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Old 07-28-2010, 03:50 PM   #26
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How? To once again make the Mustang look better. There is no comparing these two models... but they do it to show how great the "Mustang" is... doesn't matter what trim/model. As I said I have yet to see a decent and fair review of both cars. This review/comparison/etc eve has a graph lining up their numbers. This was a botch of an article and should be put in the versus graveyard with all of those other useless posts. Maybe one day someone will do a REAL comparison.
Wow. It was an interesting read, that's all. I agree that a GT vs an SS would be interesting but I think the purpose of this was to simply see what the two to muscle cars from each manufacturer could do when unleashed. Lighten up a little. You'll have more fun.
Not everything has to become a Camaro/Mustang battle. Both cars are great.
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:54 PM   #27
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Are street-racing stories still disallowed if the racer is from Popular Mechanics?
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Old 07-28-2010, 04:00 PM   #28
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Man, I wish I knew they were doing this. I'd would have loved to drive out there and watch this. It's about 40mins away from me.
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Old 07-28-2010, 04:15 PM   #29
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Sure it said "Vs." but other than where the author commented about the Camaro's suspension was more comfortable, there was no face to face comparison. It says in the article that the GT500 is faster as it should be for a car with 100 more HP and the same weight. No one who knows anything about cars or physics in general would have expected the Camaro to go faster. If the outcome is already known, how can you make these two cars compete?
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How? To once again make the Mustang look better. There is no comparing these two models... but they do it to show how great the "Mustang" is... doesn't matter what trim/model. As I said I have yet to see a decent and fair review of both cars. This review/comparison/etc eve has a graph lining up their numbers. This was a botch of an article and should be put in the versus graveyard with all of those other useless posts. Maybe one day someone will do a REAL comparison.
Jeez, a little sensitive today? The point of this article wasn't to compare the cars, or say that one was better than the other (it never actually made any conclusions like that). I'm thinking it was just an excuse to take two high power muscle cars on a long road trip to a place where both could be maxed out. Sure, even without doing it, it's obvious that a 550hp car will be faster than a 426hp car...but then where's the fun?
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Old 07-28-2010, 04:19 PM   #30
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Excellent read.

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Old 07-28-2010, 04:39 PM   #31
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Excellent read.

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Old 07-28-2010, 05:05 PM   #32
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why didnt they do just the new 5.0 gt vs the camaro ss. its fair that way
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:08 PM   #33
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This makes me wonder how a regular GT would perform compared to the shelby... although I think the Camaro would win. Theoretically, higher horsepower means higher top speed, am I right?
Not necessarily. To know for sure which vehicle will have a higher top speed, you have to know not only how much power is going to the wheels, but also what the differences in drag coefficient and reference area are.

Small differences in drag coefficient and reference area can mean big differences in top speed due to the fact that drag is a function drag coefficient, reference area and of velocity squared. That is, every time you double your velocity, your drag increases by a factor of 4.

Top speed falls out pretty easily from: Top speed = cube root ( 2 *RWHP / A * rho * Cd)

where

A = reference area
rho = air density
Cd = drag coefficient

If you can find A and Cd which auto manufacturers are not always forthcoming about.

Which is probably more than anybody wanted to know anyway...
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:18 PM   #34
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I really enjoyed this article

Main thing is that the writers were having fun and aknowledged the differences in the car - but as they said - to have a car in the $30K price bracket doing over 170 and doing it in an unfussed manner with stable handling and great brakes is pretty amazing

Lets just take the article in the spirit in which it was intended - 2 guys taking 2 hot muscle cars onto the salt flats for some fun and tell us some stories about the trip along the way .... made me want to go on a loooong drive
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:42 PM   #35
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Man, I wish I knew they were doing this. I'd would have loved to drive out there and watch this. It's about 40mins away from me.
Perhaps we could have a test of our own!
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:49 PM   #36
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Wow. That was a great article. I'm ready to go play now.
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Old 07-28-2010, 06:45 PM   #37
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Great read, I didn't pick up my beer once.
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Old 07-28-2010, 06:59 PM   #38
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Great read, it's amazing to think that with $32,000, and some money to tune out your governor, you can get to 174.4 mph!
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Old 07-28-2010, 07:11 PM   #39
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I've gotta figure out how to get a job where they'll pay me to do things like this lol. VERY entertaining read.
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Old 07-28-2010, 07:19 PM   #40
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Old 07-28-2010, 07:37 PM   #41
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I intend to make a 'pilgrimage' to the salt-flats at least once in my life.

