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Old 08-03-2010, 11:05 AM   #51
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The front brakes appear to be the CTS-V brakes?

How much to you think it weighs? 4,000 or more?

Do you think GM will price it below a Corvette and have it outhandle and out accelerate a Corvette? The 2011 GT500 with the SVT suspension as the pictured car has will indeed run with a base Vette. for me is doesn't matter I have kids and can't consider a Corvette. But if I just paid 60k for my new Grand Sport and a 50k Camaro beat me up at the track I would be pissed.
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Old 08-03-2010, 11:07 AM   #52
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I may just wait now and get this bad boy.
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Old 08-03-2010, 11:12 AM   #53
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I'm looking at this from a different perspective, please don't flame me...I'm not trying to stir the pot.
My feelings are that this car may not be the Z/28, it maybe a 'monster' version of the SS. I don't quite believe that GM will go the supercharger route for the Z/28...I'm still thinking we will see a different motor in the Z/28, not just a supercharged version of a current offering in the camaro. That's my .02¢, and i'm stickin to it!
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Old 08-03-2010, 11:13 AM   #54
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BTW thats a '11 GT500 and not a '10 GT500 as the OP said
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Old 08-03-2010, 11:15 AM   #55
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I'm looking at this from a different perspective, please don't flame me...I'm not trying to stir the pot.
My feelings are that this car may not be the Z/28, it maybe a 'monster' version of the SS. I don't quite believe that GM will go the supercharger route for the Z/28...I'm still thinking we will see a different motor in the Z/28, not just a supercharged version of a current offering in the camaro. That's my .02¢, and i'm stickin to it!
Well its time to get 'un-stuck' from your opinion because there have been spy photos of a mule with '6.2 supercharged V8' written on the dash
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Old 08-03-2010, 11:17 AM   #56
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Does anyone know the photographer? Tell him to get some sound clips next time .

I honestly can't wait to see this thing .
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Old 08-03-2010, 11:17 AM   #57
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3rd pic down looks like 'Hannibal'or the Road Warrior bad guy leader..insane, baby!
..can make out the Z28 badge on the rear, supercharged on the fender, but I wonder where the 'camaro' logo will be?
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Old 08-03-2010, 11:25 AM   #58
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Beautiful pictures Chris Doane/Brenda Priddy and Co. How did you get them?
That is excellent work!
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Old 08-03-2010, 11:27 AM   #59
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[FONT=Arial][SIZE=4]As reported on CAMARO5 HOMEPAGE.

Here are the newest photos of the Camaro Z28 test mule being tested and directly evaluated against a Mustang GT500.

GM is making no secret of the benchmark they are attempting to clear -- the 2010 Ford Mustang GT500. This should help put to rest some doubts as to whether this test mule is indeed the range topping Camaro Z28 model
That's a 2011 I believe which makes the news even better
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Old 08-03-2010, 11:29 AM   #60
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Dealerships don't have any information on the Z28 yet. It's all just rumors and speculation for now. The most info is what you are seeing posted on Camaro5.com

Sure looks to me like it says Supercharged on the fender emblem
no, im pretty sure it says Camaro, looks odd all covered up like that but if you stare at it for a second you'll see it. i was trying to pick out the letters in "supercharged" but ended up seeing more of what appears to be "Camaro."

don't know why it would be covered up though unless it says Z-28 in there somewhere
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Old 08-03-2010, 11:39 AM   #61
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Old 08-03-2010, 11:46 AM   #62
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no, im pretty sure it says Camaro, looks odd all covered up like that but if you stare at it for a second you'll see it. i was trying to pick out the letters in "supercharged" but ended up seeing more of what appears to be "Camaro."

don't know why it would be covered up though unless it says Z-28 in there somewhere

Agreed, definitely looks like "CAMARO" to me too
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Old 08-03-2010, 11:48 AM   #63
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I wish they could get a picture going around a turn with some ever so slight body roll so we might get the chance to see if there is mag ride in this thing!
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Old 08-03-2010, 11:49 AM   #64
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The last 3 letters on that side badge look like it says ASC... Automatic Super Charged maybe? These might be test model designators rather than production badges.

