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Old 08-21-2010, 10:39 AM   #18
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Jim:
Great post. It was very helpful to me. Nice that you took the time to explain the differences for those of us (me) that don't know that much about our cars (still learning something new everyday). I appreciate the "layman's" terms on your thread. Lori
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Old 08-21-2010, 10:47 AM   #19
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..When you install the Axleback it leaves in place the OEM Pre Muffler that is up towards the middle of the car. Not a big deal, but it DOES change the exhaust note slightly as compared to the Catback systems and does not make the system a true dual exhaust as the Catback does.
Are you saying the stock system is not a true dual exhaust? I don't believe this is an accurate statement.
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Old 08-21-2010, 05:31 PM   #20
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Are you saying the stock system is not a true dual exhaust? I don't believe this is an accurate statement.
Well, I guess it depends on what you call a "Dual Exhaust"...The OEM system drops down from the exhaust manifolds and then comes together into a common premuffler chamber (dual pipe in this muffler are no longer existent). The out the back of the pre muffler it goes back into a dual exhaust and out the rear.

The Borla system removes the pre muffler completely and stays as two separate pipes all the way back to the mufflers. So it is truly dual exhaust all the way from front to rear.

Sure you can call the OEM System "dual exhaust" but it is Not a true dual exhaust for the entire length of the system. It is dual, then into a large common muffler (no longer dual at this point), the dual again out of the muffler into a dual configuration again.


So accurate or inaccurate, just calling it as I see it and my understanding of a true dual exhaust (not saying I am the expert by any means )

Let me know why you think I am incorrect? I am certainly open to understanding better what dual exhaust means or does not mean..

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Old 08-21-2010, 05:47 PM   #21
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Well, I guess it depends on what you call a "Dual Exhaust"...The OEM system drops down from the exhaust manifolds and then comes together into a common premuffler chamber (dual pipe in this muffler are no longer existent). The out the back of the pre muffler it goes back into a dual exhaust and out the rear.

The Borla system removes the pre muffler completely and stays as two separate pipes all the way back to the mufflers. So it is truly dual exhaust all the way from front to rear.

Sure you can call the OEM System "dual exhaust" but it is Not a true dual exhaust for the entire length of the system. It is dual, then into a large common muffler (no longer dual at this point), the dual again out of the muffler into a dual configuration again.


So accurate or inaccurate, just calling it as I see it and my understanding of a true dual exhaust (not saying I am the expert by any means )

Let me know why you think I am incorrect? I am certainly open to understanding better what dual exhaust means or does not mean..

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Okay, I see where you are coming from now. I guess I just don't see the pre muffler as something that would cause it not to be a dual exhaust, but the more I think about it calling it a TRUE dual exhaust is probably wrong. Thanks for enlightening me.
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Old 08-21-2010, 05:52 PM   #22
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Do you have a pic of this pre muffler. My LS3 does not have any pre muffler. It is true dual all the way back. Now it has some resonators, but no premuffler.
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Old 08-21-2010, 06:27 PM   #23
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I just wanted to add my experience with my Borla Touring catback exhaust. I put it on with Kooks LT 1 7/8" headers with high flow cats. This combination is considerably louder than stock, but not outrageously loud. When I start the car, I do get a lot of oooohs and ahhhhhs. I also do not get that nasty popping that some exhausts give.

What I wanted from this combination was some growl on start up and under throttle. Yet, I also wanted the cabin to be fairly quiet when cruising so I can hear my music and carry on a conversation. I didn't want the car to be annoying to cruise in. I got EXACTLY what I wanted. I love this combination.
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Old 08-21-2010, 07:21 PM   #24
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Just found my answer. The L99 has the pre-muffler. The LS3 does not. LS3 is a true dual exhaust.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...cs+ls3+exhaust
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Old 08-22-2010, 10:31 AM   #25
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Just found my answer. The L99 has the pre-muffler. The LS3 does not. LS3 is a true dual exhaust.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...cs+ls3+exhaust
That is perfect.....thanks....helps me out also!!!

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Old 08-22-2010, 10:48 AM   #26
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That is perfect.....thanks....helps me out also!!!

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Old 08-28-2010, 11:09 AM   #27
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The Borla Exhaust have been HUGE sellers...Since they are so popular and I get the same questions, I wanted to share some thoughts before you make a decision on which one to go with...

