it a few times. I'm not calling you a liar. But you said "in most cases" and I disagree with that statement.

The GT500 has more than 100 more hp, weighs less, and has taller gears (3:55s) than the Camaro SS. So there is no way that the Camaro SS wins "in most cases".

right, Wrong, and right.

All-Or-Nothing · 10-07-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KoTToN

http://www.brandweek.com/bw/content_...d99f5b86aba029

http://www.autoblog.com/tag/pony+girl/

http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/news/2009/04/082.shtml

That's better than the ads for Gay men.

KoTToN · 10-07-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 1bad65

You may well have done it a few times. I'm not calling you a liar. But you said "in most cases" and I disagree with that statement.

The GT500 has more than 100 more hp, weighs less, and has taller gears (3:55s) than the Camaro SS. So there is no way that the Camaro SS wins "in most cases".

2009 gt500 curb weight -3,920

2010 Camaro curb weight- 3,780

CamaroFemme · 10-07-2009, 04:28 PM

Whoa, whoa. No one is saying he has no right to be here. I'm just saying, if you dislike the car, why ARE you here? It's fine if you do or don't like any car. I'm just wondering why you would waste your time on a forum for a car you dislike that vehemently. That sounds trollish to me. Check his posting history. It definitely doesn't sound like he's here because he's "interested in where the Camaro is going."

1bad65 · 10-07-2009, 04:39 PM

Zeus, alot of people do prefer the Live Rear Axle design. It's really not this inferior, outdated technology like some people make it out to be.

And yes, I was wrong on the GT500 and Camaro SS weights. The GT500 is indeed heavier.

All-Or-Nothing · 10-07-2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CamaroFemme

Whoa, whoa. No one is saying he has no right to be here. I'm just saying, if you dislike the car, why ARE you here? It's fine if you do or don't like any car. I'm just wondering why you would waste your time on a forum for a car you dislike that vehemently. That sounds trollish to me. Check his posting history. It definitely doesn't sound like he's here because he's "interested in where the Camaro is going."

Seems like you need to put me on ignore and i have never posted a "vehement" dislike for the Camaro.

Zeus · 10-07-2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 1bad65

Zeus, alot of people do prefer the Live Rear Axle design. It's really not this inferior, outdated technology like some people make it out to be.

And yes, I was wrong on the GT500 and Camaro SS weights. The GT500 is indeed heavier.

Mosher · 10-07-2009, 05:27 PM

HHmmmmm

Well... Make sure the Teacher does not drive a Mustang imo!

Sleestack · 10-07-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 1bad65

Zeus, alot of people do prefer the Live Rear Axle design. It's really not this inferior, outdated technology like some people make it out to be.

And yes, I was wrong on the GT500 and Camaro SS weights. The GT500 is indeed heavier.

The GT500 weighs 3920 lbs with the upgraded Sound System (including 4 amps), or 3850 lbs the standard sound system. Regardless, 20-60 lb difference either way is really splitting hairs. There is likely a bigger delta between the weight of 2 randomly chosen drivers........

Georgie · 10-07-2009, 05:47 PM

per chevy the curb weight for the SS is 3849; it is about 70lbs lighter than the current GT500

chain1 · 10-07-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by KoTToN

2009 gt500 curb weight -3,920

2010 Camaro curb weight- 3,780

I thought we were comparing the 2010 Camaro SS to the 2010 GT500.
Atleast get your facts right before posting some childish picture:

3913 – SS w/ automatic
3860 – SS w/ manual
3924 - GT500 w/ manual

The 11 pound difference between the auto SS and the gt500 is certainly not enough to make up for 140+ hp as originally insinuated.

Jerseyrican88 · 10-07-2009, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 1bad65

Thank you, All Or Nothing.

It's not rocket science here. The guy is writing a paper comparing MANY different things. He is not just comparing speed. If he was, about 99% of us would freely admit the Camaro is faster.

exactly, im just comparing the current camaro and mustang. im not talking about the history or both of them because that would be way longer than my paper has to be. i am well aware of the mustangs past and how it opened doors for others to come through. but im just talking about whats going on now between the two.

