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Tran · 08-10-2006, 09:03 PM

According to trade publication Automotive News, Wagoner said that unlike the Ford Mustang, the 2009 Camaro will have independent rear suspension.

He also said the car might use GM's cylinder deactivation technology to improve fuel economy. Even without that, he said the car will get good milage. "Remember, we produce Corvettes now that get over 400 hp and get 28 miles to the gallon."

Lastly, he hinted a convertible version may also be in the work. The car will come in many shapes and sizes. Wagoner reiterated his belief that GM can sell 100,000 Camaros per year.

Cleric · 08-10-2006, 10:03 PM

T tops or targa would be GREAT IMO

i love the versatility of T tops

Heelz2315 · 08-11-2006, 10:39 AM

If they can sell that many per year then why in the world do some of these dealers think people are going to pay $25K over MSRP? Sounds like they'll be enough to go around....maybe not for the first month or so but still plenty.

*KILLER74Z28* · 08-14-2006, 02:47 PM

All Headline News

August 11, 2006 10:50 a.m. EST

The Camaro concept car fully equipped with a manual transmission and a V-8 engine that can go to four cylinders at highway speeds is able to get 30 or more miles per gallon.

The price for the archetype will be announced later.

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7004506850

MarkLS2 · 08-14-2006, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KILLER74Z28

All Headline News

August 11, 2006 10:50 a.m. EST

The Camaro concept car fully equipped with a manual transmission and a V-8 engine that can go to four cylinders at highway speeds is able to get 30 or more miles per gallon.

The price for the archetype will be announced later.

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7004506850

I'll believe that when I see it.

*KILLER74Z28* · 08-14-2006, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkLS2

I'll believe that when I see it.

The Vettes are doing it with 400+ HP. Why is it so hard to believe?

*KILLER74Z28* · 08-23-2006, 06:15 PM

GM: The zoomer is a sipper

Automotive News / August 14, 2006 - 6:00 am

How do you justify a new muscle car in an era of $3-and-rising gasoline?

You call it a fuel-sipper.

To the surprise of exactly no one, General Motors announced last week that it's reviving the Camaro name in 2009, on a Chevrolet coupe engineered by its Australian Holden subsidiary.

And if you're fretting about fuel, suggested Chevrolet General Manager Ed Peper, you can order Camaro Lite - with a V-6 and perhaps cylinder de-activation, which boosts fuel economy by letting the engine loaf along on fewer cylinders at cruising speeds.

"We will offer V-6 and V-8 engine variants," Peper said at a press event in suburban Detroit. "We may well have active fuel management (cylinder de-activation) on the V-6, if that's what somebody wants."

He also pointed out that the Chevrolet Corvette with a V-8 has a 28-mpg highway rating (the city rating is 18 mpg).

"We're not at all concerned," Peper said.

The Camaro is the latest entry in the muscle car segment, which grows as gasoline prices continue to rise and Asian brands continue to gain market share with fuel-efficient vehicles. The segment includes the Ford Mustang-based Shelby GT500 and the Dodge Challenger, which is scheduled to reach showrooms in 2008 with a Hemi engine.

GM CEO Rick Wagoner said at the Management Briefing Seminars in Traverse City, Mich., that the Camaro coupe that arrives in 2009 might be followed by a convertible. "It will come in many shapes and sizes," Wagoner said of the Camaro.

GM first showed a concept version of the Camaro at the Detroit auto show in January. Wagoner said he agreed with GM Vice Chairman Bob Lutz's assessment that GM could sell 100,000 Camaros per year.

BlacLac02 · 08-24-2006, 11:06 AM

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I'll believe that when I see it.

no dude its really true you can get 30 mpg out of it. its got a half shaft in the motor and half of it stops moving the engine when crusing and when you get into it again it kicks in. if your gonna complain about gas mileage in a muscle car in the first place, you need to go buy a honda. its not even about the mileage it gets its about the power and looks of it. my old t/a got 8mpg so anything over that in a new car is just a blessing but odds are im gonna have it getting 8mpg again. so if you are concerned about gas mileage dont buy the car becasue odds are its not gonna get amazing gas mileage like a hybrid does.and thats my taking. thank you thank you

boxmonkeyracing · 08-25-2006, 12:10 PM

hybrids on the highway don't get any better gas mileage then a normal engine.

Urthman · 08-28-2006, 01:58 PM

Are you kidding? There is a big difference between Hybrid mpg and normal engines on the highway.

Here is an example: (City/Highway)

Civic Hybrid: 49mpg / 51mpg
Civic (Automatic, non-hybrid): 30mpg / 40mpg

It's an ugly car, but it's fuel efficient.

