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Old 07-27-2010, 12:41 PM   #126
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That left front wheel doesn't look good. The rear one seems about normal from what I've witnessed. Not sure how Savini could have missed that front one being off that much...twice.
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That left front wheel doesn't look good. The rear one seems about normal from what I've witnessed. Not sure how Savini could have missed that front one being off that much...twice.
The rear one he said was VERY marginal. In his opinion he'd have them replace it. But the left front he said is gonna start to mess up my suspension and needs to be replaced period.
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The rear one he said was VERY marginal. In his opinion he'd have them replace it. But the left front he said is gonna start to mess up my suspension and needs to be replaced period.
Has Savani contacted you yet?

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Has Savani contacted you yet?

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Nope. Nick let me know he'd check on the TPMS sensors that got switched. But that's all.

From all indications, they are not real happy with me. I've sent them back twice. The first time paid for by me. NOT cheap. This last time it was gonna be to have the left front wheel fixed but I wanted them ALL looked at so they took them all back and I guess never looked at it. Or overlooked it somehow. OR it is good enough for Savini standards.

All I want is wheels that work. And considering how much I paid for these, I'm a little shocked that they have spent all of this money taking them back and having them looked at, mounted and balanced and shipped back to me and still overlooked this.

MY CAR VIBRATES AND IT'S THE WHEELS............. Every, and I mean EVERY shop I've been to here, and that includes 4 shops, have told me it's the wheels. And this morning they PROVED it to me.
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I guess the redneck shops in ALABAMA actually do know a little bit. I am so sorry for you, maybe Savini can and will fix this problem for you Randy. But like others have said scratch them from the list. The BS you have had to go through with these wheels is absolutely horrible.

One thing is for sure alot of people are looking at this thread to see what the vendor and the person who sold you these wagon wheels is going to do.
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I guess the redneck shops in ALABAMA actually do know a little bit. I am so sorry for you, maybe Savini can and will fix this problem for you Randy. But like others have said scratch them from the list. The BS you have had to go through with these wheels is absolutely horrible.

One thing is for sure alot of people are looking at this thread to see what the vendor and the person who sold you these wagon wheels is going to do.
I have never judged a shop by their location, and size. I can tell you in the Pedders organization, there are some very SERIOUSLY talented shops in the middle of no where, that have off the charts knowledge, ability, and experience. the old saying never judge a book by its cover?

This has been a great thread for a lot of reasons. It has documented pretty darn good, the processes of determining and identifying a vibration concern. This may help others down the road. Fortunately, I do not think there are Camaro vibrations concerns as other platforms out there have. Thats a good thing.

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Do you know what barrels the out side are, I think there using 5054 not 6061
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I have never judged a shop by their location, and size. I can tell you in the Pedders organization, there are some very SERIOUSLY talented shops in the middle of no where, that have off the charts knowledge, ability, and experience. the old saying never judge a book by its cover?

This has been a great thread for a lot of reasons. It has documented pretty darn good, the processes of determining and identifying a vibration concern. This may help others down the road. Fortunately, I do not think there are Camaro vibrations concerns as other platforms out there have. Thats a good thing.

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The forum must agree with you. The thread got moved to wheels and tires now!

PQ, you have shown very serious patience thru all of this. My hat is off to you sir.

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The forum must agree with you. The thread got moved to wheels and tires now!

PQ, you have shown very serious patience thru all of this. My hat is off to you sir.

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I'm just totaly confused. All the money they spent shipping them back and forth and testing and mounting and balancing they could have replaced them by now. I've never asked for replacements and I've tried to accept them with tolerance. Even convinced my own self that part of the problem was fixed this time. Knowing inside that it wasn't due to the shaking. Was even willing to have the rest of the car looked at trusting that they had fixed them.

