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Old 03-31-2011, 01:59 PM   #51
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ARH to a 3" catback to stock axle-back? Alright, I'll try and help you here.

Catback and Axleback are terms for two different types of exhaust systems. If you have a catback, that goes from the cats all the way back through the muffler and tailpipes. An axle-back is only the mufflers and tail pipes. Thus, the two systems have overlapping components, and you wouldn't connect an axle-back to a catback. What I'll assume you have, with this in mind, is an ARH longtube header set with a 3" mid-pipe (x-pipe, in the case of the ARH system). That X-Pipe, while 3", will bolt up to the stock axle-back system, however, which means that it has a stepped grade at the end up the pipe to make it 2.5", which is the stock axle-back size. In this case, any Borla axle-back exhaust system should bolt up directly to your ARH long-tune set, and any slight issues of variance in length can easily be handled by a muffler shop. That being said, there are a number of axle-back systems available that will work for you, however none of them are 3" systems. Borla only offer the 3" Sport system in a full cat-back exhaust, which would give you true 3" piping all the way back, but which also includes an X-Pipe that would have to replace your current X-Pipe. In doing this, you'd ultimately end up with an extra, unnecessary, mid-pipe component piece, thus you'd be paying more for something you don't ultimately need. I suggest you find an axle-back system, such as the S-Type or ATAK (my personal favorite), that works in sound and tone for you and install that.
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Makes sense. Thank you. Looks like I'll be getting an s type axleback then in 2.5". The atak does sound good but is a bit too loud for me.

One more question. You are right about what I already have. Does the Borla axleback setup include the section of pipe that goes from the step down piece to the mufflers or would I still have to cut that out of the stock exhaust. I really want to keep the stock exhaust in one piece if possible.
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Makes sense. Thank you. Looks like I'll be getting an s type axleback then in 2.5". The atak does sound good but is a bit too loud for me.

One more question. You are right about what I already have. Does the Borla axleback setup include the section of pipe that goes from the step down piece to the mufflers or would I still have to cut that out of the stock exhaust. I really want to keep the stock exhaust in one piece if possible.
That step-down should be coming off of your X-Pipe, yeah? I'm not positive, I'd recommend checking with a local shop to get their idea/opinion on that install for you. Ultimately, I don't think you'll need to cut anything from the stock exhaust, as a separate piece can be made or put together easily.

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Old 04-05-2011, 09:57 AM   #53
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Then you have the Borla Camaro Catback Touring System (which does not sound much different than stock. For the person who wants the increased performance with no additional change in exhaust note)
Not sure if its also due to my Rotofab CAI, but my Touring system exhaust note sounds way different than stock!!!Much richer and deeper and no raspiness....
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Not sure if its also due to my Rotofab CAI, but my Touring system exhaust note sounds way different than stock!!!Much richer and deeper and no raspiness....
A CAI will definitely help increase exhaust tone. With exhaust extra flow is the name of the game, ultimately, and that's exactly what a CAI brings to the table. The touring definitely improves the tone, it just doesn't make it much louder, and when compared to the Sport or ATAK doesn't feel like that huge of a jump. It's an awesome exhaust and is perfect for a lot of set-ups (especially those with larger headers back who want to make sure they're not making their car so loud they can't hear themselves think, which can be a real problem with a powerful V8 like the Camaro has).

Glad you like the Touring, it's definitely (because it's Borla) an awesome exhaust system, and can certainly provide some more tone.