BlacLac02 · 08-29-2006, 03:35 PM

well that car only gets better gas mileage than the regular one becasue on the highway its run by the batteries in it instead of the engine. that car runs on half battery and half engine. basically the engine keeps the battery charged

boxmonkeyracing · 08-29-2006, 05:12 PM

well my friend has a hybrid and he gets just the same actual gas mileage on the highway that I do in my saturn ion. and the only way he can do better is if he goes like 55 on the high way not the speed limit.

*KILLER74Z28* · 08-29-2006, 06:01 PM

Most hybrids are designed for stop and go driving (City) that’s where they excel. Highway mileage is not much better that most of the fuel efficient vehicle offered today.

Plus, a lot of magazines testing the hybrids are not getting the same results the manufacturers are claming (less MPG).

jbynum69 · 08-30-2006, 10:04 AM

some consumer groups(real ones) actually are trying to get people realize that hybrid cars cost you more in the long run.

1. you pay more for the hybrid version on most cars and you will have to keep the car for 15 yrs or more with the gas savings to amount to what you will spend buying one compared to the non-hybrid version of the same car.
2. diesel engine cars on the other hand are more fuel effecient and are better priceing for the long run(don't want one though) and the fuel can be changed over to vegetable oil used products at your local mcdonalds( if you have the time and are smart enough ,with about 2-3000 dollars to spend converting it over and makeing the stuff).

I'll stick to my gas hog and not drive it so much. nothing like 425 hp and 3" pipes making you drool.

boxmonkeyracing · 08-30-2006, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jbynum69

I'll stick to my gas hog and not drive it so much. nothing like 425 hp and 3" pipes making you drool.

AMEN!!!!

BlacLac02 · 08-30-2006, 01:37 PM

you guys are arguing over gas mileage for a hybrid. if you cant aford the gas in the new camaro or your concerned about how much your gonna get in it.....dont buy it. becasue if they do say you can get 30mpg in it thats not really driving the car thats probably coasting down a hill. if you actually buy the camaro and use it liek its supposed to be run your gonna be lucky to get 15-20 mpg. i know that my cars i have or have had i dont pussy foot around i open them up and let the horses run.

Urthman · 08-30-2006, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BlacLac02

well that car only gets better gas mileage than the regular one becasue on the highway its run by the batteries in it instead of the engine. that car runs on half battery and half engine. basically the engine keeps the battery charged

That is the definition of a hybrid, part gas combustion and part electric.

It doesn't really matter to me at all really. I don't drive a hybrid and never will. I will be buying a new Camaro and I will be driving it like a muscle car should be driven.

boxmonkeyracing · 08-30-2006, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BlacLac02

you guys are arguing over gas mileage for a hybrid. if you cant aford the gas in the new camaro or your concerned about how much your gonna get in it.....dont buy it. becasue if they do say you can get 30mpg in it thats not really driving the car thats probably coasting down a hill. if you actually buy the camaro and use it liek its supposed to be run your gonna be lucky to get 15-20 mpg. i know that my cars i have or have had i dont pussy foot around i open them up and let the horses run.

so you're tellin me I pussy footed my 96 trans am when I was getting 22 mpg on the interstate? that's the only place I got good gas mileage. anywhere else I got like maybe 10 mpg at most. lol.

BlacLac02 · 08-31-2006, 07:41 AM

no thats good if your getting 10 mpg then your a driver just like me. it depends on what kind of driving you do. if im just driving around town.... im not doing the speedlimit if im driving a long distance im probably not doing the speedlimit but im not trying to race anyone either, its just a constant speed and now stopping. but around town yeah ill burn up more gas cause i float through traffic. i hate beeing stuck behind slow drivers

boxmonkeyracing · 09-01-2006, 10:31 AM

I did anywhere between 75-80 on the intersate with my trans am. and yea i hated being stuck behind traffic that's why I was getting 10 mpg. dang I miss that car. forget about ever getting married again. especially after I get this camaro. I aint selling that carr for anyone.

*TAG UR IT* · 09-01-2006, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

dang I miss that car. forget about ever getting married again. especially after I get this camaro. I aint selling that car for anyone.

HAHA...you want to know something cool? My wife is excited about the new camaro coming out. She wants to help choose options (told her is was ultimately up to me, since it would be my car which she understands). When we got her the Kia, I let her get all the bells and whistles (even freakin butt warmers for the love of God...We're in TEXAS for cryin out loud!). So...when it's time to get my car, there won't be any complaining at all.

boxmonkeyracing · 09-01-2006, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

HAHA...you want to know something cool? My wife is excited about the new camaro coming out. She wants to help choose options (told her is was ultimately up to me, since it would be my car which she understands). When we got her the Kia, I let her get all the bells and whistles (even freakin butt warmers for the love of God...We're in TEXAS for cryin out loud!). So...when it's time to get my car, there won't be any complaining at all.