One part that really irks the hell out of me is they seem to be pissed at me. Like I'm a big pain in the ass. I didn't ask for this. I just want wheels that are round.
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J/K. That sucks bad. Such good looking wheels. It's a damn shame.
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"Good Tire Shop" and Alabama can't seem to be used in the same sentence. Randy has had a tough time finding any place worth a damn in his area.
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Mike,

I was not referring to you when I said that rather that Nine Ball, Tony.

What really really REALLY irks me is this. People from around the world look at people from Alabama in a different light and by Tony's statement he must believe it.

They ( Tony and Savini) have done nothing but put the blame on others in this whole process, True they did try to FIX the wheels. You have got to be kidding me, FIX the wheels. The first time they got the wheels back and saw that there was a problem they SHOULD have REPLACED them at no expense to Randy.

I don't know what he paid for them and really it doesn't matter if they were 20.00 they should have been right.

IF Tony sold them then he should have taken care of the problem, he is kinda like the "Dealership" we often hear so much about. IF Savini was worth their salt they would have fixed this from the beginning.

I can promise you this, as many people who are on this forum, who like Randy and Bonnie, and read these threads, I think Savini and Nine Balls days of rim selling is short lived.

Would you give them the money for some rims after this? I think not, especially after the way that this has been handle.

If I had a set of rime I would drive them to Mobile and Give them to Randy just so that he could have his car the rest of the summer and it not sit on jack stands or have a vibrating car.

Savaini should get another set of rims and tires with TPMS and send them to Randy as fast as they could make them and ship themat no cost to Randy. This man has had the patience of Job. He has not blasted anyome just looking for answers, he even let his car sit for a while maybe thinking it was his car. To say that I am upset is an understatement, but I am upset for Randy.

This is why we by these cars, to mod them and enjoy them and you can not do that with the car vibrating or sitting on jack stands.

I know people have tried to help, me included. I went to every tire store around here and asked about what the problem could be, and it was the same thing that he found out today.

Savini, Nine Ball. Get this man some wheels.

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I was not referring to you when I said that rather that Nine Ball, Tony.

What really really REALLY irks me is this. People from around the world look at people from Alabama in a different light and by Tony's statement he must believe it.

They ( Tony and Savini) have done nothing but put the blame on others in this whole process, True they did try to FIX the wheels. You have got to be kidding me, FIX the wheels. The first time they got the wheels back and saw that there was a problem they SHOULD have REPLACED them at no expense to Randy.

I don't know what he paid for them and really it doesn't matter if they were 20.00 they should have been right.

IF Tony sold them then he should have taken care of the problem, he is kinda like the "Dealership" we often hear so much about. IF Savini was worth their salt they would have fixed this from the beginning.

I can promise you this, as many people who are on this forum, who like Randy and Bonnie, and read these threads, I think Savini and Nine Balls days of rim selling is short lived.

Would you give them the money for some rims after this? I think not, especially after the way that this has been handle.

If I had a set of rime I would drive them to Mobile and Give them to Randy just so that he could have his car the rest of the summer and it not sit on jack stands or have a vibrating car.

Savaini should get another set of rims and tires with TPMS and send them to Randy as fast as they could make them and ship themat no cost to Randy. This man has had the patience of Job. He has not blasted anyome just looking for answers, he even let his car sit for a while maybe thinking it was his car. To say that I am upset is an understatement, but I am upset for Randy.

This is why we by these cars, to mod them and enjoy them and you can not do that with the car vibrating or sitting on jack stands.

I know people have tried to help, me included. I went to every tire store around here and asked about what the problem could be, and it was the same thing that he found out today.

Savini, Nine Ball. Get this man some wheels.

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J/K. That sucks bad. Such good looking wheels. It's a damn shame.
I shoulda listened. No doubt. :(

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Mike,

I was not referring to you when I said that rather that Nine Ball, Tony.

What really really REALLY irks me is this. People from around the world look at people from Alabama in a different light and by Tony's statement he must believe it.