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Old 04-14-2011, 05:29 PM   #55
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ok quick question to make sure i understand this,
i was looking to do a cat-back ATAK system then later on doing the borla headers, now with that will the cat-back mate up to the LT headers or would i be wasting money and should just get the axle-back ?
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Old 04-14-2011, 05:35 PM   #56
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Thanks for the info. I'll be considering those systems.
I see you're in Marietta. Are you a dealer or installer?
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Old 04-16-2011, 10:48 AM   #57
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ok quick question to make sure i understand this,
i was looking to do a cat-back ATAK system then later on doing the borla headers, now with that will the cat-back mate up to the LT headers or would i be wasting money and should just get the axle-back ?
Long Tube Headers and a Cat-Back exhaust have an overlapping x-pipe section. Ordering an axle-back will prevent you from having this unnecessary mid-section piece, as will ordering short-tube headers down the line. Either way, you can put together a system that will meet up properly, whether you order Axle-Back or Cat-Back right now. That being said, I do recommend going with the axle-back now and the long-tube headers later, as doing the system set-up in that order just makes the most sense to me.

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Old 04-16-2011, 10:50 AM   #58
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Thanks for the info. I'll be considering those systems.
I see you're in Marietta. Are you a dealer or installer?
Happy to help! Hopefully we, and the other great people on this forum, can give you the information you need to find the perfect exhaust system.

We are located in the Marietta/Kennesaw area. We're a dealer only, and do not have a local walk-in show room. By functioning as an internet-only dealer we're able to keep our overhead costs down and pass on the savings to you in the form of the cheapest exhaust prices online. If you do wish to pick up locally, however, just give us a call and we will do what we can to work with you and set-up a scheduled pick-up from our warehouse. Of course, on items with Free Shipping, that feels like kind of a moot point.

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Old 06-09-2011, 07:41 AM   #59
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Just ordered a cat back Atak system! Here's to hoping I'll receive them early next week

I'm assuming you guys have 'em in stock?
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Just ordered a cat back Atak system! Here's to hoping I'll receive them early next week

I'm assuming you guys have 'em in stock?
Yeah, we do everything we can to keep those systems in stock because of their popularity. Should be shipping out today via UPS. Thanks for your order! Definitely let us know what you think of it when it arrives!

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Old 06-25-2011, 10:29 PM   #61
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The Borla Exhaust have been HUGE sellers...Since they are so popular and I get the same questions, I wanted to share some thoughts before you make a decision on which one to go with...

There are several flavors for the Camaro now.....
In the ATAK Series you have the
Camaro ATAK CatBack Exhaust System

Camaro Axleback ATAK Exhaust
Camaro ATAK Catback Exhaust for Camaros with Ground Effects Package
Camaro ATAK Axleback Exhaust for Camaros with Ground Effects Package

Then you have the Borla Camaro Catback Touring System (which does not sound much different than stock. For the person who wants the increased performance with no additional change in exhaust note)

and then in the Borla Sport lineup (which is my favorite)...
Camaro Borla Sport Catback
Camaro Borla Sport Axleback Exhaust

and the only 3" Borla system (OEM system and the other above systems are 2.5")
Borla 3" Camaro Sport Catback Exhaust If you get the 3" system, you will also want to get a new Camaro Billet Tunnel Brace as the 3" system will most likely touch your OEM tunnel Plate and rattle, which will drive you nuts!!!

Some thoughts before purchasing any of them.....

All of the Axle back systems require cutting them OEM system (which i am not a fan of, just in case you ever want to go back to stock). There is also one more "dirty"secret about the Axelbacks which needs to be known....When you install the Axleback it leaves in place the OEM Pre Muffler that is up towards the middle of the car. Not a big deal, but it DOES change the exhaust note slightly as compared to the Catback systems and does not make the L99 system a true dual exhaust as the Catback does.

Both Axle Back and Catback systems are great systems and make a huge improvement in sound, but if you can afford to spring for the extra cash, do it right and get the Catback.

From a sound perspective, you have the touring which sound not much different than stock. Then the Sport (my favorite) which bumps it up a notch from the sound perspective, but not too much. At the ATAK which is the most aggressive sounding of them all.

All of Borla's systems are awesome, but thought prospective shoppers would want to know the down and dirty on each one...

