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Old 01-18-2011, 03:46 PM   #86
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If you are speeding and you crash.... it's your fault... be ready to pay for it.

If you are using your Camaro for terrorism... then be ready to pay for it.

If you are running red lights... and get into an accident... you are responsible... pay for it.

All in all... if you are doing something illegal then be ready for the consequences. I know that if you are productive member of society then you really have nothing to worry about and OnStar is even a great help for many situations.

And if you were worried about OnStar... you might want to stay away from the INTERNET ALL TOGETHER.
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Old 01-18-2011, 04:08 PM   #87
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Apparently you missed my post directly above yours.

If the Government does get unrestricted access to Onstar data, I doubt most people will even hear about it. How many people know about CALEA? How many people threw their phones out as a result? It will be the same with Onstar.
I read it - come back and tell me about some names of people that have been caught just because of OnStar and we will have something to worry about. I am not talking about stolen cars being recovered. I want an example of someones OnStar history being used against them by law enforcement some time in the last 5 years. If you have it, bring it.

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Old 01-18-2011, 04:25 PM   #88
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I read it - come back and tell me about some names of people that have been caught just because of OnStar and we will have something to worry about. I am not talking about stolen cars being recovered. I want an example of someones OnStar history being used against them by law enforcement some time in the last 5 years. If you have it, bring it.

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If you're asking that questions, then you didn't read my post, or don't understand the point.
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Old 01-18-2011, 07:42 PM   #89
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If you are speeding and you crash.... it's your fault... be ready to pay for it.

If you are using your Camaro for terrorism... then be ready to pay for it.

If you are running red lights... and get into an accident... you are responsible... pay for it.

All in all... if you are doing something illegal then be ready for the consequences. I know that if you are productive member of society then you really have nothing to worry about and OnStar is even a great help for many situations.

And if you were worried about OnStar... you might want to stay away from the INTERNET ALL TOGETHER.
well said.
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Old 01-18-2011, 07:45 PM   #90
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Don't run red lights or use your camaro for a car bomb. problem solved.
I'm not an outlaw.
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Old 01-18-2011, 07:57 PM   #91
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Paranoid much?
It ain't paranoid if the mofo's really are reading your mail, monitoring your phone calls and following your movements. It happened to me, and the other militants in the anti-war movement of the 1970's. He wasn't called Tricky Dick Nixon for nothing, you know.:(

If your old enough to have lived those times, I suggest you request your FBI files. They are, at least partially, available under the Freedom of Information Act. You might be surprised...
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Old 01-18-2011, 08:10 PM   #92
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It ain't paranoid if the mofo's really are reading your mail, monitoring your phone calls and following your movements. It happened to me, and the other militants in the anti-war movement of the 1970's. He wasn't called Tricky Dick Nixon for nothing, you know.:(

If your old enough to have lived those times, I suggest you request your FBI files. They are, at least partially, available under the Freedom of Information Act. You might be surprised...


Seriously, what are you doing on the Internet?

If you really want to make sure nobody's watching you (even though, as already stated above, NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOU), then go sit in the middle of a forest for the rest of your life.
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Old 01-18-2011, 08:17 PM   #93
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Seriously, what are you doing on the Internet?

If you really want to make sure nobody's watching you (even though, as already stated above, NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOU), then go sit in the middle of a forest for the rest of your life.

They have eyes everywhere lol.
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Old 01-18-2011, 08:24 PM   #94
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Seriously, what are you doing on the Internet?

If you really want to make sure nobody's watching you (even though, as already stated above, NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOU), then go sit in the middle of a forest for the rest of your life.
Do YOU seriously believe that I am afraid of the Internet. It is a very useful tool to correspond with others. And a way to organize regular folk for social justice in a myriad of ways. Conspiracy theories are for the most part aberrations of mind tweaked by nonsense.
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Old 01-18-2011, 08:38 PM   #95
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Do YOU seriously believe that I am afraid of the Internet. It is a very useful tool to correspond with others. And a way to organize regular folk for social justice in a myriad of ways. Conspiracy theories are for the most part aberrations of mind tweaked by nonsense.
So you're afraid of people reading your mail and tapping your phone...but you see no problem with the Internet.

Okay.
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Old 01-18-2011, 09:01 PM   #96
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So you're afraid of people reading your mail and tapping your phone...but you see no problem with the Internet.

Okay.
Brother, would you please chill out. I am NOT afraid of anything. It seems rather unfriendly to continue a line of abuse that has already been cleared up.
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Old 01-18-2011, 10:53 PM   #97
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SOUNDS LIKE BS TO ME WHAT DO YOU THINK?
OOO! I wanna play "raise the dead thread" too!

Yep, I agree with you. Complete and utter bulls**t.

And besides, why the hell would I care about the FBI?

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Old 01-18-2011, 10:58 PM   #98
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OOO! I wanna play "raise the dead thread" too!

Yep, I agree with you. Complete and utter bulls**t.

And besides, why the hell would I care about the FBI?

Hahahaha
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Old 01-19-2011, 08:10 AM   #99
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I read it - come back and tell me about some names of people that have been caught just because of OnStar and we will have something to worry about. I am not talking about stolen cars being recovered. I want an example of someones OnStar history being used against them by law enforcement some time in the last 5 years. If you have it, bring it.

-Mark.
Well not to fuel the conspiracy fire, but as I eluded to in post #16,,,

http://www.wpbf.com/r/15651948/detail.html

Police Charge Teen In $24K In Damage To Soccer Field
POSTED: 10:12 am EDT March 20, 2008
UPDATED: 10:41 am EDT March 20, 2008

BOYNTON BEACH, Fla. -- Investigators said a Manalapan teenager was caught causing $24,800 worth of damage to a soccer field after the On-Star system in his car tipped off police that he was the culprit.

Authorities said the 17-year-old spun a 2007 GMC Denali to make "donuts" all over the soccer field at Saint Joseph's School located at 3300 S. Seacrest Blvd. in Boynton Beach on Nov.21, according to a police report.

Police used On-Star GPS records to link the teen to the scene at the time of the vandalism, according to the report.

A police subpoenae of OnStar documents revealed that the company received a "collision notification" and that an OnStar employee contacted the teen, whose voice was then recorded.

The 17-year-old is facing charges of reckless driving and criminal mischief.




So to re-iterate, the boys voice on the recording plus the GPS data was the evidence that placed him at the scene driving the car, and how they were able to bring charges against him.
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Old 01-19-2011, 08:42 AM   #100
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Just to point this out, because I don't think it had been mentioned yet. Most cars/if not all cars now a days have a black box. Same concept as with an airplanes. It records everything about the car in the case of a collision. Seatbelts, if brake was applied, speed, etc. So really onstar doesn't need to spy on us, GM is doing it already.
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So to re-iterate, the boys voice on the recording plus the GPS data was the evidence that placed him at the scene driving the car, and how they were able to bring charges against him.
Yes, but as has also been pointed out, his voice was only on the recording because he hit something (probably a goal or something similar). Its not like onstar tapped into his car to hear him whooping with glee as he tore up the field.

The police probably already had evidence that it was his dad's denali, they just supoenaed onstar for proof and to confirm the identity of the driver.
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There have been all kinds of incidents where automotive journalist and others were doing some 'performance' driving or testing of a vehicle on skip-pads/cones, etc. and been contacted by On-Star, they didn't "hit anything." Regardless of the reason, the recording of his voice was the evidence that sealed his fate and placed him at the scene.

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I want an example of someones OnStar history being used against them by law enforcement some time in the last 5 years.
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He asked for an example, and this provided a perfect one "of someones OnStar history being used against them" doesn't it?
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