D3 Supercharger for the V6 Camaro

[Xanthos]

Bore the block to 4.0, replace the pistons, cam, and tune.
- Xanthos

P.S. - By the way, I suppose I'm not being completely serious. While these are all possible ways to boost power output, I highly doubt any will be remotely cost effective. I might consider a vortech kit if they come out with one though. I wouldn't every buy one from somewhere like D3 - I would want my kit designed and produced by somebody who solely does superchargers.

[Camaro_Corvette]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Did you know that they tried to make the ZR1 with Turbos first?

I think so, didn't that result in an overabundance of heat

[Dragoneye]

Originally Posted by camaro_corvette

I think so, didn't that result in an overabundance of heat

Yes, they had a "Thermal Event".

[Camaro_Corvette]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Yes, they had a "Thermal Event".

Oh! That was the specific words used. I couldn't think of it.

[Xanthos]

So... did they have a heat issue or something then?
- Xanthos

[Dragoneye]

There's no "official" story...but apparently, they attempted a twin turbo setup, and the engine bay was just too cramped -and hot -- resulting in the car catching fire.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

There's no "official" story...but apparently, they attempted a twin turbo setup, and the engine bay was just too cramped -and hot -- resulting in the car catching fire.

that was god's way of saying it needed a supercharger.

[Xanthos]

I can see it now...

"Well, it was producing roughly the heat output of a small star..."
- Xanthos

P.S. - Right now, if I do end up going forced induction, it'll either be an STS turbo kit or a Vortech kit. I don't really trust the D3 kit. Let the car dealer sell cars.

[BowtieGuy]

Originally Posted by XanthosV6

I can see it now...

"Well, it was producing roughly the heat output of a small star..."
- Xanthos

P.S. - Right now, if I do end up going forced induction, it'll either be an STS turbo kit or a Vortech kit. I don't really trust the D3 kit. Let the car dealer sell cars.

Bleh. Externally mounted turbos and centrifugal superchargers. Fail

[Dragoneye]

Originally Posted by BowtieGuy

Bleh. Externally mounted turbos

Remotely mounted...unless you shove the turbo down the manifold, they're all technically external.

And those little guys put out some impressive numbers. It's just...different.

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by BowtieGuy

Bleh. Externally mounted turbos and centrifugal superchargers. Fail

Meh. I'll be staying N/A anyway - but if Magnuson (or any other manifold type blower, for that matter) made a supercharger for the new V6, I'd definitely buy it. Not going to happen though, unfortunately.
- Xanthos

P.S. - And because its not going to happen, I'd be going STS if I do end up doing F.I.

[BowtieGuy]

Semantics. Technically they are external of the engine bay area. They have made big power, but they aren't very streetable (IMO) because of all the things that can go wrong with that mounting location.

[Dragoneye]

Originally Posted by BowtieGuy

Semantics. Technically they are external of the engine bay area.

I know, I'm just rippin' on ya.

Originally Posted by BowtieGuy

They have made big power, but they aren't very streetable (IMO) because of all the things that can go wrong with that mounting location.

Curious...like what?

[Xanthos]

Once again - I agree that we're arguing semantics.

Plus, there really isn't anything that could convince me to go F.I. unless it was able to guarantee that I wouldn't have to modify my current intake/exhaust plans. As it stands, once cams are out (I think more lift would REALLY wake this engine up and give it a ton more torque) I think 400 or even 425-450 flywheel horses will be easily attainable on this engine with no boost. And keeping it emissions legal at that.
- Xanthos

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Remotely mounted...unless you shove the turbo down the manifold, they're all technically external.

And those little guys put out some impressive numbers. It's just...different.

like this?

Originally Posted by BowtieGuy

Semantics. Technically they are external of the engine bay area. They have made big power, but they aren't very streetable (IMO) because of all the things that can go wrong with that mounting location.

thats normally only true on custom setups. most people who will be going f/i will be going with aftermarket kits designed specifically for this motor. then again, with a remote mount turbo, you can pick whatever size you want.

[zebra]

^^ as impressive as that engine is supposed to be, all i can say is 'thank God i ain't gotta work on it!'

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by zebra

^^ as impressive as that engine is supposed to be, all i can say is 'thank God i ain't gotta work on it!'

I would love to play with one.

[BowtieGuy]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I know, I'm just rippin' on ya.


Curious...like what?

Street trash (paper, rocks, dirt) getting trapped around the turbo, maybe getting jammed in the impeller, driving through a puddle of water that splashes on the housing (cool water+super heated metal=no bueno), going over a bump or steepish incline (especially if you lower the vehicle which is common) and tearing off an oil line or hose, vandalism/thievery etc. There's just too many variables you expose it to when its just sitting under the car.

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

thats normally only true on custom setups. most people who will be going f/i will be going with aftermarket kits designed specifically for this motor. then again, with a remote mount turbo, you can pick whatever size you want.

Since we were talking about STS turbos, that is a fully custom setup. A true kit for the car I wouldn't be too concerned with.

[BowtieGuy]

Originally Posted by zebra

^^ as impressive as that engine is supposed to be, all i can say is 'thank God i ain't gotta work on it!'

Yeah well I don't have a choice in the matter, ass.




I kid, I kid.

[Riderover40]

Originally Posted by headpunter

so they wont if you wait till after the Warranty goes off? waiting to do something because your counting on it breaking your engine doesnt make sense. Either Way you are without a warranty.

I say break da mudder in den pud in a SC or twin turbos !!

[Riderover40]

Who puts kits out there with the cold air, intake, SC(4-6 psi), exhaust, and tune ?? Thas what I'm talkin about.....should be more cost effective for a kit like that ! no?

[Hemlawk]

What would be the cost difference between a S/C vs TT?

Im sure the S/C would be less expensive and easier to install, right?

[RobH]

Originally Posted by carsismeZ06

When I think of turbo's I think of Porsche's and rice-rockets. This is American muscle though. Not German engineering or spikey haired japanese ricers. SUPERCHARGE THAT MOFO!

When I think of turbos, I think of Grand Nationals that run 1/4's in the low 12 second range.

[ZeeTwentyFour]

When I think of turbos, I think of win.

[MadMaxx]

Modern turbo charging applications far exceed traditional supercharger applications. The biggest problem most folks shy away from is packaging constraints. The camaro engine bay isn't nearly as tight as folks make it out to be.

From an engineering standpoint, the 3.6 DI actually sounds like quite the little stormer. DI is still a new concept to most US turners, but anyone who's been in the german arena knows that DI and turbo's fit very well together.

I personally am mulling around a TT concept in my head. I'm far more worried about the 6L50's torque imput ratings than how much power the engine can make. The Asin 6spd isn't exactly a high HP box either.

What this chasiss needs is a responsive turbo setup (400bhp should be a no brainer), a health 300lb weight reduction and a pedders suspension :lol: