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Old 08-02-2010, 03:46 PM   #1
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BOLT ON UPGRADE'S . . . HOW TO . . . ( PLEASE HELP )

Ok guy's ,

I had my car for a while now and because my family dont like my camaro i never use it.

I hade my car for one year now and only have 3,000 mile's.

Out of bordness i decided to start upgrading .

Please keep in mine im a slow kind of person and would like to take step by step.

I would like to do all the bolt ons one by one ,

BUT DONT NO WHERE TO START !



  • 1. I just got a max energy for my l99 , what is the step by step
  • to get the gains hypertech is claiming ,are these gains on a stock
  • car or at that are they real ?



After i figure out how to tune the programmer for maxium gain i am going to buy the axle back borla atak setup



  • 2. i understand the resonator issue with the l99 , but im gonna put on high flow cats & xpipe later.



Is there any other reason why i should not go with the axle back , i have the programmer & im gonna put the xpipe with hfc's .




Once i get the hfc & xpipe installed im gonna put on a cai

  • 3. who makes the best intake & should i get one of does air sensor upgrade's ?


  • 4. after that im gonna put in long headers.
  • 5 . from there im gonna sell my hypertech and do a custome tune
  • 6. turbo , supercharge , nitro , what will be best as far as hp , price , safety .
  • & can i combo any of them like a turbo with nitro



Please let me know if i should do something different or if i got this down the right path.

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sell the hypertech NOW! your not going to gain anything with it on a stock car.

do not buy an aftermarket MAF sensor, they are worthless!

intake and exhaust should be your first 2 mods.
if you plan to do headers, buy a cat-back instead of axle back, easier to install and more hp gain; unless you plan on getting the ARH headers, cats, & x-pipe kit.
Jannetty Racing is doing a intake comparison, once those results are out choose the intake you like.

find the headers & cats you like that bolt into the stock exhaust location (Kooks or ARH short kit)

you need to do the tune at the same time as the headers. all your other mods do not NEED a tune, but the headers do!
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i would do the cold air intake and headers first along with a tune.
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I would also suggest you do the CAI and a cat-back exhaust FIRST...
Then for the next round of upgrades I would do some type of headers with a tune.

That seems to be the best route with thse cars and you will nto be throwing any money away.
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Cold Air Kit
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Tune

This package typically makes 415RWHP on our Dyno. Best bang for the buck.

Sounds good even with the rest of the stock exhaust.
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Cold Air Kit
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This package typically makes 415RWHP on our Dyno. Best bang for the buck.

Sounds good even with the rest of the stock exhaust.
same setup except i removed the cats and have a catback system and made the same power along with an underdrive pulley
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same setup except i removed the cats and have a catback system and made the same power along with an underdrive pulley

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Why would YOU not drive YOUR car because your family doesn't like it??
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sell the hypertech NOW! your not going to gain anything with it on a stock car.
I have to disagree. The hypertech will definitely give you decent gains on a stock or near stock car. It's when you have plans to do bigger upgrades, that you don't need the hypertech. I know that the Hypertech is tuned very well, but also very safe. It's tuned so that ANYONE around the world can install it and get decent gains. No it's not on the edge, as some would like though. That's not why you buy a Hypertech. You buy a Hypertech if you want to install it, get decent gains, not worry about blowing up your car, or get CEL's. If you want the edge, you get a custom dyno tune or mailorder tune, for your particular mods.
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I have to disagree. The hypertech will definitely give you decent gains on a stock or near stock car. It's when you have plans to do bigger upgrades, that you don't need the hypertech. I know that the Hypertech is tuned very well, but also very safe. It's tuned so that ANYONE around the world can install it and get decent gains. No it's not on the edge, as some would like though. That's not why you buy a Hypertech. You buy a Hypertech if you want to install it, get decent gains, not worry about blowing up your car, or get CEL's. If you want the edge, you get a custom dyno tune or mailorder tune, for your particular mods.

... For the cost of a little more than the Hypercrap, you can get a dyno/street tune which will give you 1. Way better performance. 2. Proven results of your car and 3. Just as safe, if not safer, or a tune.