There are several flavors for the Camaro now.....
In the ATAK Series you have the
Camaro ATAK CatBack Exhaust System

Camaro Axleback ATAK Exhaust
Camaro ATAK Catback Exhaust for Camaros with Ground Effects Package
Camaro ATAK Axleback Exhaust for Camaros with Ground Effects Package

Then you have the Borla Camaro Catback Touring System (which does not sound much different than stock. For the person who wants the increased performance with no additional change in exhaust note)

and then in the Borla Sport lineup (which is my favorite)...
Camaro Borla Sport Catback
Camaro Borla Sport Axleback Exhaust

and the only 3" Borla system (OEM system and the other above systems are 2.5")
Borla 3" Camaro Sport Catback Exhaust If you get the 3" system, you will also want to get a new Camaro Billet Tunnel Brace as the 3" system will most likely touch your OEM tunnel Plate and rattle, which will drive you nuts!!!

Some thoughts before purchasing any of them.....

All of the Axle back systems require cutting them OEM system (which i am not a fan of, just in case you ever want to go back to stock). There is also one more "dirty"secret about the Axelbacks which needs to be known....When you install the Axleback it leaves in place the OEM Pre Muffler that is up towards the middle of the car. Not a big deal, but it DOES change the exhaust note slightly as compared to the Catback systems and does not make the L99 system a true dual exhaust as the Catback does.

Both Axle Back and Catback systems are great systems and make a huge improvement in sound, but if you can afford to spring for the extra cash, do it right and get the Catback.

From a sound perspective, you have the touring which sound not much different than stock. Then the Sport (my favorite) which bumps it up a notch from the sound perspective, but not too much. At the ATAK which is the most aggressive sounding of them all.

All of Borla's systems are awesome, but thought prospective shoppers would want to know the down and dirty on each one...

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Old 08-31-2010, 12:59 AM   #28
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what about Borla LT's?
Any comments on those?
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The Borla Exhaust have been HUGE sellers...Since they are so popular and I get the same questions, I wanted to share some thoughts before you make a decision on which one to go with...


Both Axle Back and Catback systems are great systems and make a huge improvement in sound, but if you can afford to spring for the extra cash, do it right and get the Catback.

From a sound perspective, you have the touring which sound not much different than stock. Then the Sport (my favorite) which bumps it up a notch from the sound perspective, but not too much. At the ATAK which is the most aggressive sounding of them all.

All of Borla's systems are awesome, but thought prospective shoppers would want to know the down and dirty on each one...

See ya,

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Looks interested. Can you post some photos of Borla's systems? I think I will buy some if I got impressed to it.

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Looks interested. Can you post some photos of Borla's systems? I think I will buy some if I got impressed to it.
There are images of the various Borla systems on each page, but this video may give you more of an idea. This is our install video we put together for the Sport Catback System, and you can see under the Camaro, as well as the Borla system as directly compared to the stock by watching this. You'll also be able to hear the exhaust tone with the Borla installed.

Borla Sport Exhaust Install Video

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Old 09-04-2010, 07:45 PM   #31
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Do note if you have OEM gfx, the Borla systems don't come with tips and look like butt.
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Old 09-07-2010, 03:56 PM   #32
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what about Borla LT's?
Any comments on those?
The Borla Long Tubes are fantastic systems, constructed from the same high quality 304 Stainless Steel that Borla uses for their exhausts. A complete header and exhaust combination will provide HP and Torque benefits well above the stock, and also give your Camaro a really mean and aggressive exhaust note. Of course, because this is Borla, the tone will be both aggressive and clean and provide you a powerful crescendo all the way up the RPM range. Of course, there are some downsides to Long Tube header packages. An exhaust is basically plug and play, but a full Long Tube header system will require a tune to get the true performance and efficiency benefits it offers. The install on a header package isn't as easily managed in a garage either, and is recommended to be done by a mechanic (unless you yourself are well experienced). Because of these reasons, and the increased price, LT headers tend to be less popular than Cat-Back exhaust options, even though their performance and tonal benefits are typically three-fold. If you are looking to purchase a complete Borla LT Header set, of course, I would look at combining the package with the Borla Exhaust of your choice for a full front to back exhaust upgrade. It is easier to install both at the same time than it is to do them separately, and will save $$ on the install cost.
Hope this helps you out!

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Do note if you have OEM gfx, the Borla systems don't come with tips and look like butt.
They don't have tips, but a decent muffler shop can easily cut and then attach the stock GFX tips is this is an issue for you. Sadly, b/c of the stock GFX, Borla hasn't been able to build a system with tips to meet that body kit. Of course, the lack of tips is also almost completely hidden by the GFX kit, and the "looking like butt" aspect is definitely a matter of personal opinion. I think it still looks pretty great, because, let's be honest, Camaros always look pretty great.

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Old 10-21-2010, 02:48 PM   #34
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Does the 3" system drone as much as the normal S-type?
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