Awesome read.
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Old 07-28-2010, 07:50 PM   #42
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I agree a more fair comparison is the SS and 5.0 GT. The fastest 0-60 times recorded in magazine tests for the 2011 GT, set up just like mine (6spd manual, 3.73 gears, Brembo package) is 4.3 seconds v.s the 2010 GT 500 coming in at 4.1 seconds. I think the SS was 4.5-4.6. So, higher HP is not necessary equivalent to higher speed. I would love to take a shot at a GT 500 with just a few bolt ons just shut those morons up. They love to tout how great their cars are. I hope $15K-$20K is worth 2/10ths of a second for them a dn 4/10ths in the quarter (12.4 v.s 12.8). I'm quite certain the 5.0 can make up those differences for a lot less money, as can the SS.

I have to say I like the LS engines. I drove one today. My Mustang loves to rev and makes its power in a different power band than the SS. The SS has more "grunt" until a certain rpm. Reminds me of the 1998 T/A WS-6 I used to have.
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Old 07-28-2010, 08:23 PM   #43
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hahaha !!! yet once again people try to make the camaro look bad, like last time comparing it to a 90k benz come on now, lets do it the right way gt500 vs z28 THEN we'll see who really rules the muscle car world
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Old 07-28-2010, 08:28 PM   #44
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makes me wonder how a regular GT would perform compared to the shelby... although I think the Camaro would win. Theoretically, higher horsepower means higher top speed, am I right?[/QUOTE]

Not really my camaro dosent have a speed limmiter anymore and i have 336 hp and i toped out my 01 ss at 186mph.


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Old 07-28-2010, 08:31 PM   #45
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hahaha !!! yet once again people try to make the camaro look bad, like last time comparing it to a 90k benz come on now, lets do it the right way gt500 vs z28 THEN we'll see who really rules the muscle car world
I didn't realize there was a Z28. I think the more likely match up would be the SS vs the GT.
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Old 07-28-2010, 08:35 PM   #46
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Wow. It was an interesting read, that's all. I agree that a GT vs an SS would be interesting but I think the purpose of this was to simply see what the two to muscle cars from each manufacturer could do when unleashed. Lighten up a little. You'll have more fun.
Not everything has to become a Camaro/Mustang battle. Both cars are great.
Exactly, made me wish i was there !
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Old 07-28-2010, 09:00 PM   #47
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hahaha !!! yet once again people try to make the camaro look bad, like last time comparing it to a 90k benz come on now, lets do it the right way gt500 vs z28 THEN we'll see who really rules the muscle car world
I'm not sure that review was meant to make one car look any better than the other...I mean, they made it abundantly clear why the GT500 was faster...its not like they were hiding those 120 extra horses from the reader.

No, I think this article was to showcase the salt flats and what it means to go FAST. A low-profile writeup of a couple of guys having some fun. And they chose to do it in two iconic American muscle cars.
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Old 07-28-2010, 09:03 PM   #48
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Considering the SS was down 120hp, WOW did it perform well.
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Old 07-28-2010, 09:32 PM   #49
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Thanks to the guys for sharing their fun with us. Great story and good writing. I love reading all comparisons and discussions, as it helps educate me to a certain extent.

Being a Chevy (class, style, beauty, etc.) and a Camaro lover (imagine the possibilities, bang for the buck, and how much do you want to spend), stories like these reinforces that even more.

As impressive as the Shelby GT500 is, I am even more impressed by the Camaro in this story (110+ hp and price differential, as shown partially below).

Having some more fun (source AOL Autos with evident copy/paste struggle), and as if you all didn't already know, mostly summed up above already, here is some additional repetitive comparisons....

Compare Pricing
2SS 2dr coupe Base 2dr coupe
2010 Chevrolet Camaro 2010 Ford Shelby GT500
MSRP
$33,945 $46,725
Market Price
$33,887 $43,890
Invoice Price
$32,587 $42,236
Destination Charge
$850 $850
Monthly Car Payment
$641 $882

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Old 07-28-2010, 09:35 PM   #50
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Considering the terrible aerodynamics of both cars I suppose the numbers are okay. LS1s were doing 175 with the limiter removed and 162 limited stock 12 yrs ago, so I'm not impressed. Acceleration is the story with the GT500 and 5th SS.
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