See ya,

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Hey Jim, I have a new 2011 SSRS with the L99 engine and have been looking at ALL the different axle back systems and was wondering which one you suggest for my application. I like the sound of the Borla S axleback and was uncertain about the crappy sound when it switches from 8 to 4 cylinders. What do you think? Seems like all the videos are the LS3 engines..Thanks..
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Hey Jim, I have a new 2011 SSRS with the L99 engine and have been looking at ALL the different axle back systems and was wondering which one you suggest for my application. I like the sound of the Borla S axleback and was uncertain about the crappy sound when it switches from 8 to 4 cylinders. What do you think? Seems like all the videos are the LS3 engines..Thanks..
Sadly, most of our experience with these systems is with the LS3. The only L99 installs we've done have been cat-backs, and those make it a true-dual system and remove the pre-mufflers, so their sound is different from the axle-back systems. That being said, my favorite of these systems is, across the board, the ATAK ones. I just personally prefer the sound that those mufflers give a lot more. They're aggressive, powerful, and clean. Of course, any system's going to give you some rasp/dirt when you're decelerating, that's decel pop and it's just part of the game, but a cat-back cuts down on said decel pop big time, and gives it a cleaner tone.
Again, my experience with the L99 is limited, and I'd be willing to bet some other forum members could give you more sound advice, but, my preference lies with the ATAK.

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I watched all the Borla video comparisons.
I really wish I could hear a V6 though.

The sounds are no where near the V8 (on stock), and I would really like a decent sound clip to hear.

have any of you found any decent sound clips of the borla catbacks on a V6??
I only hear some idle (in-garage) youtubes.

I'd be ready to make a purchase this week if i can get a sample sound on the atak and/or sport pipes.

Any help would be appreciated.
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Sadly, most of our experience with these systems is with the LS3. The only L99 installs we've done have been cat-backs, and those make it a true-dual system and remove the pre-mufflers, so their sound is different from the axle-back systems. That being said, my favorite of these systems is, across the board, the ATAK ones. I just personally prefer the sound that those mufflers give a lot more. They're aggressive, powerful, and clean. Of course, any system's going to give you some rasp/dirt when you're decelerating, that's decel pop and it's just part of the game, but a cat-back cuts down on said decel pop big time, and gives it a cleaner tone.
Again, my experience with the L99 is limited, and I'd be willing to bet some other forum members could give you more sound advice, but, my preference lies with the ATAK.

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Thanks Matt for the info..
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I watched all the Borla video comparisons.
I really wish I could hear a V6 though.

The sounds are no where near the V8 (on stock), and I would really like a decent sound clip to hear.

have any of you found any decent sound clips of the borla catbacks on a V6??
I only hear some idle (in-garage) youtubes.

I'd be ready to make a purchase this week if i can get a sample sound on the atak and/or sport pipes.

Any help would be appreciated.
There's only one Borla system available for the Camaro V6. You can view it on our website here: http://www.southerncarparts.com/cama...st-p-2369.html
That'll explain why you can't find any ATAK or Sport clips for the V6. The V6 Exhaust system is most comparable to a Sport system, that being said, and gives a great tone. I've only ever done one install on a V6 though, so I don't have any videos available.
Hope this helps.
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The Borla Exhaust have been HUGE sellers...Since they are so popular and I get the same questions, I wanted to share some thoughts before you make a decision on which one to go with...

There are several flavors for the Camaro now.....
In the ATAK Series you have the
Camaro ATAK CatBack Exhaust System

Camaro Axleback ATAK Exhaust
Camaro ATAK Catback Exhaust for Camaros with Ground Effects Package
Camaro ATAK Axleback Exhaust for Camaros with Ground Effects Package

Then you have the Borla Camaro Catback Touring System (which does not sound much different than stock. For the person who wants the increased performance with no additional change in exhaust note)

and then in the Borla Sport lineup (which is my favorite)...
Camaro Borla Sport Catback
Camaro Borla Sport Axleback Exhaust

and the only 3" Borla system (OEM system and the other above systems are 2.5")
Borla 3" Camaro Sport Catback Exhaust If you get the 3" system, you will also want to get a new Camaro Billet Tunnel Brace as the 3" system will most likely touch your OEM tunnel Plate and rattle, which will drive you nuts!!!

