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Old 11-13-2008, 11:39 PM   #1
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Question LS3 Camaro with Bolt Ons

Hello. I have a question for all the drag racers or armchair racers out there. I know that the ESX LS3 Corvette with a mild cam and bolt-ons was able to go 10.89. The 2010 Camaro however, is quite a bit heavier. How quick do you think we'll see the 2010 Camaro go with the same kind of mods? Also how quick without the cam and just bolt-ons?
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Old 11-14-2008, 06:32 AM   #2
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I am not the expert here by any stretch of the imagination, but I have heard that 100lbs = .1 of a second. So if you figured with the same mods and the arodynamics of the car and the added wieght I would guess, high 11s. Just a guestimate.
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Old 11-14-2008, 10:02 AM   #3
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I would say mid-high 11's at the very best, but we don't even know what it runs yet, stock, so there is no telling.
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Old 11-14-2008, 12:10 PM   #4
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11.7 exactly
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11.7 exactly
11.79345 to be very precise.
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Old 11-14-2008, 12:26 PM   #6
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11.6@117mph

With out cam 12@114mph
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Old 11-14-2008, 12:47 PM   #7
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What all was done to the vette? Any weight reduction?

I'd say maybe 11.7's to 11.8s just based on different weight and aerodynamics ..

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I am not the expert here by any stretch of the imagination, but I have heard that 100lbs = .1 of a second. So if you figured with the same mods and the arodynamics of the car and the added wieght I would guess, high 11s. Just a guestimate.
I thought the vette weighed like 3280 and the camaro is 3860 which is a difference of 580lbs. So that would mean 6 tenths off 10.9 basically which would be 11.5 no? I can deal with 11.5 of course 10.8 is sooooooo much nicer!!!
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Old 11-15-2008, 12:49 AM   #9
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Yeah I guesstimated mid 11's. That's around the Nissan GTR range, but on a car that is all motor and has 4 seats, not bad..
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Old 11-15-2008, 01:55 AM   #10
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yeah you guy's are close, but you have to factor in gearing too... the rear-end has a lot to do with it also... with out bolt-on's I still think it would be slower than 12 that seems like wishfull thinking honestly... I'd say 12.2-12.4, with the CAM maybe 11.8 or 11.9... The fellas that think it will be a 10sec car are nutzo!!! LOL HaHA.. Keep dreaming im sorry for you.... You better be think S/C when you mention bolt-ons LOL... no way is it getting in the 10's without a S/C and Cam and Bolt-ons... IMO...
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yeah you guy's are close, but you have to factor in gearing too... the rear-end has a lot to do with it also... with out bolt-on's I still think it would be slower than 12 that seems like wishfull thinking honestly... I'd say 12.2-12.4, with the CAM maybe 11.8 or 11.9... The fellas that think it will be a 10sec car are nutzo!!! LOL HaHA.. Keep dreaming im sorry for you.... You better be think S/C when you mention bolt-ons LOL... no way is it getting in the 10's without a S/C and Cam and Bolt-ons... IMO...
+1. I have a feeling a lot of the more optimistic numbers come from people without much drag racing experience.
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Old 11-15-2008, 02:16 PM   #12
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11.79345 to be very precise.
Be as precise as you want. Doesn't mean its going to be accurate.

I'm going to predict that it will be in the 11.00-12.5 range. Not precise, but it will be accurate
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Old 11-15-2008, 03:41 PM   #13
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^^ way to swing at the broad side of the barn! but i do agree - you're a lot more likely to be right!
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Old 11-16-2008, 09:06 PM   #14
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By the way the same ls3 vette that was going 10.89 is has now run a best of 10.66 with ported heads and the cam package on a drag radial.

10/3/08

ECS takes the C6 NA record with a 10.66 @ 131.68 MPH



Doug is down at a track rental in Maryland today testing Devil's car. The previous record was a 10.76@128. This is a stock bottom end LS3 with our cam only package but we just added a set of TEA prepped LS3 heads.

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http://www.eastcoastsupercharging.co...ars.html#c6dvl

Here is the recent dyno for the car...

