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Old 08-02-2010, 04:12 PM   #1
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Adjustable sway bar setting for daily driver?

I will be ordering some adjustable sway bars but since I have no mechanical skills and won't have the ability to make sway bar adjustments myself what is the best adjustable sway bar setting to start with for a daily driver?

My thinking is start with the medium setting and ride that way until I need to take the car in for some other type of service and adjust to a different setting then.

I saw in a thread where one of the Pedders guru's suggested trying each setting for a few days and then decide which is best for you. Although this sounds like the best way to get the best feel for each setting it's not really practical for me.

I would have to take it to a shop and have this done each time and I really don't have the time or patience to do this. This is why I plan to have them adjusted to different settings when I bring it in for services which hopefully is far and few in between. Also if/when I make adjustment to my sway bars how does that affect my alignment? Would I need to do an alignment everytime I adjusted my sway bars?

So what is the best set it and forget it setting for sway bars for a daily driver that won't see any track time, just aggressive street driving, not menace to society street driving but spirited street driving indeed.

So give me your opinions about the adjustable sway bar settings from the professional stand point and from your experiences with your own sway bar settings and choices.

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Old 08-02-2010, 05:15 PM   #2
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The ZETA II chasis rides so well I can't imagine an enthisiast feeling the ride would be in any way objectionable with the bars maxed out to full hard. If you are going to set it once and forget it -- full hard and be done with it.
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Old 08-02-2010, 05:23 PM   #3
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well what are your other suspension mods and what brand are you going with?
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Old 08-02-2010, 05:28 PM   #4
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well what are your other suspension mods and what brand are you going with?
Haven't made purchase yet but just going with lowering springs and sway bars. Looking at BMR, Hotchkis, Pedders and pfadt.
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Old 08-02-2010, 05:30 PM   #5
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The ZETA II chasis rides so well I can't imagine an enthisiast feeling the ride would be in any way objectionable with the bars maxed out to full hard. If you are going to set it once and forget it -- full hard and be done with it.
What about the alignment issue. Do you have to do an alignment with each sway bar adjustment or is the alignment mainly for when you do the lowering springs and initial sway bar install?
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Old 08-02-2010, 08:16 PM   #6
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Just be sure that you are getting sway bar links with your sway bars, as the stock ones may not hold up.

Pedders sway bars are sold with end links for this reason.
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Old 08-02-2010, 08:26 PM   #7
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Just be sure that you are getting sway bar links with your sway bars, as the stock ones may not hold up.

Pedders sway bars are sold with end links for this reason.
Ok thats good to know....but do you have any answers or opinions that relate to my questions?
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Old 08-02-2010, 08:32 PM   #8
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I don't think you need to adjust the alignment and the change from medium just requires a few wrenches and about 5 mins. You could do it in your drive way. I would set it full hard and forget it.
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Old 08-02-2010, 08:38 PM   #9
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No you do not need to change your alignment if you change your sway bar setting
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Ok thats good to know....but do you have any answers or opinions that relate to my questions?
lol, sorry,

I agree with what Pete said, if you want to set them once and forget it, just set them to full stiff. You won't be stiff enough to feel uncomfortable, and it will give you the biggest bang for the labor buck.

That said, it takes literally 2 minutes per bar to change it, so if you talk to the service station that does the install for you, ask them if you wanted to make a change how much they would charge. I'd guess they would say no charge if you wanted to re-adjust it and if they did charge i'd say $20 would be fair.
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Old 08-02-2010, 08:45 PM   #11
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I don't think you need to adjust the alignment and the change from medium just requires a few wrenches and about 5 mins. You could do it in your drive way. I would set it full hard and forget it.
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Old 08-02-2010, 08:46 PM   #12
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lol, sorry,

I agree with what Pete said, if you want to set them once and forget it, just set them to full stiff. You won't be stiff enough to feel uncomfortable, and it will give you the biggest bang for the labor buck.

That said, it takes literally 2 minutes per bar to change it, so if you talk to the service station that does the install for you, ask them if you wanted to make a change how much they would charge. I'd guess they would say no charge if you wanted to re-adjust it and if they did charge i'd say $20 would be fair.
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I will be ordering some adjustable sway bars but since I have no mechanical skills and won't have the ability to make sway bar adjustments myself what is the best adjustable sway bar setting to start with for a daily driver?

My thinking is start with the medium setting and ride that way until I need to take the car in for some other type of service and adjust to a different setting then.