They ( Tony and Savini) have done nothing but put the blame on others in this whole process, True they did try to FIX the wheels. You have got to be kidding me, FIX the wheels. The first time they got the wheels back and saw that there was a problem they SHOULD have REPLACED them at no expense to Randy.

I don't know what he paid for them and really it doesn't matter if they were 20.00 they should have been right.

IF Tony sold them then he should have taken care of the problem, he is kinda like the "Dealership" we often hear so much about. IF Savini was worth their salt they would have fixed this from the beginning.

I can promise you this, as many people who are on this forum, who like Randy and Bonnie, and read these threads, I think Savini and Nine Balls days of rim selling is short lived.

Would you give them the money for some rims after this? I think not, especially after the way that this has been handle.

If I had a set of rime I would drive them to Mobile and Give them to Randy just so that he could have his car the rest of the summer and it not sit on jack stands or have a vibrating car.

Savaini should get another set of rims and tires with TPMS and send them to Randy as fast as they could make them and ship themat no cost to Randy. This man has had the patience of Job. He has not blasted anyome just looking for answers, he even let his car sit for a while maybe thinking it was his car. To say that I am upset is an understatement, but I am upset for Randy.

This is why we by these cars, to mod them and enjoy them and you can not do that with the car vibrating or sitting on jack stands.

I know people have tried to help, me included. I went to every tire store around here and asked about what the problem could be, and it was the same thing that he found out today.

Savini, Nine Ball. Get this man some wheels.

ok enough rant
Thank you for having my back man. It does suck.

Tony has been shut out by Savini in this process too. He has gone to bat for me pretty hard lately. They are basically stonewalling him as well. They basically say they were fine when they had them Total joke. The left front is the one that was in question the most. If you go back to my wheel thread you'll see that the vids still match up pretty good. Same problem. Same wheels.

On the Alabama quote that Tony made, it was an inside joke that goes back to the beggining with Big Ten Tires scratching my wheels and me running around mobile to every tire shop and parts store not having the lugs. And me not being able to get any good info here localy. I made a joke to him about it and he just followed. Just wanted to clear that up. Tony didn't mean anything crappy by it. Sorry for the confusion there.
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Dr Jekel, I'm sure Randy appreciates your interest here. I am just as frustrated as you are, and I also feel sort of helpless here. I've been in contact with Savini during this entire ordeal, and have suggested they just refund Randy numerous times. They will not. If Savini was my own personal company, I'd gladly take my flawed products back and make the customer happy. I'm just the middle man here. Randy picked the brand, style, finish of these wheels. I helped him pick the sizing and offsets, and used my LLC Tax ID to facilitate the purchase. This issue is 100% a manufacturing issue, what can I do about this? Please don't place the blame on me, I've been trying to do what I can here.

I've never experienced wheel issues like this in my life. Savini claims to have never experienced them like this before either. It doesn't take a business marketing genius to tell us that a simple refund from Savini would end these issues immediately. For some reason, they wish to prolong this ordeal and keep the problem going.

Also, it is important to note that this started out as a promotional/marketing deal. Every cent that Randy sent to pay for those wheels went to Savini. It was not a typical retail sale through me. I've gained nothing here, and Randy has only gained a set of wheels that are a pain in the ass. Savini has the ball in their court here.

Your suggestions of "get this man some wheels" aren't that easy. Like I stated previously, these were custom built for his car. The waiting time for a set like this is nearly 2 months. They are not off-the-shelf. Personally, I'd rather get Randy a refund and move on. Hell, it might even make these threads get deleted.
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Dr Jekel, I'm sure Randy appreciates your interest here. I am just as frustrated as you are, and I also feel sort of helpless here. I've been in contact with Savini during this entire ordeal, and have suggested they just refund Randy numerous times. They will not. If Savini was my own personal company, I'd gladly take my flawed products back and make the customer happy. I'm just the middle man here. Randy picked the brand, style, finish of these wheels. I helped him pick the sizing and offsets, and used my LLC Tax ID to facilitate the purchase. This issue is 100% a manufacturing issue, what can I do about this? Please don't place the blame on me, I've been trying to do what I can here.