LOL. well the TA was my only car and my ex wife didn't have a car. so I ended up selling it for a stupid saturn ion sedan. because she was prego but somethin bad happen and then she left my ass. never again!

*TAG UR IT* · 09-01-2006, 01:19 PM

Ouch! Yeah, believe it or not, my wife was driving a Mustang. She wasn't too happy with that car when she was pregnant. I held off as long as I could. But when it was time, there was no cutting corners on safety for the little one. I sold the Mustang to one of my buddies, used that money to pay off the Z-28, and took out a full loan on the Kia (to avoid having two car payments. That kept the monthly payments to $400 vs $700 for both. If you stay single for a while, no one can tell you what to do. However, if u meet a cool girl who has the same interests as you and ends up becoming your wife, well....there's nothing like two incomes and all the money saved by staying in the same house, etc, etc.

BlacLac02 · 09-01-2006, 02:14 PM

i already got things strait with my girl about this car. all of my old girlfriends wanted me to get rid of my car to buy them a ring..... well lets just say the car stayed around longer than they di. but i did get rid of it to save for the new camaro and i told me new girl i was getting it and nothing is changing my mind. she said ok its your money do what you want. yeah.... shes a keeper

boxmonkeyracing · 09-01-2006, 07:00 PM

well I lived and learned.

08-10-2006, 09:03 PM	#1
Tran Administrator Drives: 2010 Camaro of course.... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: NE baby Posts: 2,572	More details on production Camaro - good MPG and convertible version possible. According to trade publication Automotive News, Wagoner said that unlike the Ford Mustang, the 2009 Camaro will have independent rear suspension. He also said the car might use GM's cylinder deactivation technology to improve fuel economy. Even without that, he said the car will get good milage. "Remember, we produce Corvettes now that get over 400 hp and get 28 miles to the gallon." Lastly, he hinted a convertible version may also be in the work. The car will come in many shapes and sizes. Wagoner reiterated his belief that GM can sell 100,000 Camaros per year.

08-30-2006, 10:04 AM	#14
jbynum69 God of thunder Drives: 95 Mustang GT Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Monroe,Ga Posts: 81	some consumer groups(real ones) actually are trying to get people realize that hybrid cars cost you more in the long run. 1. you pay more for the hybrid version on most cars and you will have to keep the car for 15 yrs or more with the gas savings to amount to what you will spend buying one compared to the non-hybrid version of the same car. 2. diesel engine cars on the other hand are more fuel effecient and are better priceing for the long run(don't want one though) and the fuel can be changed over to vegetable oil used products at your local mcdonalds( if you have the time and are smart enough ,with about 2-3000 dollars to spend converting it over and makeing the stuff). I'll stick to my gas hog and not drive it so much. nothing like 425 hp and 3" pipes making you drool. __________________ And the camaro said there Is a better way, for I am the way, the route, & the RIDE!!! My first car was a 72 ss I've owned 9 camaro's over the yrs...:

08-10-2006, 10:03 PM	#2
Cleric Drives: not a 5th gen Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: somewhere Posts: 128	T tops or targa would be GREAT IMO i love the versatility of T tops

08-11-2006, 10:39 AM	#3
Heelz2315 Drives: None yet, and I mean "yet" Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Graham Posts: 9	If they can sell that many per year then why in the world do some of these dealers think people are going to pay $25K over MSRP? Sounds like they'll be enough to go around....maybe not for the first month or so but still plenty.

08-14-2006, 02:47 PM	#4
KILLER74Z28 MOD SQUAD Drives: 2G1FT1EW9A9100666 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Fremont MI Posts: 3,535 View My Garage	All Headline News August 11, 2006 10:50 a.m. EST The Camaro concept car fully equipped with a manual transmission and a V-8 engine that can go to four cylinders at highway speeds is able to get 30 or more miles per gallon. The price for the archetype will be announced later. http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7004506850