Jerseyrican88 · 10-07-2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee9710

But seriously guys. I have raced many Mustangs since getting my 2010 SS. I have raced GT's and GT500's of all years except for a 2010 GT500. When I was still stock I could keep up with a GT500 pretty well for the power difference. I've read how this car blows everything out of the water but it just isn't true. A buddy of mine beat a '08 GT500 by 1/2 a car length until they got to about 100mph's and then the Stang crept back right as they got through the 1/4 mile mark at the track. I have added a CAI, LT Headers, and got a good tune and I can pull them by 2 car lengths now. The Mustang is truly an inferior car stock for stock. Sure pro driver's can get into the 11's with the GT500 but the truth is that you and me (the average guys) just can't do that. It has been a proven mid 12 second to high 12 second car even with 500hp. The Camaro has been a proven low to mid 13 sec car depending on conditions as well. I have seen this first hand racing them, the difference is not very much at all. I do not hate Mustangs by any means, I really like the GT500s alot and respect them. But to keep bashing the Camaro is crazy, it is 100% the best car of the group for now at least. A 5.0 400hp GT will still not have much of a chance if it even makes it out. I am a true racer, I have raced all kinds of drivers in all kinds of cars, you win some and you lose some, but the difference between a GT500 and a Camaro SS are not that far off at all. It's time to admit this.

exaclty it is the best of the group currently but i dont feel the gt500 should be compared to the ss only the z28 when it does come out in the future

a_Username · 10-07-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by meanmike

Dont forget to mention that the Camaro was'nt made for 8 year's because nobody wanted them and it's only because of the Mustang that the Camaro is here now. Or about how much trouble many people have getting GM to do warranty wotk. And yes the ne Mustang is not much to look at IMO but neither is the Camaro.

The Camaro was produced and done better than the current Mustang and that is all that matters. The only people that care about a pointless history lesson is of course the people who have their feelings hurt over which car is better than the other. I have had no problem whatsoever with my warranty work... I've brought in it twice for A/C related problems and an oil change.

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Originally Posted by 1bad65

Actually the design was a huge reason it sold so well. And why Dodge started making the retro-styled Challenger. I also believe Chevy reintroduced the Camaro because of the 5th Gen Mustangs sales numbers.

As for GM competition during that span, GM was selling the GTO in the US from 2004-2006.

You honestly believe the reason why people bought the Mustangs during this time period was because it was redesigned? Just wow (the answer lies within your own statement!)

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Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

but the sales numbers sucked.....so why was that?

Because most people don't care which is faster, they just want the better looking one, which obviously was the Mustang during this period.

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Originally Posted by Lee9710

With an SS Camaro that can keep up and in most cases beat a GT500..........what on earth makes people think that a new 5.0 GT will beat an SS. Ford won't make a GT comparable in performance to the GT500. I still can't figure out why so many people see the GT500 as the top dog.

This is just a flat out lie.

Jerseyrican88 · 10-07-2009, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ssump29

Why are you guys ****ing benchracing in this thread. You high-jacked his thread. No one wants to hear you two bitch and moan back and forth. The op wants reasons why the Camaro is better then the Mustang not the other way around and not talking about benchracing. If you can't give any helpful information for his cause just get the hell out of this thread before it falls all the way off the cliff and gets closed down.

Geez you guys will turn anything into a this is better because situation. Man you guys and your E-penises. get over it./rant

PS the GT500 weighs more then the SS. GT500 (3920) SS(3841)

thank you, i kinda had a feeling this would happen, thats why i said in the beginning with the start of the thread that the gt500 i feel should not be compared to the ss. only the gt

Jerseyrican88 · 10-07-2009, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 1bad65

I freely admit this as well. Stock vs stock of course.

this is what im bascially trying to explain here, stock for stock. no mods, nothing at all added just straight from the factory

Jerseyrican88 · 10-07-2009, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mosher

HHmmmmm

Well... Make sure the Teacher does not drive a Mustang imo!

lol im sure, no one in the student parking lot owns one

Sleestack · 10-07-2009, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by chain1

I thought we were comparing the 2010 Camaro SS to the 2010 GT500.
Atleast get your facts right before posting some childish picture:

3913 – SS w/ automatic
3860 – SS w/ manual
3924 - GT500 w/ manual
3850 - GT500 w standard sound system

The 11 pound difference between the auto SS and the gt500 is certainly not enough to make up for 140+ hp as originally insinuated.

