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Old 08-04-2010, 06:26 AM   #251
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I know this mount sound obvious, but what is the difference between the SS and the Z28. I understand it's supercharged and I can see that the front bumper and the decals are different, but it that all?
Aren't they going to change the hood scoop and spoiler like the old ones?
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Old 08-04-2010, 06:44 AM   #252
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My guess is that they probably threw the SS hood on there to save some time in construction so they could get out and test the drivetrain, etc.

I would be really surprised to see a Z28 with the SS hood and stock spoiler.
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Old 08-04-2010, 08:13 AM   #253
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I am hoping the Z/28 is coming. They need to have the vents in the front fenders like they had from 1978 to 1981. To me it looks like the badges say camaro on the side. if you look hard enough you can see the R and O imprinted on the tape.
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Old 08-04-2010, 08:30 AM   #254
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now i could be wrong but could the new bumblebee be a z28 or what? because if you look at the pics they look the same.

i know its hard to tell
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Old 08-04-2010, 09:16 AM   #255
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just think we could be dining on shelbys in a stock Camaro next year
It's nice to know that Ford already has all the hardware, carb certifications, and durability testing done to slap the 2.3L TVS onto the GT500 and send it out the door as the factory blower at 650HP and its easily upgraded.
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Old 08-04-2010, 09:20 AM   #256
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Like the ZR1 This test mule needs a name... I say Red Devil!
NOOOOOO! That is what I'm naming my car

Besides, Pedders already took that from me
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Old 08-04-2010, 09:30 AM   #257
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kaneda,

I agree. But, the GT500, in my opinion, has already crossed that price point where buyers, such as me, expect much more than just power. I have a 2011 GT and it is identical to the GT500, except for the powertrain and some suspension components. And, it was $15-20K less. I seriously considerd the GT500. However, one thing I expect for $50K and greater is much more refinement and not having to deal with stupid issues (like the clutch issue) at the dealer level. I love my Mustang for waht it is, an American pony car that doesn't need a ton of refinement to be enjoyable. However, if I'm spending more than $50K, I want refinement and better service. That is what you get at Audit, Porsche, etc. dealers.

I guess my point is that both Ford and Chevy are in danger of pricing themselves out of the market with the GT500 and possibly the Z-28. I can get raw power out of a modified standard GT or SS Camaro and for less overall money. If I wasnt to spend big bucks on a car, I'm going upscale.
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Old 08-04-2010, 09:44 AM   #258
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we're all looking one way..

We're all talking supercharged z/28...is there any chance they would go old school and go 7.0L z/06 505hp instead? I mean thats not out of the question is it?

The new SRT-Chally is upping displacement to 6.4 and saying to hell with the supercharger...and these three are 'old school/new school muscle'...Ford just puts the blower on theirs b/c they dont have the cubes to make the hp they need

I for one would think its pretty sweet if the z/28 was 7.0ish, made 505-550 hp and NA. It also would keep price a little lower if you're using a LS7 derived powertrain as opposed to LS9... maybe


just throwing an idea out...
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Old 08-04-2010, 10:01 AM   #259
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We're all talking supercharged z/28...is there any chance they would go old school and go 7.0L z/06 505hp instead? I mean thats not out of the question is it?

The new SRT-Chally is upping displacement to 6.4 and saying to hell with the supercharger...and these three are 'old school/new school muscle'...Ford just puts the blower on theirs b/c they dont have the cubes to make the hp they need

I for one would think its pretty sweet if the z/28 was 7.0ish, made 505-550 hp and NA. It also would keep price a little lower if you're using a LS7 derived powertrain as opposed to LS9... maybe


just throwing an idea out...

as with all things the ls7 is ending production soon. besides why limit yourself with the ls7? slap a big enough shot of nitrous or a ton of boost and bam what motor?
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It's nice to know that Ford already has all the hardware, carb certifications, and durability testing done to slap the 2.3L TVS onto the GT500 and send it out the door as the factory blower at 650HP and its easily upgraded.
and you assume they will? also they don't warranty their engines as long as GM does. so their durability tests can last shorter. by slapping on a blower that pushes more air that will shorten the life of the engine no matter how you look at it. the real point is why would they if they can get some poor sap to part ways with more money?

