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Old 07-23-2010, 12:44 PM   #1
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Savini Wheels..... Warning..... Horrible wheel company.....

Well, in the end I was forced to the conclusion that Savini is just incapable of fixing these. Really am shocked that they are in business.

On top of the vibration issue the finish is coming off in sheets and they won't hold air. I've been told the chrome is flaking off so they can't get a bead to seal.


NEVER EVER buy Savnini wheels.

Talked to Blair at Pfadt and got some good advice as far as things to look at and I'm gonna make a checklist of tests and items to look at to eliminate one at a time.

Posting here will give me a chance to possibly find someone with a similar experience and maybe help me pinpoint a problem. Because there IS a problem.

My car is vibrating still. I have no choice but to assume it's not the wheels or tires. Savini has had them twice and gives them the green light. The wheel movement seen on my video is a normal movement and tribone put them on his car and didn't feel any shaking.

From 0-50 there is really no problem. Used to be a steering wheel vibration at these speeds but it's gone since they were back at Savini.

However, I get a very small vibration when accelerating hard from 0-50 mph. But when just cruising, or eccelerating softly, it's smooth with no noticeable vibration 0-50.

Once I go passed 50, the vibration gets strong when accelerating hard, and noticeable when just cruising.

From 70 to 90 mph, the vibration is easily at it's strongest when eccelerating hard and MUCH more pronounced. Also from 70 to 90 even just cruising the vibration is easily noticeable.

Vibration is NOT changed at all by braking.

So again, assuming they are not the wheels or tires, what could it be? This has been driving me crazy.

One more thing to consider. There was no vibration with my stock wheels, so I'm looking for a problem that could be not noticeable on my stock wheels that is exaserbated by my Savinis. And I have now driven a Camaro with 22 inch wheels OUTSIDE of my own. No such vibration. So it's NOT the lower profile tires I'm feeling as far as the road bumps and surface. This is a vibration that changes more the faster I go and harder I eccelerate. This is a vibration that can be felt from the passenger seat. Easily noticeable by the passenger, but the passenger may not even notice it if he or she wasn't told about it. No way could a driver not notice.

Any ideas???

Nevermind. It's the wheels.

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PQ, I hope you get it diagnosed! From reading other members similar stories, and from our conversation, my first instinct is to recommend something drivetrain related. Please let me know if there is anything else we can help with and keep us updated!
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Lots of ideas PQ.
1: Did you run over any thing in the road?
2: How many times did you mount and remove rims on your car?
3: What mod have you done to the car?
4: There is a lot of things in my GM manual to look at for round out, but that book is at home.
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PQ, I hope you get it diagnosed! From reading other members similar stories, and from our conversation, my first instinct is to recommend something drivetrain related. Please let me know if there is anything else we can help with and keep us updated!
No problem. And thanks for your time. I'll keep you updated. Of course, I'm gonna try and nail this thing down right here. There is a problem and if it turns out to be one of those weird things that can't be fixed then so be it. But I gotta know what is causing this vibration.

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Lots of ideas PQ.
1: Did you run over any thing in the road?
2: How many times did you mount and remove rims on your car?
3: What mod have you done to the car?
4: There is a lot of things in my GM manual to look at for round out, but that book is at home.
Never ran over anything.

Mounted and removed probably 10 to 15 times or so.

Pfadt Springs and sways.

I am gonna follow this thread very closely so ask away.
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To me it sounds like you may have a bad U joints/CV joint, I know that sounds weird on a one year old car, And we have a lot of them in this car.

The only way to find it is on the rack, Get it off the ground and remove the rims, have some one check for round out.
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I had the same problem with a set of wheels I put on my truck when it was purchased new. The dealer put the wheels on before I took delivery, but after the intial test drive.

After many visits back to the dealer they agreed to replace the rims and tires and it fixed the problem. So the solution was replacement but I found out a couple of things later.

1. the rear facing of the wheel was not flat so when it was mounted it didn't fit exactly flush against the lugs, and the increase in speed caused the problem to worsen.

2. because it took 6 months to figure out, the vibration had caused the front hubs to become out of round so to speak and the front hubs had to be replaced.

Hope this helps. John


I currently have 35 x 13.5 x 20 on my truck and I have exactly no vibration at all. Gear wheels and Nitto Terra Grapplers.
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I had the same type of vibration increasing with speed. Thought for sure it was my drag wheels and tires and turned out it was. A m&h drag radial was out of round and the tire shop showed me on the machine it was defective. Have you tried the tires on other wheels.
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To me it sounds like you may have a bad U joints/CV joint, I know that sounds weird on a one year old car, And we have a lot of them in this car.

The only way to find it is on the rack, Get it off the ground and remove the rims, have some one check for round out.
Added to the checklist. How long does this take approx. I want to schedule enough time to have ALL of it checked at one time if possible.

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I had the same problem with a set of wheels I put on my truck when it was purchased new. The dealer put the wheels on before I took delivery, but after the intial test drive.

