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Old 11-13-2008, 10:39 AM   #1
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ls3 ss now 430hp!!!?

I just had and update last night on autobook and this is what changed in the power tain tab
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Engine Order Code LS3

Engine Type HO Gas V8

Displacement 6.2L/378 CID

SAE Net Horsepower @ RPM 430 @ 5900

SAE Net Torque (lb ft) @ RPM 424 @ 4600

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First Gear Ratio (:1) 3.01

Second Gear Ratio (:1) 2.07

Third Gear Ratio (:1) 1.43

Fourth Gear Rato (:1) 1.00

Fifth Gear Ratio (:1) 0.84

Sixth Gear Ratio (:1) 0.57

Reverse Ratio (:1) 3.28

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Alternator Amps 150.00

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Base curb weight (lbs) 3,860.00

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Rotor Diam x Thickness (in) 14 x 1.26 14.4 x 1.1

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Wheelbase (in) 112.30

Length, Overall (in) 190.40

Width, Max w/o mirrors (in) 75.50

Height, Overall (in) 54.20

Tread Width

Tread Width, Front 63.7

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Trunk Volume 11.3

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Passenger Capacity 4

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Seating Position Front Second

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So this means that the Camaro SS is getting the same LS3 that the Corvette has? Wow I hope this is true!
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Old 11-13-2008, 10:44 AM   #3
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if that's actually true, it don't surprise me they released lower numbers first to make actual numbers seem that much better.
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The Corvette LS3's are dynoing around 370 rwhp which translates to 450 crank hp (17% driveline loss). Hopefully we get the same under rated engines.
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I highly doubt that they would release the same horsepower rating for both the Corvette and Camaro, even if both are underrated. This is either a typo or a mistake.
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I highly doubt that they would release the same horsepower rating for both the Corvette and Camaro, even if both are underrated. This is either a typo or a mistake.
it could also just be rounding, like Jeremy on Top Gear said the ZR1 had 640hp
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I highly doubt that they would release the same horsepower rating for both the Corvette and Camaro, even if both are underrated. This is either a typo or a mistake.


With different intake and exhaust, I don't think it will be rated the same as the vette ..

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Old 11-13-2008, 12:28 PM   #8
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it could also just be rounding, like Jeremy on Top Gear said the ZR1 had 640hp

... If you think the LS3s are underrated.... why don't you add 10 more HP at least to what Jeremy just said about ZR1 ....
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With different intake and exhaust, I don't think it will be rated the same as the vette ..

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same intake manifold and the exhaust cant be that different.


im glad they are doing this, simply means they are using the same tune.

also 1_2many, 17% loss is way way high for a corvette drivetrain
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same intake manifold and the exhaust cant be that different.


im glad they are doing this, simply means they are using the same tune.

also 1_2many, 17% loss is way way high for a corvette drivetrain
Intake as in Air Intake .. exhaust in manifolds all the way including catback. It can certainly account for the difference from 430hp to 422hp .. that is only 8hp ..

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I tend to beleive this, you'll find GM underates their hp #'s quite often
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Bone stock C6 Corvette dynoing 392 rwhp. Easy 450 hp at crank.
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I highly doubt that they would release the same horsepower rating for both the Corvette and Camaro, even if both are underrated. This is either a typo or a mistake.
I don't know why you keep saying this.

I can't remember who said it, either Bob Lutz or Ed Peper. Basically they are quoted as saying they have no problems stepping on the corvette where the camaro is concerned.

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I'd advise you not to use the base Corvette as a performance ceiling for the "Top Dog" Camaro.

And here's the release that where Ed Peper (Not Bob Lutz, though I think I remember him mentioning this once before, too) flat out said they aren't worried about stepping on the Corvette:

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/01/11/d...with-ed-peper/
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Bone stock C6 Corvette dynoing 392 rwhp. Easy 450 hp at crank.
means an easy 440hp at 12% loss
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I've never heard of a 12% driveline loss...that's super low. 15% is typical if not more.
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I've never heard of a 12% driveline loss...that's super low. 15% is typical if not more.
typically a manual tranny will yeild 12% loss ... it may be closer to 15% for autos however ... I have found the 12% to be what is accepted now for manual tranny loss .. obviously AWD will yeild greater losses.

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Corvettes aren't really typical drive trains. right?
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Nope, modern Corvette's use a Transaxle, but that doesn't mean it's less efficient.
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Corvettes aren't really typical drive trains. right?
I'm talking expectations on the Camaro .. I doubt the vette sees 15% loss though on the manual ..

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Nice, some how we gained 8hp and what, 16tq? I hope that we do have the EXACT engine with the same underrated hp/tq that the Corvette has. After all, the Corvette will be a lot faster, lighter, and better everything else. I believe there is no reason why we shouldn't have the EXACT engine. Ok, I'm done ranting - sorry.
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I'm talking expectations on the Camaro .. I doubt the vette sees 15% loss though on the manual ..

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The only way to know for sure is dyno the LS three with all accesories, production intake and production exhaust. Take the LS7 in the Z06, one of the car magazines dyno'd it at 479 RWHP, that would be 536bhp at 12%. You'd have to ask is the GM parts LS7 rated at 550hp the same tune as the LS7 in the Z06, that would be a 14.8% drivetrain loss.
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Nice, some how we gained 8hp and what, 16tq? I hope that we do have the EXACT engine with the same underrated hp/tq that the Corvette has. After all, the Corvette will be a lot faster, lighter, and better everything else. I believe there is no reason why we shouldn't have the EXACT engine. Ok, I'm done ranting - sorry.
Exactly even if the Camaro SS has the same engine it's not going to be quicker @3800lbs when the Corvette weighs like 500lbs less....
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643 lbs less to be exact.

Just read the "Corvette Shoot-Out" article in Car & Driver and I found it interesting that the base Corvette claims exactly 430 hp and 424 ft/lbs with standard exhaust....with chambered exhaust option hp goes up to 436.
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I don't know why you keep saying this.

I can't remember who said it, either Bob Lutz or Ed Peper. Basically they are quoted as saying they have no problems stepping on the corvette where the camaro is concerned.

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What are their positions in GM? Unless they're the freaking President and CEO, they really dont have a say. Of course they would love to beat a corvette when they are working on the Camaro. Anyone over their heads, however, would probably have a problem with this. It just makes sense from a business standpoint.
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I don't know why you keep saying this.

I can't remember who said it, either Bob Lutz or Ed Peper. Basically they are quoted as saying they have no problems stepping on the corvette where the camaro is concerned.

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I'm saying that it is impossible—not because the Corvette is on a pedestal—because they have the same engine but different intakes and exhausts, as well as a different tune. The physics of having the same engine with different components having the same horsepower—let's just say it is very unlikely.
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