and who's to say GM won't offer something of the like for the camaro?
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Old 08-04-2010, 10:14 AM   #261
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It's nice to know that Ford already has all the hardware, carb certifications, and durability testing done to slap the 2.3L TVS onto the GT500 and send it out the door as the factory blower at 650HP and its easily upgraded.
wow if that is true.
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Old 08-04-2010, 10:14 AM   #262
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and you assume they will? also they don't warranty their engines as long as GM does. so their durability tests can last shorter. by slapping on a blower that pushes more air that will shorten the life of the engine no matter how you look at it. the real point is why would they if they can get some poor sap to part ways with more money?

and who's to say GM won't offer something of the like for the camaro?
650hp on that DOHC 5.4 is nothing. The car would still last well beyond 100k.
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Old 08-04-2010, 10:38 AM   #263
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650hp on that DOHC 5.4 is nothing. The car would still last well beyond 100k.
For all intents and purposes that 5.4 is supposed to be just ridiculous in the good way a motor should be.

So I agree.

I must also admit I like the 2011 GT 500's nav system... I wish they'd put something like that in the Camaro. Right now based on the way the interior/dash is done they can't though. :(

Also... stupid Onstar. I hate the added bulk of the mirror.

On a different note, I am hard pressed to believe that fully optioned out the Z will break 50. My gut says it will be close (49-49.5) but I don't think it will break the 50 barrier. It doesn't make sense.
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Old 08-04-2010, 10:39 AM   #264
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as with all things the ls7 is ending production soon. besides why limit yourself with the ls7? slap a big enough shot of nitrous or a ton of boost and bam what motor?
isnt that true for all motors?
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isnt that true for all motors?
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Old 08-04-2010, 11:06 AM   #266
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Until then, enjoy the ride in whatever car you desire and hope that the Mayan's were wrong with their 2012 world ending prediction.
That, or the Mayans predicted the return of the Z/28 as the 'End of the World.

..An 'End of the World' in the form of a giant vehicular slaughter on the world's roadways.

The new 2012 Armageddon. From Chevrolet.

Holy crap.. that could also work for the mule name! Z/28 Mule aka "Armageddon".
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Old 08-04-2010, 11:10 AM   #268
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...And lastly, I highly doubt that this mule represents the final look of the car. If it looks like Bumblee from TF3, I will buy one immediately.

Gotta agree with this one. It is a fine looking ride for sure!
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On a different note, I am hard pressed to believe that fully optioned out the Z will break 50. My gut says it will be close (49-49.5) but I don't think it will break the 50 barrier. It doesn't make sense.
And a fully optioned out SS with the 21" wheels breaking 40 does?

The GT500 already busts right through 50 when optioned out (with the SVT pack, navigation, etc).

Its unreasonable to expect any different from the Z
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...And if the SRT8 is pushing the same with that podunk block under it's hood Chrysler better be looking into something like a 7.2L 440.

Already got the Gas Guzzler tax comining on all three; so lets make this a Nuclear war.
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...And if the SRT8 is pushing the same with that podunk block under it's hood Chrysler better be looking into something like a 7.5L 440.

Already got the Gas Guzzler tax comining on all three; so lets make this a Nuclear war.
No GG on the 2011 GT500. SRT supposed to get a 6.4L 480-500 HP/TQ motor.
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and you assume they will? also they don't warranty their engines as long as GM does. so their durability tests can last shorter.
You do understand that it doesn't actually work like that? Ford has some of the toughest engine durability standards in the industry. As for longer warranties, ever known anybody who owned a Northstar-powered Cadillac? We used to call them the 100k mile hand grenade because, at 100k, it was virtually like pulling a pin on one of the old pienapples, they almost always blow in short order.

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by slapping on a blower that pushes more air that will shorten the life of the engine no matter how you look at it. the real point is why would they if they can get some poor sap to part ways with more money?
Again, it doesn't work like that. The TVS makes superior power relative to the traditional rootes blower because of increased efficiency at a given level of boost. That means more power with less heat, and less heat always means superior engine life all else being equal.
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Again, it doesn't work like that. The TVS makes superior power relative to the traditional rootes blower because of increased efficiency at a given level of boost. That means more power with less heat, and less heat always means superior engine life all else being equal.
So what you are saying, in the same engine boost is boost? No matter how much horsepower you are pushing (depending on the flow of the heads). An engine making 700hp with 9lb's of boost, and one making 625 with 9lb's of boost, will have the same reliability in the end?
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