After many visits back to the dealer they agreed to replace the rims and tires and it fixed the problem. So the solution was replacement but I found out a couple of things later.

1. the rear facing of the wheel was not flat so when it was mounted it didn't fit exactly flush against the lugs, and the increase in speed caused the problem to worsen.

2. because it took 6 months to figure out, the vibration had caused the front hubs to become out of round so to speak and the front hubs had to be replaced.

Hope this helps. John


I currently have 35 x 13.5 x 20 on my truck and I have exactly no vibration at all. Gear wheels and Nitto Terra Grapplers.
Did they ever check the wheels on a machine?

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I had the same type of vibration increasing with speed. Thought for sure it was my drag wheels and tires and turned out it was. A m&h drag radial was out of round and the tire shop showed me on the machine it was defective. Have you tried the tires on other wheels.
Tires on other wheels? no. I haven't. But we ran the wheels on GTAs car and they shook his car. Which is the anomily in this whole thing. I may be chasing a Leperechaun so to speak.
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Did they ever check the wheels on a machine?
They balanced them many times, even road forced balanced them. Had three different tire shops balance them and they had alot of weights but they would balance.

When you drove it vibration. They explained it to me this way. If you have a set of heads and do not have them decked when you rebuilt a motor then the heads will not sit flat on the block, thus causing poor combustion etc...
Basically the back of the wheels I had were not flat and caused the vibration.

I talked with a guy on the way home from work who owns a tire store and he said it could be three things, wheels out of round, tires or your front end could have something to do with it. He doesn't think it is the front end since it did not do it with factory wheels.
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Would it have something to do with this?
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56634

Maybe you haven't noticed till now?
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They balanced them many times, even road forced balanced them. Had three different tire shops balance them and they had alot of weights but they would balance.

When you drove it vibration. They explained it to me this way. If you have a set of heads and do not have them decked when you rebuilt a motor then the heads will not sit flat on the block, thus causing poor combustion etc...
Basically the back of the wheels I had were not flat and caused the vibration.

I talked with a guy on the way home from work who owns a tire store and he said it could be three things, wheels out of round, tires or your front end could have something to do with it. He doesn't think it is the front end since it did not do it with factory wheels.
Damn. I wonder how to check for this. The wheels were road force balanced a number of times. AND they have a flat out TON of weights on them.

But, tribone didn't notice a vibration when they put them on his car. So I gotta explore another possible option. If it's the wheels at this point, I'm screwed. I can't send them back again. They were tested on a car.
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Would it have something to do with this?
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56634

Maybe you haven't noticed till now?
I'm sure it's possible. But my stock wheels never vibrated.

Now, if it caused the hidden problem I'm looking for, I still have to find it.
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Damn. I wonder how to check for this. The wheels were road force balanced a number of times. AND they have a flat out TON of weights on them.

But, tribone didn't notice a vibration when they put them on his car. So I gotta explore another possible option. If it's the wheels at this point, I'm screwed. I can't send them back again. They were tested on a car.
From what I was told by my tire guy when you have to put alot of weight on a wheel to get it to balance then the wheel or tire is the problem. You are not screwed. They should replace the wheels because they are deffective.
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From what I was told by my tire guy when you have to put alot of weight on a wheel to get it to balance then the wheel or tire is the problem. You are not screwed. They should replace the wheels because they are deffective.
But if they weren't vibrating on the Camaro that they tested them on, it would put it back on my car, right?
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Did you check that all the Pfadt component bolts were tight? I had a similar issue and found many of the bolts - sways & endlinks - came loose. After tightening everything up, the vibration was gone.

NOW, I had the Pfadt Front Trailing Arm bushings installed and the vibration is back :( I'm going back in next week to have them put her on the lift and recheck everything. Just when it felt good again too ;(
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Not neccessarily, each car is a little different. If it were me and since you have a good realtionship with them I would have them send another set. From the Ricky the Reneck mecahincs I have talked with each one said the same thing that it is the wheels or tires. If it was the car then the factory wheels would vibrate.

Check all your suspension parts and if they are correct they by process of elimination then it has to be the rims and tires.
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But, tribone didn't notice a vibration when they put them on his car. So I gotta explore another possible option. If it's the wheels at this point, I'm screwed. I can't send them back again. They were tested on a car.[/QUOTE]

So you put your Savani's on another camaro and they were fine...strange ndeed.

You mentioned that this did not happen when you had the stock wheels, have you put the stock wheels on since this starting happening to narrow it down to the Savani's on your car? Maybe be the Savani's are behaving differently on his car than yours...if thats possible.

I'm sure you have already thought about this but I had this vibration issue twice after I got aftermarket wheels due to getting water behind the center portion of the 2 piece rims. Once it happened while driving during heavy rain and once after I was finished washing the car and took it for a spin right after.

But these issue with the water always went away after the water had all gotten out of the wheel.