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Old 11-17-2008, 08:48 AM   #15
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I think someone will get one into the 10's NA pretty quickly, but it is not going to be done w/ bolt ons alone. Heads and cam for most people should put it in the 11's I would think, but I've seen a lot of different cars w/ the same stuff done to them run very different times at the track. It's all about who is working on the car, who is driving, and if they know their stuff or not.
I'm not jacking around with it though, mine will be getting pistons (lower the compression), heads, cam and either a procharger or turbo. That, I think, will put it in the 10's
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Old 11-17-2008, 02:11 PM   #16
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Damn, I want my SS to sound like that vette. I hope 10's is possible on a NA H/C LS3 5th gen.
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Old 11-17-2008, 03:17 PM   #17
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I've seen it particularly difficult to get into the 10s with a stripped 4th. Gen, with a big stick, big stall, big gears, and good driver. A car that weighed some 3200-some-old-pounds with the driver barely scratching 10s leads me to think a stock LS3 car, will run bottome 13s on street tires and low 12s on DRs and a big stick. I'd love better numbers than that, but a 3450 lb. 4th. Gen. stock, ran a BEST of high 12s on street tires, an those cars were making 310+ horse to the tire. The math just doesn't seem to be there...

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Old 11-18-2008, 07:45 AM   #18
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I think someone will get one into the 10's NA pretty quickly, but it is not going to be done w/ bolt ons alone. Heads and cam for most people should put it in the 11's I would think, but I've seen a lot of different cars w/ the same stuff done to them run very different times at the track. It's all about who is working on the car, who is driving, and if they know their stuff or not.
I'm not jacking around with it though, mine will be getting pistons (lower the compression), heads, cam and either a procharger or turbo. That, I think, will put it in the 10's
With a full interior, possible on 20s if we can't find an 18" wheel to fit over the rear calipers? I think not. 10s NA with no power adders will be tough with the Camaro, just because it'll be weighing in at 3900 lbs race weight.

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Damn, I want my SS to sound like that vette. I hope 10's is possible on a NA H/C LS3 5th gen.
Okay, you can't compare a 3200 lb C6 to a 3900-4000 lb Camaro. It just doesn't work. If you want to compare it to anything, look at the whp numbers for <10.99 GTOs. Fully dressed they weighed much closer to the Camaro.
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When your comparing you also need to realize where and when those times were achieved...a car that ran in late november at ATCO wont run the same times in GA in August...DA is your friend.

I would agree with LSxJunkie the GTO is a nice comparision as it the G8...unfortunately the GTO doesn't have the advantage of the LS3 and the G8 actually weighs more and no M6. Your gonna have to make rough estimates.

One thing about comparing 4th gens to 5th gens...Sure the weight will be more...there will be a host of launching issues d/t a new platform (suspension, wheels, tires etc), but although 5th gens are handicapped with more weight, you also have an LS3 and not an LS1. 500 rwhp cam only on a M6 LS3 is possible...no so on a LS1 and you've got 100hp more stock (if the old 10rwhp = 0.1) then the LS3 more than offsets the weight disadvantage of the 5th gen...not saying it has the capability of being a faster NA stock short block ride, but something to think about.
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I was just reading up on the LS9. I didn't realize that GM started beefing up the LS3 in 2007 and even more in 2008, and ALL GM LS3 based engines have the heavier duty block that comes with the LS9 from now on. That's good to know it could handle the supercharger.

I also didn't know that for every pound of boost, that is a 7% increase in HP. The LS9 puts out 10.5 lbs of boost.....
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10.5? Seems high. I figured it would be around 9 or so, which is theoretically 716 hp off of an LS3. Density losses from heat and optimization for supercharging should bring that down 10%, back to ~638. Guess those losses are higher than I thought.
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10.5? Seems high. I figured it would be around 9 or so, which is theoretically 716 hp off of an LS3. Density losses from heat and optimization for supercharging should bring that down 10%, back to ~638. Guess those losses are higher than I thought.
here is where I was getting the 10.5 lbs of boost
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/hot...ls9/index.html

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I believe 'TWIN is right - 10.5 lbs. max' while the LSA is around 9 lbs. or thereabouts. I think they need that much pressure because of getting that intercooler to fit under the hood of the 'Vette too. It just seems the LS9's intake may be a little more difficult to push air through than the LSA; that's just my VHO though. I BET a crate LS9 is pretty underrated though; I'd like to see what a good exhaust system would do to power numbers. I'm not sure how restrictive the intake side is, but I bet it could be improved.
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I also think I remember reading that for every 10 degrees F cooler you get he air, it is 1% increase in power....that's why cold air induction is so important with or without a supercharger.

I think I got that info for BANKS
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