Again, the GT500 without the upgraded sound-system is 3,850.......I am amazed how much the sound system weighs, but it does include subs, sub box, and 4 amps.

Jerseyrican88 · 10-07-2009, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chain1

I thought we were comparing the 2010 Camaro SS to the 2010 GT500.
Atleast get your facts right before posting some childish picture:

3913 – SS w/ automatic
3860 – SS w/ manual
3924 - GT500 w/ manual

The 11 pound difference between the auto SS and the gt500 is certainly not enough to make up for 140+ hp as originally insinuated.

i started this off by stating that i am only comparing the v6 to the v6 and ss to gt and that the gt500 i feel should not be compared yet, only to the z28 when it comes out

10-07-2009, 04:00 PM	#202
Lee9710 Drives: 2013 Summit White ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Yelm, WA Posts: 616 View My Garage	You are correct it is a Camaro vs. page but too many take it as a Camaro bashing section. __________________ Proud Owner of the baddest Camaro ever built ZL1

10-07-2009, 04:13 PM	#205
rObOtOm3000 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Posts: 9	Back on track Lets get this back on the original track, OK? I have owned 2 Mustang GTs (86 and 88), a 77 Camaro LT, a 88 IROC 5.7, a 95 Z28 and now a 2010 SS. Also had a Ford Aerostar and an Astro. I loved my Mustangs, loved the Camaros and loved the Astro & Aerostar (for minivans that is). But the thing that made me switch from Ford to Chevy was not the car, but the service. Everytime I took my stangs in for service (in warranty) the dealer would spend more time looking for non-warranty-covered items to blame it on than fixing the problem. My 88 Aerostar's cruise control went bad - totally dead. It was an 88 and so was my stang at the time so I swapped the cruise modules and it followed the module. Took it to the dealer and they call back and say that there is a hose in the fender that was partially pinched and that had to be fixed before the module would be swapped - at over $450 to me!! I told him it was the module and how I knew and they said "it doesn't matter if the module is bad - you have to fix this first or we won't even look at the module." The mod is right under the dash and pulls out in 2 sec - they spent more of their tech's time doing this crap. Had a friend with a Ford F150 that they pulled similar crap to. The cars were great but the dealer sucked. Tried 3 dealers in all and they all pulled the same crap. My 88 GT developed a problem with the paint on the hood - clearly the paint was bubbling up from the primer. Car was not even 6 months old. The dealer said "you are using the wrong kind of car wax and its is ruining the paint." I said "prove it". But in the end, they didn't fix it. Had to go to 2 other dealers before one finally repainted the hood. BUT when I got it back it was FULL of crud like they left it outside to dry. I found bugs, dirt and even a 8" long hair in the paint. I took it back to another dealer to fix what the last dealer did to it. Of course there will be those that say "that was 20 years ago dude, things have changed" and I say no they haven't. Everyone I know with fords have the same problems - they don't honor their warranty and their service sucks. Show me a happy ford driver and I'll show you someone who has never had to take their car into get it fixed at the dealer. Chevy 4ever!

10-07-2009, 05:47 PM	#216
Georgie Drives: Camaro... soon Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,217	per chevy the curb weight for the SS is 3849; it is about 70lbs lighter than the current GT500 __________________ 2011 IOM or CGM 1SS

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10-07-2009, 04:28 PM	#210
CamaroFemme Drives: 2010 Black Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 1,898	Whoa, whoa. No one is saying he has no right to be here. I'm just saying, if you dislike the car, why ARE you here? It's fine if you do or don't like any car. I'm just wondering why you would waste your time on a forum for a car you dislike that vehemently. That sounds trollish to me. Check his posting history. It definitely doesn't sound like he's here because he's "interested in where the Camaro is going."

10-07-2009, 04:39 PM	#211
1bad65 Banned Drives: 2007 Mustang GT Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Austin Posts: 1,148	Zeus, alot of people do prefer the Live Rear Axle design. It's really not this inferior, outdated technology like some people make it out to be. And yes, I was wrong on the GT500 and Camaro SS weights. The GT500 is indeed heavier.

10-07-2009, 05:27 PM	#214
Mosher Drives: 1LT Cruze Summit White Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Bedford Posts: 708	HHmmmmm Well... Make sure the Teacher does not drive a Mustang imo!