Do you have this vibration everytime you drive the car at the speeds you mentioned or does it come and go? I'm sure you will figure it out.
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Did you check that all the Pfadt component bolts were tight? I had a similar issue and found many of the bolts - sways & endlinks - came loose. After tightening everything up, the vibration was gone.

NOW, I had the Pfadt Front Trailing Arm bushings installed and the vibration is back :( I'm going back in next week to have them put her on the lift and recheck everything. Just when it felt good again too ;(
All my Pfadt stuff is tight and right.

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Not neccessarily, each car is a little different. If it were me and since you have a good realtionship with them I would have them send another set. From the Ricky the Reneck mecahincs I have talked with each one said the same thing that it is the wheels or tires. If it was the car then the factory wheels would vibrate.

Check all your suspension parts and if they are correct they by process of elimination then it has to be the rims and tires.
I'll work my way.

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So you put your Savani's on another camaro and they were fine...strange ndeed.

You mentioned that this did not happen when you had the stock wheels, have you put the stock wheels on since this starting happening to narrow it down to the Savani's on your car? Maybe be the Savani's are behaving differently on his car than yours...if thats possible.

I'm sure you have already thought about this but I had this vibration issue twice after I got aftermarket wheels due to getting water behind the center portion of the 2 piece rims. Once it happened while driving during heavy rain and once after I was finished washing the car and took it for a spin right after.

But these issue with the water always went away after the water had all gotten out of the wheel.

Do you have this vibration everytime you drive the car at the speeds you mentioned or does it come and go? I'm sure you will figure it out.
Yup. Any time I put other wheels on my car the vibration stopped. And that's absolutely what I want to find out here. Can it be possible that my car is just somehow sensitive to these wheels. And if so, I can change out whatever part is sensitive to the wheels. I'm gonna also have some 22 inch cheapos put on my car as a test. Rent and Roll is doing it.

They vibrate at all times.
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Do the 22's weigh significantly more than the stock 20's? If so, is the additional weight amplifying a drivetrain issue? I'm no expert...just thinking out loud.
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I know this is basic, but I read through the thread and did not see that you had the wheels and tires checked with a road force balance. A qualified tech with a good machine can diagnose bad rims and bad tires. Have you had your problematic wheels and tires road force balanced?
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Having a awesome Hunter 9700 road force balancing machine,balancing to a tight spec is everything. You should make sure your road force balance is under 15lbs. Many shops will set the warning to 25 to 30lbs. This is fine for truck tires, but not for passenger performance tires. I believe Porsche uses the 15lb max spec

Note there is also a difference of road forcing depending on the mounting adapter. The best style is one that indicates off the lug holes and not the center . I beleive the adapater to make it off the lug holes is around $500 to $600 so not everyone gets it.

Also, to do the absolute best road force balance, your Camaro should be driven 15 miles of freeway first, then immediately road force them. I believe this is the new recommended process by GM

Do your wheels require hub centrics?

Another thing you can do is to put your 22s on a different Camaro and see if the other Camaro does the same thing. If it does not, then you will know for sure it is related to your Camaro, but influenced by the extra weight and mass of the 22s.

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Having a vibration can be nerve racking. Here is the process for road force balancing tires and a work sheet on vibration analysis from GM. I was a little off on the memory for the lbs and the mile driven. But pretty close:
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Do the 22's weigh significantly more than the stock 20's? If so, is the additional weight amplifying a drivetrain issue? I'm no expert...just thinking out loud.
Not significantly, but undrstandably.

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I know this is basic, but I read through the thread and did not see that you had the wheels and tires checked with a road force balance. A qualified tech with a good machine can diagnose bad rims and bad tires. Have you had your problematic wheels and tires road force balanced?
Yes. A road force balance machine was used.

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es the 15lb max spec

Note there is also a difference of road forcing depending on the mounting adapter. The best style is one that indicates off the lug holes and not the center . I beleive the adapater to make it off the lug holes is around $500 to $600 so not everyone gets it. Mine was done using the center. But the wheel movement was seen on both my car, and on the machine. My car using the lug holes of course, and the machine, using the center bore. Seen moving with the eyeball of course. Which I understand to be normal now.

Also, to do the absolute best road force balance, your Camaro should be driven 15 miles of freeway first, then immediately road force them. I believe this is the new recommended process by GM This wan't done on mine.

Do your wheels require hub centrics? I don't know.

Another thing you can do is to put your 22s on a different Camaro and see if the other Camaro does the same thing. If it does not, then you will know for sure it is related to your Camaro, but influenced by the extra weight and mass of the 22s. They did vibrate on GTAHVITs Camaro. His wheels rode smothly on mine.

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tribone put the wheels on his car after Savini fixed them. He didn't feel any vibration. So they shipped them back to me. The car is still vibrating. Better in a way, but still vibrating. So I'm trying to find out why. I need to get it to a shop. I'd love to get it to a shop who can do all of these diagnosees, but I want to know what to do first.
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What did exactly did do to the wheels when they Savini fixed them?
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