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Old 01-19-2011, 10:16 AM   #101
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So to re-iterate, the boys voice on the recording plus the GPS data was the evidence that placed him at the scene driving the car, and how they were able to bring charges against him.
Yes, but as has also been pointed out, his voice was only on the recording because he hit something (probably a goal or something similar). Its not like onstar tapped into his car to hear him whooping with glee as he tore up the field.

The police probably already had evidence that it was his dad's denali, they just supoenaed onstar for proof and to confirm the identity of the driver.
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Old 01-19-2011, 10:38 AM   #102
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There have been all kinds of incidents where automotive journalist and others were doing some 'performance' driving or testing of a vehicle on skip-pads/cones, etc. and been contacted by On-Star, they didn't "hit anything." Regardless of the reason, the recording of his voice was the evidence that sealed his fate and placed him at the scene.

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I want an example of someones OnStar history being used against them by law enforcement some time in the last 5 years.
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He asked for an example, and this provided a perfect one "of someones OnStar history being used against them" doesn't it?
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Old 01-19-2011, 12:18 PM   #103
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There have been all kinds of incidents where automotive journalist and others were doing some 'performance' driving or testing of a vehicle on skip-pads/cones, etc. and been contacted by On-Star, they didn't "hit anything." Regardless of the reason, the recording of his voice was the evidence that sealed his fate and placed him at the scene.



He asked for an example, and this provided a perfect one "of someones OnStar history being used against them" doesn't it?
Yup, it is. There are probably more examples like that out there even if we have not heard about many. It isn't upsetting me much that the kid got nailed with the help of OnStar. Destruction of property is not a victimless crime. If LEAs use it that way we should not be too concerned. If it was your front yard that was all torn up you would be glad they cought the perp.

At the same time, it would be a big strech to say that authorities are monitoring OnStar customers to detect crime. Its not like a guy was speeding then got a ticket because OnStar notified the authorities who were otherwise unaware of the infraction. That stuff isn't happening.

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Old 01-19-2011, 12:47 PM   #104
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Yes, but as has also been pointed out, his voice was only on the recording because he hit something (probably a goal or something similar). Its not like onstar tapped into his car to hear him whooping with glee as he tore up the field.

The police probably already had evidence that it was his dad's denali, they just supoenaed onstar for proof and to confirm the identity of the driver.
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Yup, it is. There are probably more examples like that out there even if we have not heard about many. It isn't upsetting me much that the kid got nailed with the help of OnStar. Destruction of property is not a victimless crime. If LEAs use it that way we should not be too concerned. If it was your front yard that was all torn up you would be glad they cought the perp.

At the same time, it would be a big strech to say that authorities are monitoring OnStar customers to detect crime. Its not like a guy was speeding then got a ticket because OnStar notified the authorities who were otherwise unaware of the infraction. That stuff isn't happening.

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Exactly, it was used after the fact. Not only that many newer GPS systems keep records as well.
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There have been all kinds of incidents where automotive journalist and others were doing some 'performance' driving or testing of a vehicle on skip-pads/cones, etc. and been contacted by On-Star, they didn't "hit anything." Regardless of the reason, the recording of his voice was the evidence that sealed his fate and placed him at the scene.
It's because the Onstar system works via a series of sensors, and if a sensor gets tripped because of one of those performance tests, then OnStar is activated. If you're still alive and your car is still in one piece, then OnStar couldn't care less what you do after that.
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Old 01-20-2011, 08:29 AM   #107
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It's because the Onstar system works via a series of sensors, and if a sensor gets tripped because of one of those performance tests, then OnStar is activated. If you're still alive and your car is still in one piece, then OnStar couldn't care less what you do after that.
Yes I know, that is why I posted it. Someone was under the impression that only "hitting something" would trigger OnStar which is not the case.

I would have absolutely no problems having a car with OnStar BTW. If someone REALLY wants to spy on me there are much MUCH easier and less time consuming ways than having to go through judges/courts/subpoenaes etc. Glad they got the little bastard and made him responsible for what he did.

But let this be a lesson to everyone: When you decide to go out and do thousands of dollars of damage vandalizing someone's lawn or property in your OnStar equipped car like so many of us always do, when OnStar calls DON'T SAY ANYTHING!!!!!. Get the heck out of there and report the car stolen!!!! There, problem fixed!!!!
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Old 01-20-2011, 09:55 AM   #108
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Old 01-20-2011, 10:17 AM   #109
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How is this thread still going?
I was wondering that myself. As pathetic as it is, it's rather comical too.
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Old 01-20-2011, 10:24 AM   #110
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Good Question....