I like the fact that these pictures show the testing is on a road course rather than 1/4 mile which pretty much says this is a Z/28 prototype.

If they can bring this thing in at $39,995 base price it will be killer.
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Old 08-03-2010, 11:50 AM   #65
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People on here just TRY and read to much into stuff. I am surprised nobody has said anything about the rounded side markers. That would throw off the lines.
The side markers aren't round, look at the ones on the rear fender.

The car simply looks like a non RS test model (except for the front facia
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I hope that's a 2011 GT500 and not a 2010. . . would be somewhat counterproductive to test against the 2010. This is great. I love the idea of two monstrous muscle cars taking on the world. I've said it before in previous threads, but I see this little duo ending in a "gentlemen's agreement" similar to what happened between subaru/nissan/mitsu in japan years ago. Both the blown ls3 (or lsa, depending on which route they choose) and the 5.4 (especially the 5.4) have limits that are way above safe power for the average consumer and it is far too easy for GM and Ford to keep bumping power back and forth to top each other. At the same time, I would love to see 700hp production mustangs and camaros. It would just lead to too many deaths.
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It is a 2011. GM would not test the car against the 2010. It has the SVT performance package also.
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:04 PM   #68
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Ohhhh yeahhh, ive been waiting for this for a looong time haha. Even when everyone said "face facts, the Z28 was just a rumor, its not happening, especially this day in age" yeah whatever, and i guess the LS7 is dead too huh? Again, another false rumor set straight by a GM rep LOL.

Well enough of that, anyways, im thinking the Z28 will in fact be a better performer than the base Vette while still being cheaper. Why? How would that ever work? Well ask yourself, how many people have you ever known to buy a Corvette just for the performance? You dont buy Vettes for performance alone you buy them for the legendary legacy and the awe-factor of just being able to say "yeah, i own a Vette" or showing up in a parking lot with a Vette and watching everyone gawk. Corvette enthusiests will still buy Vettes even though they're worse performers and more expensive just because they're Vette enthusiests and now Camaro enthusiests. They're a seperate breed of person. Besides, hopefully by the time this Z28 comes out the new Stingray prototype will be in production ^_^

As far as the front fascia and emblems being covered, well obviously GM isnt being quiet about their new toy by any means haha, but im willing to bet its just corporate necessity crap. Like even though they're not afraid to let people watch the testing, take pictures, and even say to them "yes! this is indeed a superchargedZ28!" its still standard protocol to cover those bits for testing.
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:05 PM   #69
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Isn't that a 2011 GT500? Those appear to be the skinnier stripes appear to be from the SVT Performance Package.
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A few points/questions:

1. I assume that GM's target is the 2011 GT 500--not the 2010. Also, I hope they are benchmarking the GT500 as equipped with the performance package (whatever Ford calls it). Is anyone familiar enough with the GT500 to be able to tell which model year is shown in the photos and whether it has the performance package?

2.GM needs to assume that Ford will increase the GT500's HP before or shortly after the Z28 is released. A HP war in inevitable (and wonderful) BUT GM needs to make sure that the LSA in the Z28 can handle upgrades (forged pistons?).

3. Regarding handling, GM should not focus on maximum grip; instead they should focus on maximum FUN. No one really cares (or should care) about a skidpad number. People want the Z28 to be fun and thrilling to drive.

4. GM must make sure that the Z28 convertible is stiff and rigid and not a quivering mess like the Mustang convertible. Just equaling the Mustang on this criterion would mean failure. The Camaro convertible must be clearly superior in structural rigidity.

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A few points/questions:

1. I assume that GM's target is the 2011 GT 500--not the 2010. Also, I hope they are benchmarking the GT500 as equipped with the performance package (whatever Ford calls it). Is anyone familiar enough with the GT500 to be able to tell which model year is shown in the photos and whether it has the performance package?