I think that is why the other guy is implying the Hypercrap is garbage, just did not elaborate enough.
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... For the cost of a little more than the Hypercrap, you can get a dyno/street tune which will give you 1. Way better performance. 2. Proven results of your car and 3. Just as safe, if not safer, or a tune.

I think that is why the other guy is implying the Hypercrap is garbage, just did not elaborate enough.
He didn't say Hypertech was garbage, he said you don't gain anything on a stock or near stock car. This is totally false. It's made for a car that is stock or near stock. That was my point. If you don't like HT, that's you're perogative. Just stating that his information was incorrect.

Care to prove your opinion though? So you're saying that HT doesn't dyno test their tunes to make sure you're getting the gains? You're also implying that HT doesn't make their tunes safe for all situations? How can you get "safer" than that? If a shop is dyno tuning your car safer than the HT, they are leaving a LOT of HP on the table. If you actually read my post, you'd notice that that I said HT isn't for everyone. Many on this site want to have their car tuned for their specific mods and tuned for maximum HP/Tq. Many have more mods than the HT can properly adjust for to give maximum gains.

For the cost of your dyno tune, do you also get a 87 octane tune that is pretty damn close to the OEM tune, as far as performance? Can you easily switch back to the OEM tune, if needed?
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Old 08-04-2010, 01:37 PM   #12
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Does Anybody Have These Answers . . . .?

1. i do not drive my car because i dont go anywhere with out my family i guess im a family man & since they dont like it just because they are un-comfortible or what not we dont drive it.

2. i dont mean to be rude but i still got no detail answers just alot of different broad answers.

3.as of right now im gonna keep the hyper tech max energy so what is the proper way to tune it to get the gains hp claims ?

4.if im gonna buy the axle back b-atak system and then changes the cats & put on the x-pipe why do i need the buy a catback system ?

5.should i just remove the cats or get the high flow cats , im looking for gain more than sound.
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No taker"s huh.
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i just saw your from cali. you might want to see what you can legally do their first before we give you advice. i'm thinking shorty headers are the way for you to go with high flow cats. i would do a catback over the axle back. check the price difference between the 2 along with an x-pipe for the axle back.
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1. i do not drive my car because i dont go anywhere with out my family i guess im a family man & since they dont like it just because they are un-comfortible or what not we dont drive it.

2. i dont mean to be rude but i still got no detail answers just alot of different broad answers.

3.as of right now im gonna keep the hyper tech max energy so what is the proper way to tune it to get the gains hp claims ?

4.if im gonna buy the axle back b-atak system and then changes the cats & put on the x-pipe why do i need the buy a catback system ?

5.should i just remove the cats or get the high flow cats , im looking for gain more than sound.
a cat-back does not come with catalytic converters. it is the pipes that goes from the cats to the tips. buying a full cat-back first is the way to go performance wise. once you have the money, then you can buy just the headers and high flow cats, no need to buy a header kit with an x-pipe. plus an axle-back requires you to cut up your stock exhaust which a lot of people do not like to do, by buying a cat-back all you gotta do is unbolt the stock exhaust from the cat, lower the entire one piece system down, and slide it out. its a little more work but you save your stock system and you get rid of the restrictive mid pipes that an axle back can't get rid of.

with the hypertech, all you gotta do is plug it into the OBD-II port and load the tune, you don't need to adjust anything unless you've changed your wheels/tires. keep in mind that programmer will be useless once you get headers. you will need a dyno tune, or a custom mail order tune once you get the headers or else you'll get a check engine light. and i do not think the hypertech allows custom tune files like diablosport or sct programmers do.

your going to want to keep your cats, especially in california. but if you get long tube headers your already driving illegal over there since no header is CARB exempt. shorty headers and high flow cats is the best you can do to stay legal.
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You can still be a family man and drive your Camaro without your family. They don't have to be with you 24/7. Everyone needs their OWN time. Take it out for a cruise by yourself and have some bonding time with your Camaro.
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You can still be a family man and drive your Camaro without your family. They don't have to be with you 24/7. Everyone needs their OWN time. Take it out for a cruise by yourself and have some bonding time with your Camaro.
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Thanks red jewel ,

