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Old 07-24-2010, 12:47 AM   #1
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BMR vs Eibach sways

Ok... so I've already lowered my car, and now I want to further improve the handling so I'm going to buy some sways. I've been looking at BMR, and they offer hollow tube sways, and for around the same price Eibach has solid sways.

What do you guys think? I know BMR makes good stuff, but a solid bar seems like it would be better in the long run.
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Old 07-25-2010, 12:18 PM   #2
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There is also Pedders and Pfadt sway bars. I am going with Pedders sway bars, since I am also getting the Pedders Street XA System.

I do not know anything about the BMR or Eibach. Good luck.
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Old 07-25-2010, 01:54 PM   #4
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Eibach adj. swaybars are manufactured incorrectly, and are ineffective on this car. Until they change the nature of the adjustment mechanism to make it usable, I wouldn't put them on my car
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Old 07-26-2010, 11:45 AM   #5
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We appreciate you considering our swaybars for your Fifth Gen. There is a huge debate over solid vs. hollow. Arguments can be made in each direction but consider that Detroit, Europe and Japan all run hollow swaybars on every performance car they manufacture. It's not cheaper or easier to build them with tubing (in fact it's more expensive and complicated) so why do they do it? I don't want this to turn into another solid vs. hollow battle so I will just leave it at that. They do it for multiple reasons, the same reasons we do.

We have been manufacturing F-body suspension for over 12 years now and our expertise has transferred from one generation to the next. The Camaro gets better with each generation making our job more difficult. We could have easily made our swaybars solid but we specifically chose to make them hollow, a much more difficult process. We could have also chose to make them non-adjustable to keep costs down but we didn't. Multiple tests and hours of research went into our swaybars to make a product worthy of this platform. In the end you get a completely adjustable bar that can adapt to your level of driving expertise, a bar manufactured with the most current technology, AND one that does both of these things while being less expensive than most other options on the market. I may be a little bias but why would you consider another set of swaybars?
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Old 07-26-2010, 12:47 PM   #6
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Eibach adj. swaybars are manufactured incorrectly, and are ineffective on this car.
I have the Eibach sways and they are definitely effective. Where did you get this information?
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Old 07-26-2010, 12:59 PM   #7
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I have the Eibach sways and they are definitely effective. Where did you get this information?
they position their front sway bar adjustable mounts vertical which is essentially ineffective.

they need to turn the adjustment holes horizontal/parallel to the ground to be able to adjust the stiffness of the sway bar.
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they position their front sway bar adjustable mounts vertical which is essentially ineffective.

they need to turn the adjustment holes horizontal/parallel to the ground to be able to adjust the stiffness of the sway bar.
The adjust-ability may be ineffective but using the top hole is which is the recommended setting for most drivers anyways is effective and definitely more effective than stock.
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Old 07-26-2010, 01:12 PM   #9
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well, they claim it is adjustable which in reality those three holes do not adjust anything. an adjustable sway bar adjusts stiffness, so Eibach is falsely advertising their bar as adjustable when each hole does not adjust anything.
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Old 07-26-2010, 01:17 PM   #10
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well, they claim it is adjustable which in reality those three holes do not adjust anything. an adjustable sway bar adjusts stiffness, so Eibach is falsely advertising their bar as adjustable when each hole does not adjust anything.
Definitely cannot disagree with that.
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Old 07-26-2010, 02:07 PM   #11
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The debate on hollow versus solid is a great one. Solids weigh more but are stronger per mm. Think about where the weight is and just exactly how the weight is it affecting the handling of your Camaro. Hollow bars have a tendency to shrink at the bends. So a 30mm hollow bar, may actually only be an effective 26-27mm bar due to the change.

How to calculate bar strength is posted on this forum. Get the data, and do the math for yourself. Also make the comparison between the front and rears. This actually is an important ratio for sure!

Looked at a Camaro the other day. Had our parts on it but went with a hollow set of bars. When asked why, he wanted the reduced weight. Then I looked at the wheels and tires he put on, that weighed nearly 15-20lbs more than the OE. So when you consider the effects of sprung versus unsprung weight, where unsprung is nearly 10 times more influential than sprung weight, he lost the weight battle big time. So unless you are
building a seriously aggressive race car, 100lbs of sprung rate will see no difference as long as it is not all on one axle.

best of luck on your decision.

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Old 07-26-2010, 06:13 PM   #12
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I have a set of Eibach drop springs on an old Chevy pickup. The truck looks better handles somewhat better. When I bought the springs I did not have much selection. You get what you pay for.
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Old 07-27-2010, 02:56 PM   #13
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So did you make your decision?

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Old 07-27-2010, 05:42 PM   #14
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So did you make your decision?

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I'm leaning towards going solid, but I have used hollow in the past. I don't mind a little extra weight as long is it's not rotating mass, and you don't get much lower on the car than the sways. Removing the mufflers, etc. more than makes up for what little it adds. I'm also in the process of beefing up my brakes (slotted/cross drilled), and getting LT's. Should make for a fun summer!
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Old 07-27-2010, 06:11 PM   #15
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I'm leaning towards going solid, but I have used hollow in the past. I don't mind a little extra weight as long is it's not rotating mass, and you don't get much lower on the car than the sways. Removing the mufflers, etc. more than makes up for what little it adds. I'm also in the process of beefing up my brakes (slotted/cross drilled), and getting LT's. Should make for a fun summer!
Whether a sway bar is hollow or solid should never be a primary concern. No one ever has problems with either design. The point of sway bar upgrades is to increase front and rear roll stiffnesses effectively to produce a car that the driver is comfortable with for performance handling, has better response and transient handling characteristics, and has a "balanced" feel. Hollow or solid has nothing to do with this, you can achieve any realistic rate you want with either style.