2.GM needs to assume that Ford will increase the GT500's HP before or shortly after the Z28 is released. A HP war in inevitable (and wonderful) BUT GM needs to make sure that the LSA in the Z28 can handle upgrades (forged pistons?).

3. Regarding handling, GM should not focus on maximum grip; instead they should focus on maximum FUN. No one really cares (or should care) about a skidpad number. People want the Z28 to be fun and thrilling to drive.

4. GM must make sure that the Z28 convertible is stiff and rigid and not a quivering mess like the Mustang convertible. Just equaling the Mustang on this criterion would mean failure. The Camaro convertible must be clearly superior in structural rigidity.

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It is a 2011 GT500 with the SVT performance package.

I agree on the Forged Pistons.
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:07 PM   #72
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im so freakin excited for this!!! not that ill be able to afford one, i just want a top-dog camaro to go against the gt500. WOOT!!!
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Yes that's the SVT packaged car. Look at the stripes smaller and closer together
means SVT package. Some guys do stripe delete because they want SVT but don't like the new stripes.
AH! Thanks. I didn't know those points

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The front brakes appear to be the CTS-V brakes?

How much to you think it weighs? 4,000 or more?

Do you think GM will price it below a Corvette and have it outhandle and out accelerate a Corvette? The 2011 GT500 with the SVT suspension as the pictured car has will indeed run with a base Vette. for me is doesn't matter I have kids and can't consider a Corvette. But if I just paid 60k for my new Grand Sport and a 50k Camaro beat me up at the track I would be pissed.
I think it could step on the base 'Vettes toes - it'd be nice to give GS a run for it's money, but as much as I'd like to see it nip at Z06, I really doubt it. I'd love to be suprised though. It stinks for people like you that have already put that money down, but I'm sure you knew there were faster cars out there. Still - there's a fair amount of details Z28 would have to overcome for a GS owner to get too worried

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The last 3 letters on that side badge look like it says ASC... Automatic Super Charged maybe? These might be test model designators rather than production badges.

I like the fact that these pictures show the testing is on a road course rather than 1/4 mile which pretty much says this is a Z/28 prototype.

If they can bring this thing in at $39,995 base price it will be killer.
If they bring the price that low for a LSA'd Z28 with great handling I'll eat a GT500

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I hope that's a 2011 GT500 and not a 2010. . . would be somewhat counterproductive to test against the 2010. This is great. I love the idea of two monstrous muscle cars taking on the world. I've said it before in previous threads, but I see this little duo ending in a "gentlemen's agreement" similar to what happened between subaru/nissan/mitsu in japan years ago. Both the blown ls3 (or lsa, depending on which route they choose) and the 5.4 (especially the 5.4) have limits that are way above safe power for the average consumer and it is far too easy for GM and Ford to keep bumping power back and forth to top each other. At the same time, I would love to see 700hp production mustangs and camaros. It would just lead to too many deaths.
How much is too much? I know where I'd like to get but even that's probably too much for most people. Shoot - most people can't drive SUVs responsibly, let alone a 426 horse' SS or 550 horse' GT500. To think these numbers can get closer to 600 in the next couple years just amazes me. There are enough nannies on these cars to keep them relatively safe, so I'm not too worried. I know that I won't be turning the traction control off every time I get in the car like I used to in my '02, lol!

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It is a 2011. GM would not test the car against the 2010. It has the SVT performance package also.
I hope everyone is right. I'm sure GM's not foolish, though
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AH! Thanks. I didn't know those points
Wow! I commend you for reading posts that far back. I didn't think anyone did that.
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LOL
READ PEOPLE! REEEAAAADDDDDDD!!!
Lemme just get it out of your system now
"what year is that GT500?"
"is that a 2010 Mustang?"
"That looks like a 2011 right?"
"GM SHOULD test against a 2011"
"is that an SVT?"

XD
mkay are we all good now?
2011 GT500 w/ SVT performance package, lets get over the hump now lmao
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