You gave me a ton of good info that I did not know

But if I get an axle back system and put a x pipe down the road at a later time will that be considered a catback ?
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Ok, you mentioned, twice, that you don't drive the car, yet you are going to spend Thou$ands of $ modding it? Doesn't make sense to me - not that it needs to though...just curious
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look at the bolt-on V8 section in this forum, plenty of info there to help you get started. But if you're not going to drive it, what's the point?
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Thanks red jewel ,

You gave me a ton of good info that I did not know

But if I get an axle back system and put a x pipe down the road at a later time will that be considered a catback ?
depends on what x-pipe you are talking about.

you can buy the borla axle back then later down the road, call Borla and ask them to send you the mid pipes that contains the x-pipe. i don't think they sell them separately, and it is probably cheaper if you buy it all at once. the Atak exhaust isn't cheap! this would be the best scenario for doing it in different stages.

IMO if your installing an axle back, then going in and putting an x-pipe like the edelbrock x pipe, it will look like a hack job under there. think of it this way:
stock exhaust manifold connected to stock cats connected to about 2 ft of stock pipe connected to the x-pipe connected to another 2 ft of stock pipe connected to the axle back exhaust. chances are when you mix match after market parts, they are not going to want to line up properly giving you a headache because your having to chop up the stock system and use part of it to complete the exhaust.

also if you do that, say good bye to any chance of putting the stock system back on for any reason down the road... it would be in several pieces!
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Care to prove your opinion though? So you're saying that HT doesn't dyno test their tunes to make sure you're getting the gains? You're also implying that HT doesn't make their tunes safe for all situations? How can you get "safer" than that? If a shop is dyno tuning your car safer than the HT, they are leaving a LOT of HP on the table. If you actually read my post, you'd notice that that I said HT isn't for everyone. Many on this site want to have their car tuned for their specific mods and tuned for maximum HP/Tq. Many have more mods than the HT can properly adjust for to give maximum gains.

For the cost of your dyno tune, do you also get a 87 octane tune that is pretty damn close to the OEM tune, as far as performance? Can you easily switch back to the OEM tune, if needed?
None of the things claim I'm saying I actually said.... so please go back and reread.

1. I never said hyperjunk didn't dyno test any of their cars. I can't prove or disprove that, but it isn't relevant. A dyno tune done by a reputable tuner will provide you with dyno results for YOUR car in conditions for your area. This is more realistic and accurate than hypercrap slapping a dyno sheet on their box and saying, "HERE IS WHAT YOU'LL GAIN!". You know nothing about the car on that dyno sheet, they can say whatever they want.

2. I never said hypercrap wasn't safe. I said a dyno tune was just as safe AND provides better gains. A dyno tuner will target the optimum AFR for YOUR car in that situation. Hyperjunk is just using a generic program and applying it to all cars. So if your car even has one bolt on, it is already not suitable for that program.

3. Your comments about 87 tune are irrelevant. Who on earth would switch back and forth between 87 and 93/91? No dealer, car enthusiast, mechanic, or tuner would recommend that. The LS3 and the L99 are designed for higher grade fuel due to their compression ratio, end of discussion.
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Ok guy's ,
Out of bordness i decided to start upgrading .

Please keep in mine im a slow kind of person and would like to take step by step.
I think out of "bordness" you are pulling our legs ....
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1 the reason I want to spend 1000s for upgrades is simple , since I don't use my car as a Dailey driver I want to build it slowly because it's fun , then take it too the track twice a month.

2. I am not pulling anyones legs , I know a little as far as basics go but just wanted some better more detail info.

I called Borla and they said if I just order the axle back the only thing that I will be missing is the xpipe , with that said I can get a xpipe for 200 and have a Mix match cat back if you will, save like 400-500 and get to take my time in the mean while.


Witch is great because I can here the difference x pipe or no xpipe , I can see if there is better track times and what not.
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