You need to look at the effective roll stiffness coupling of the front and rear, to determine if they are bars that will suit your driving style and performance goals. The fact that the highest performing sway bars are hollow is merely a byproduct of proper engineering. You can achieve identical rates you want with either design, one will just be lighter than the other, they will both be equally strong.

We do not put down anyones bars for any reason. We use both designs throughout our entire catalogue of Camaro Sway Bar offerings. I have included a chart of all of our sway bars relative roll stiffness values to compare to OEM. You can easily see the balance trends we like to target when engineering a set of proper sway bars. Not to mention, if weight is a factor, then you can see what our solutions have to offer in that respect as well.






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Front ARB:

OE FE3 Weight - 7.5 lb
Pfadt Sport ARB - 10.6 lb
Pfadt Race ARB - 8.25 lb

Rear ARB

OE FE3 Weight - 5 lb
Pfadt Balance Bar - 16.5 lb
Pfadt Sport ARB - 12.25 lb
Pfadt Race Bar - 10.1 lb

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Check out LSR Performance sway bars: www.lsrperformance.com

LSR Performance’s new adjustable swaybars for the 2010 Camaro SS!! The only kit on the market designed and manufactured out of 4130 high strength chrome moly tubing and tig welded for maximum strength! Both front and rear bars are 3 position adjustable for ultra fine tuning of the suspension.
The front bar is adjustable from 159%, 212% and 285% stiffer then stock. While the rear bar is adjustable from 204%, 364% and 495% stiffer then stock. All this adds up to a kit that has been tested and designed to offer decreased body roll and much better handling on the 2010 Camaro. The bars feature billet and stamped ends that are welded on and not coined, which prevents unnecessary stress. High quality Energy suspension urethane bushings and brackets are included as well.
They are also powdercoated silver metal flake for a durable and long lasting finish. Speaking of long lasting, the LSR Performance bars feature a LIFE TIME WARRANTEE! So these will be the last set of swaybars you will ever have to purchase.
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Does anyone have any information or opinion of these BMR sways and lowering springs? Anyone out there have any of these BMR products on there 5th gens yet?
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I have got a ton of BMR stuff, not yet all installed though. Sub frames, tunnel brace, drivshaft loop,trailing arms and toe links with Nitto's 12.35 @ 113. Spring, sways and assorted bushing left to go on yet.
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Does anyone have any information or opinion of these BMR sways and lowering springs? Anyone out there have any of these BMR products on there 5th gens yet?
Our first ever BMR order will be shipping out to a Camaro5 member in Louisiana tomorrow; lowering springs, sway bars, and sub frame connectors. BMR has been around for years, they are not a Johnny come lately manufacturer to the suspension world.
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Our first ever BMR order will be shipping out to a Camaro5 member in Louisiana tomorrow; lowering springs, sway bars, and sub frame connectors. BMR has been around for years, they are not a Johnny come lately manufacturer to the suspension world.
Between the Nitto's NT05's and the BMR stuff Pumpkin went almost 5 tenth's faster instantly.Add the ARH system for another 3 tenths for 12.35 @ 113 mph (no tune). THX to Joe and crew.
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[/QUOTE]JProberts;2167825]Does anyone have any information or opinion of these BMR sways and lowering springs? Anyone out there have any of these BMR products on there 5th gens yet? [/QUOTE]

[WE_Coyote;2124520]I just installed the rear BMR sway bar. I was not expecting a lot of improvement over the factory bar but was pleasantly surprised! I'm constantly reminded of the improvement every time I take a corner. I got the black hammertone finish and was very impressed with the quality of the piece. It was also easy to install, I just removed one wheel and sild the factory bar out sideways and slid the BMR bar in the same way. No need to drop the exhaust.

Saving my pennies to get the front bar...


Nice job BMR!!


[jrhaus76;2125015]I had the rear bar installed for about 2 weeks prior to the front... got the rear before the fronts were fabricated and counldn't wait to install it! Adding the front is AWESOME! I have been running both for about 2 months now... WOW! Brett is right, its nice to be able to go to the middle holes! I have not had the guts to try the stiff holes! It is like its on rails as it is. I suggest springs too!

[Drew10;1940277]I just installed BMR sways on my car and they are worth well more than what they are selling for. Along with the lowering springs they have made an very noticable difference in the handling of my car. I also like how both the front and the back are 3 way adjustable depending on how you plan to drive your car. You nailed it BMR!

[mlee;2111855]I have the front and rear sway bars on now... They are awesome...
Next is trailing arms, strut tower brace and probably tie rod ends.

We have sold over 100 sets already, all with very positive feedback. This is the Fifth generation of this platform that we manufacture swaybars for and was by far the most challenging bars yet. A lot of effort went into the design and the result is a swaybar that will wake up your Fifth gen and make it "feel" like it is 1000 lbs. lighter in the corners!
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BMR Guy - are those 1" lowering springs ready yet?
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We are pushing our spring manufacturer to get them done for us so I hope to have them in the next couple weeks.
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Between the Nitto's NT05's and the BMR stuff Pumpkin went almost 5 tenth's faster instantly.Add the ARH system for another 3 tenths for 12.35 @ 113 mph (no tune). THX to Joe and crew.
Thats a hell of a differance!!
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