Some thoughts before purchasing any of them.....

All of the Axle back systems require cutting the OEM system (which i am not a fan of, just in case you ever want to go back to stock). There is also one more "dirty"secret about the Axelbacks which needs to be known....When you install the Axleback it leaves in place the OEM Pre Muffler that is up towards the middle of the car. Not a big deal, but it DOES change the exhaust note slightly as compared to the Catback systems and does not make the L99 system a true dual exhaust as the Catback does.

Both Axle Back and Catback systems are great systems and make a huge improvement in sound, but if you can afford to spring for the extra cash, do it right and get the Catback.

From a sound perspective, you have the touring which sound not much different than stock. Then the Sport (my favorite) which bumps it up a notch from the sound perspective, but not too much. At the ATAK which is the most aggressive sounding of them all.

All of Borla's systems are awesome, but thought prospective shoppers would want to know the down and dirty on each one...

See ya,

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So I have the Borla ATAK catback sitting in my house. How easy is the install (no lift available and no prior exhaust install experience) and how much would a shop charge for it? Any special tools required?
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So I have the Borla ATAK catback sitting in my house. How easy is the install (no lift available and no prior exhaust install experience) and how much would a shop charge for it? Any special tools required?
Without a lift? Not that easy. It's possible, but, will require two people and will probably inspire a few curses. The stock system is just bulky and heavy, and removing it while having to lie on your back isn't preferable. If you can get access to a lift, I would say you and a friend could very easily do the entire removal and replacement installation in under two hours. Two hours is about the limit of time I'd expect a shop to charge you, also. Honestly, a shop (with a lift and and proper air tools) should be able to do the install in under an hour, but they'll always charge a little more.

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So against my better judgement and yours, I decided to try it this weekend with the two back tires on ramps. Actually completed the install in a little under 2 hrs so it ended up working out. We had three guys though to help manipulate the stock exhaust out. A lift definitely would have been easier of course.

As far as ATAK goes, it's incredible. Full throttle sounds like a race car.
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So against my better judgement and yours, I decided to try it this weekend with the two back tires on ramps. Actually completed the install in a little under 2 hrs so it ended up working out. We had three guys though to help manipulate the stock exhaust out. A lift definitely would have been easier of course.

As far as ATAK goes, it's incredible. Full throttle sounds like a race car.
Glad you were able to get it done that way. I know that it can be frustrating removing that stock system while lying on your back. Extra hands is definitely the way to get that done. That stock exhaust just comes out in such large portions, that it's rough that way.

Also, glad you like it! I love the race-car notes and the crescendo up the RPM band that the ATAK has with the Camaro V8 engines. It's definitely my favorite C5 SS exhaust, also.

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Currently waiting on Borla Camaro systems to arrive. Have multiple pallets coming in from Borla in the next week or two with a lot of systems on them, a number of which are already claimed by customers waiting. Be sure to order sooner rather than later to ensure you're in line for one of these when they come in the door. Will be in stock in 1 to 2 weeks time.

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Currently waiting on Borla Camaro systems to arrive. Have multiple pallets coming in from Borla in the next week or two with a lot of systems on them, a number of which are already claimed by customers waiting. Be sure to order sooner rather than later to ensure you're in line for one of these when they come in the door. Will be in stock in 1 to 2 weeks time.

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Matt,

Did this shipment arrive yet? Ready to pull the trigger on one of the packages that includes ATAK cat back! Can't wait
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Did this shipment arrive yet? Ready to pull the trigger on one of the packages that includes ATAK cat back! Can't wait
Yes, shipment came in, but a lot of it has already gone out the door. Give us a call at (770)919-1433 for shipping schedule idea, and price quote.

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