DOUGH!....still going....
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Old 01-20-2011, 10:56 AM   #111
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Old 01-20-2011, 11:28 AM   #112
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Maybe I missed it, but even if your car has Onstar and you don't want it to connect...disconnect the antenna! The car stealing recovery part usually works because car thieves don't normally have time to disconnect Onstar. But if you were going to be planning on doing stealth operations, use a different brand car that cannot be traced by Onstar, or disable the system.

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Remove the OnStar box. Problem solved!
I have friends who thank thier lucky stars for OnStar. Flipped their Trailblazer down an embankment late at night, and trapped both of them. Could have been much worse without OnStar activiated.
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There have been all kinds of incidents where automotive journalist and others were doing some 'performance' driving or testing of a vehicle on skip-pads/cones, etc. and been contacted by On-Star, they didn't "hit anything." Regardless of the reason, the recording of his voice was the evidence that sealed his fate and placed him at the scene.



He asked for an example, and this provided a perfect one "of someones OnStar history being used against them" doesn't it?
But how about an example where OnStar ratted someone out. This is the real question of privacy. In this case, did the police have to Subpoena the evidence or did OnStar just call the police out of the blue and inform on the driver? Those are completely different scenarios. One supports your privacy the other does not. With a warrant, the police can tap about whatever they want so not sure how OnStar should be somehow exempt from that.

BTW, OnStar can only "call you". If you don't answer they can't hear you.

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Rampant paranoia with a dash of big brother is out to there and trying to get you.
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Old 01-20-2011, 07:11 PM   #115
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I let a fart go the other morning before my wife got in , and she ask me if that was me and I said "no". The next thing I know onstar came on and said yes it was. Exactly 2min ago at a 25decibles and a stink factor of ten.
You had me till 25 Decibels. That would blow out your o-ring and perhaps tear a hole in the ozone layer....
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Old 01-20-2011, 07:33 PM   #116
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Rampant paranoia with a dash of big brother is out to there and trying to get you.
I hate that....Would rather have split-pea soup...*shudders*
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But Glenn Beck speaks nothing but the truth, like everyone else at Fox news ...
WRONG! They LIE all tie time! I know this because Ed Shultz said so on MSNBC!!!

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Old 01-20-2011, 08:08 PM   #118
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WRONG! They LIE all tie time! I know this because Ed Shultz said so on MSNBC!!!

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Could government make an effort to monitor people more intrusively at some point in the future? OK - yes it is possible, but lets remember to do a reality check now before we throw the OnStar baby out with the bath water.
Who needs OnStar or other "Conspiracy Theories" when we have the proof that privacy is no longer a right?

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http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...acking-device/

"Caught Spying on Student, FBI Demands GPS Tracker Back"


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"An August decision by the Ninth Circuit indicates that warrants may not be needed for placing GPS tracking devices on suspects’ cars. See U.S. v. Pineda-Moreno, 591 F.3d 1212 (9th Cir. 2010). Surprisingly, that court decided that even though the defendant’s car was within his curtilage when police placed the GPS, he had no expectation of privacy and therefore the police did not need a warrant."
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I think they're all jerks.
You may be right but it's amazing how many of them go out of their way to trash what amounts to a "competitor" and people watching them still think they are watching "journalists" reporting "news".

Ya think that maybe because these guys are competing for audience and advertisers that they might be saying things about the other guy that are not exactly honest?
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As for the "news", I don't think anyone lies. I think it's simply perspective.

For example, "A bill was passed today by congress assuring healthcare for everyone". Simple fact.

"Oh my God this is wonderful, America is saved" or "Oh my God this will bankrupt the country and give more control of our lives to the government". Which of these is reported as news is merely perspective. Now if you think that when the "perspective" you don't like is is reported in the "news" is lying, that isn't the fault of MSNBC or Fox News.

The line between entertainment and news is a fine line and getting finer.
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As for the "news", I don't think anyone lies. I think it's simply perspective.

For example, "A bill was passed today by congress assuring healthcare for everyone". Simple fact.
When you make it so simple, it even sounds like a good thing.

Sadly, getting the allowable treatment isn't the same as getting cured.
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As for the "news", I don't think anyone lies. I think it's simply perspective.

For example, "A bill was passed today by congress assuring healthcare for everyone". Simple fact.

"Oh my God this is wonderful, America is saved" or "Oh my God this will bankrupt the country and give more control of our lives to the government". Which of these is reported as news is merely perspective. Now if you think that when the "perspective" you don't like is is reported in the "news" is lying, that isn't the fault of MSNBC or Fox News.

The line between entertainment and news is a fine line and getting finer.

I agree with this in principle. However, the missing component is that most of the "perspective" isn't based on ANY facts.
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