08-23-2006, 06:15 PM	#7
KILLER74Z28 MOD SQUAD Drives: 2G1FT1EW9A9100666 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Fremont MI Posts: 3,535 View My Garage	GM: The zoomer is a sipper Automotive News / August 14, 2006 - 6:00 am How do you justify a new muscle car in an era of $3-and-rising gasoline? You call it a fuel-sipper. To the surprise of exactly no one, General Motors announced last week that it's reviving the Camaro name in 2009, on a Chevrolet coupe engineered by its Australian Holden subsidiary. And if you're fretting about fuel, suggested Chevrolet General Manager Ed Peper, you can order Camaro Lite - with a V-6 and perhaps cylinder de-activation, which boosts fuel economy by letting the engine loaf along on fewer cylinders at cruising speeds. "We will offer V-6 and V-8 engine variants," Peper said at a press event in suburban Detroit. "We may well have active fuel management (cylinder de-activation) on the V-6, if that's what somebody wants." He also pointed out that the Chevrolet Corvette with a V-8 has a 28-mpg highway rating (the city rating is 18 mpg). "We're not at all concerned," Peper said. The Camaro is the latest entry in the muscle car segment, which grows as gasoline prices continue to rise and Asian brands continue to gain market share with fuel-efficient vehicles. The segment includes the Ford Mustang-based Shelby GT500 and the Dodge Challenger, which is scheduled to reach showrooms in 2008 with a Hemi engine. GM CEO Rick Wagoner said at the Management Briefing Seminars in Traverse City, Mich., that the Camaro coupe that arrives in 2009 might be followed by a convertible. "It will come in many shapes and sizes," Wagoner said of the Camaro. GM first showed a concept version of the Camaro at the Detroit auto show in January. Wagoner said he agreed with GM Vice Chairman Bob Lutz's assessment that GM could sell 100,000 Camaros per year.

08-28-2006, 01:58 PM	#10
Urthman Future Camaro Owner Drives: 2008 Pontiac G8 GT Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 526 View My Garage	Are you kidding? There is a big difference between Hybrid mpg and normal engines on the highway. Here is an example: (City/Highway) Civic Hybrid: 49mpg / 51mpg Civic (Automatic, non-hybrid): 30mpg / 40mpg It's an ugly car, but it's fuel efficient.

08-29-2006, 03:35 PM	#11
BlacLac02 Banned Drives: 2002 Cadillac Escalade & STS Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canton,Oh Posts: 263	well that car only gets better gas mileage than the regular one becasue on the highway its run by the batteries in it instead of the engine. that car runs on half battery and half engine. basically the engine keeps the battery charged

08-29-2006, 06:01 PM	#13
KILLER74Z28 MOD SQUAD Drives: 2G1FT1EW9A9100666 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Fremont MI Posts: 3,535 View My Garage	Most hybrids are designed for stop and go driving (City) that’s where they excel. Highway mileage is not much better that most of the fuel efficient vehicle offered today. Plus, a lot of magazines testing the hybrids are not getting the same results the manufacturers are claming (less MPG).

08-30-2006, 01:37 PM	#16
BlacLac02 Banned Drives: 2002 Cadillac Escalade & STS Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canton,Oh Posts: 263	you guys are arguing over gas mileage for a hybrid. if you cant aford the gas in the new camaro or your concerned about how much your gonna get in it.....dont buy it. becasue if they do say you can get 30mpg in it thats not really driving the car thats probably coasting down a hill. if you actually buy the camaro and use it liek its supposed to be run your gonna be lucky to get 15-20 mpg. i know that my cars i have or have had i dont pussy foot around i open them up and let the horses run.

08-31-2006, 07:41 AM	#19
BlacLac02 Banned Drives: 2002 Cadillac Escalade & STS Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canton,Oh Posts: 263	no thats good if your getting 10 mpg then your a driver just like me. it depends on what kind of driving you do. if im just driving around town.... im not doing the speedlimit if im driving a long distance im probably not doing the speedlimit but im not trying to race anyone either, its just a constant speed and now stopping. but around town yeah ill burn up more gas cause i float through traffic. i hate beeing stuck behind slow drivers

09-01-2006, 01:19 PM	#23
TAG UR IT Moderator Drives: THRSS #2 / CGM#1 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: SA, Texas Posts: 16,578 View My Garage	Ouch! Yeah, believe it or not, my wife was driving a Mustang. She wasn't too happy with that car when she was pregnant. I held off as long as I could. But when it was time, there was no cutting corners on safety for the little one. I sold the Mustang to one of my buddies, used that money to pay off the Z-28, and took out a full loan on the Kia (to avoid having two car payments. That kept the monthly payments to $400 vs $700 for both. If you stay single for a while, no one can tell you what to do. However, if u meet a cool girl who has the same interests as you and ends up becoming your wife, well....there's nothing like two incomes and all the money saved by staying in the same house, etc, etc.

09-01-2006, 02:14 PM	#24
BlacLac02 Banned Drives: 2002 Cadillac Escalade & STS Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canton,Oh Posts: 263	i already got things strait with my girl about this car. all of my old girlfriends wanted me to get rid of my car to buy them a ring..... well lets just say the car stayed around longer than they di. but i did get rid of it to save for the new camaro and i told me new girl i was getting it and nothing is changing my mind. she said ok its your money do what you want. yeah.... shes a keeper