I've never experienced wheel issues like this in my life. Savini claims to have never experienced them like this before either. It doesn't take a business marketing genius to tell us that a simple refund from Savini would end these issues immediately. For some reason, they wish to prolong this ordeal and keep the problem going.

Also, it is important to note that this started out as a promotional/marketing deal. Every cent that Randy sent to pay for those wheels went to Savini. It was not a typical retail sale through me. I've gained nothing here, and Randy has only gained a set of wheels that are a pain in the ass. Savini has the ball in their court here.

Your suggestions of "get this man some wheels" aren't that easy. Like I stated previously, these were custom built for his car. The waiting time for a set like this is nearly 2 months. They are not off-the-shelf. Personally, I'd rather get Randy a refund and move on. Hell, it might even make these threads get deleted.
For your sake, I might could handle that. I appreciate the attention on this.

But if it's a refund, instead of a good set of wheels at this point, I'd raise hell to delete this. No was Savini gets this swept under the rug. They have basically said if you buy wheels from us and we mess them up, your screwed. Sure, with the help of Nick, they brought them back, but they basically told Nick to piss off as well. Because it was a show. NOT a genuine effort to fix them. These guys here in Alabama are laghing their ass off at these high priced wheels.
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We have taken every measure in our ability to make these wheels right. We got the wheels back, tested them, replaced parts that were marginal (free). Got them back again w/tires, there was physical damage on two hoops, we replaced them (free), road force balanced the wheels and tires, tested it on another Camaro (all free), and there was no vibration.

I am not trying to point fingers... Im just trying to find an answer. We have basically build new wheels with all the new parts that have been replaced... not because they were bad, but because they werent perfect. And assuming we built new wheels, who is to say they wouldnt vibrate?

I would say, that we easily have 200 sets of wheels on Camaros and have never had an issue that we couldnt fix.... nothing even close to this extent. We have spent a ton of money and time trying to make these right... why would we do all that and send a product out that was still going to vibrate?

Randy and I have spoken numerous times as well as other moderators on the board. I only have suggestions to offer at this point.
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PQ, did you miss the box that said " straight wheels" when you ordered.

Sorry this really does suck. It's a shame that you spend that kind of money for a high end product and this is how you get treated. If you would of bought walmart spinners instead they would have made it right.
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I have been on the other side of this as a manufacturer. Our goal is to make the customer happy and not refund the money because when we refund money we have truly failed. Every manufacturing company is going to have issues with product. Anyone that says they have not or will not is kidding themselves. It happens and as a manufacturer we should fix it.

Every manufacturer also has unreasonable customers. Anyone that says they have not or will not is kidding themselves. When this happens we do everything we think we should do and then try again. Sometimes you cannot win.

I see nothing unreasonable in the thread. Then again it is not my product or company so what right do I have to an opinion. I am guessing that Savini will step up and handle this.
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I already stated several times that I'd refund Randy his $4000 out of my own pocket. So, your stern lectures aren't required here. If I have to eat $4,000 you can bet it will cost Savini far more in the long-run. I have deep connections in the aftermarket automotive world and automotive media. My customers are always taken care of, I've been doing this for a long time.
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I already stated several times that I'd refund Randy his $4000 out of my own pocket. So, your stern lectures aren't required here. If I have to eat $4,000 you can bet it will cost Savini far more in the long-run. I have deep connections in the aftermarket automotive world and automotive media. My customers are always taken care of, I've been doing this for a long time.
I am sorry that my post was less than clear. I was in no way questioning you or your actions. In fact I feel for you being in the middle. I was stating what I thought to be the obvious. If you are in manufacturing you are going to have manufacturing issues and for the most part most manufactures step up and do the right thing.

All my posts in the thread have been directed at finding the problem in a cost effective way. It was never my intention to point a finger at anyone. Sorry.
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