I saw in a thread where one of the Pedders guru's suggested trying each setting for a few days and then decide which is best for you. Although this sounds like the best way to get the best feel for each setting it's not really practical for me.

I would have to take it to a shop and have this done each time and I really don't have the time or patience to do this. This is why I plan to have them adjusted to different settings when I bring it in for services which hopefully is far and few in between. Also if/when I make adjustment to my sway bars how does that affect my alignment? Would I need to do an alignment everytime I adjusted my sway bars?

So what is the best set it and forget it setting for sway bars for a daily driver that won't see any track time, just aggressive street driving, not menace to society street driving but spirited street driving indeed.

So give me your opinions about the adjustable sway bar settings from the professional stand point and from your experiences with your own sway bar settings and choices.

Thanks
Here is my .02 and it may only be worth just that.

I say if you have no intention of adjusting your sway bars, have you thought about say Pfadt's balance bar? This is a great solution for those users whom as you described have no ability or desire to adjust the suspension, yet still gain a great level of performance.



Or if you are set on adjustable sways (which that is no issue) I would consider placing the rear end links in the middle holes here is a nice chart of Pfadt sway bar anti roll levels which may help you understand how to better set your sways bars, this may be similar for other vendors however I can not confirm.




Hope this may help, good luck and if you have any questions on products or pricing please let me know.

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Old 08-03-2010, 10:10 AM   #14
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i have the Pfadt sport suspension kit, and i couldn't be happier with how it handles and looks now.

if your looking for best bang for the buck, BMR is the way to go. if your looking for an all out race proven high quality suspension, Pedder's is the way to go. I believe Pfadt is that happy medium that is very high quality, but is budget friendly.

those are the only 3 i would buy suspension from, but it is up to you to decide which is right for you.
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Old 08-03-2010, 10:44 AM   #15
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Here is my .02 and it may only be worth just that.

I say if you have no intention of adjusting your sway bars, have you thought about say Pfadt's balance bar? This is a great solution for those users whom as you described have no ability or desire to adjust the suspension, yet still gain a great level of performance.



Or if you are set on adjustable sways (which that is no issue) I would consider placing the rear end links in the middle holes here is a nice chart of Pfadt sway bar anti roll levels which may help you understand how to better set your sways bars, this may be similar for other vendors however I can not confirm.




Hope this may help, good luck and if you have any questions on products or pricing please let me know.

Regards

Wow this is spot on! As you can see in the above chart, we have swaybar solutions for all performance goals: from set it and forget it (rear balance bar), to the full-on race bars that are used on real race Camaros. I won't repeat the info above, but for the cost, and your goals, it sounds like you will be interested in the Rear Balance Bar, or the Sport Bars wit the rear bar on the middle setting.

Thanks Brandon!
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Old 08-03-2010, 10:54 AM   #16
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What about the alignment issue. Do you have to do an alignment with each sway bar adjustment or is the alignment mainly for when you do the lowering springs and initial sway bar install?
No you do not need an alignment when you change sway bar settings. What is commonly overlooked when changing sway bar settings are the nuts. The nuts used on sway bar endlinks usually have a certain amount of quench (resistance) designed in. The quench is intended to prevent the nut from coming loose. A Nyloc nut may be used for the same reason. Each time you remove a fastener of this style you lose some of the quench. Put another way, the nut may come loose if it is not replaced. Most people do not replace these nuts. I can tell you I don't always replace them on my own car under the assumption that I'll be changing it again becaue of what I do for a living. That doesn't make it right. Changing the nuts when you change settings is really cheap insurance, especially if it may be the final adjustment.

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Old 08-03-2010, 11:35 AM   #17
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We run ours on full stiff and ride quality is only minimally effected. I actually prefer the feel of the car on the stiff setting because it gives you a better sense of control without altering the ride quality. That being said even our softest setting is 2x the rate of the OE bars and makes a world of difference in the way the car handles.

Changing the rates is a very simple procedure but I can understand if you don't have the facilities to do it yourself. If you do and are just not sure of your capabilities, I will explain the procedure in a nutshell. All you need our drive-on ramps or a jack with stands (ramps are much faster, I like the Race Ramps), 15mm wrench and 6mm Allen wrench. Once the car is safely supported, loosen the nuts on the swaybar end links (It may require the Allen wrench to prevent the stud from spinning while you loosen the nut). Once both end links are unbolted you simply rotate the bar until the end links line up with the holes you intend to use. Insert the end link, tighten the nuts and lower the car. It could easily be done front and rear in 30-45 minutes with ramps.
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