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Old 08-03-2010, 12:20 PM   #76
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A few points/questions:

1. I assume that GM's target is the 2011 GT 500--not the 2010. Also, I hope they are benchmarking the GT500 as equipped with the performance package (whatever Ford calls it). Is anyone familiar enough with the GT500 to be able to tell which model year is shown in the photos and whether it has the performance package?

2.GM needs to assume that Ford will increase the GT500's HP before or shortly after the Z28 is released. A HP war in inevitable (and wonderful) BUT GM needs to make sure that the LSA in the Z28 can handle upgrades (forged pistons?).

3. Regarding handling, GM should not focus on maximum grip; instead they should focus on maximum FUN. No one really cares (or should care) about a skidpad number. People want the Z28 to be fun and thrilling to drive.

4. GM must make sure that the Z28 convertible is stiff and rigid and not a quivering mess like the Mustang convertible. Just equaling the Mustang on this criterion would mean failure. The Camaro convertible must be clearly superior in structural rigidity.

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On almost all of your points

I've been saying all along I hope they benchmark the GT500, because I can only see that thing increase in power and performance. I'm not sure how much better, if any, the handling can improve, but I never thought Ford could do so well the the SRA, so what do I know, lol? I believe too many people are discounting the whole non-forged pistons-thing in LSA, but I really think there's more potential than many people give credit for. I won't argue it matches the GT500 in potential, but if people like Uncle Robin has had as good a luck with his LSA and power, I think most people will be pretty happy.

I DO think skidpad numbers and all the other empiricals are important selling points. Why did Ford fire back with a better tune for their new diesels after GM announced their diesel numbers? I don't know if there are cross-shoppers in this specific market, but the better numbers, the better sales, IMVHO. It ABSOLUTELY should be fun to drive though, without a doubt

It seems like GM's already started with a great foundation for the coupe on the ZETA II chassis, however, chopping the top off will have it's consequences... I'm sure they'll give it it's due attention though.

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It is a 2011 GT500 with the SVT performance package.

I agree on the Forged Pistons.
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im so freakin excited for this!!! not that ill be able to afford one, i just want a top-dog camaro to go against the gt500. WOOT!!!
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:21 PM   #77
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This chevy is going to be a REMARKABLE CAR. Bet the house on it. Ford will then try to raise the bar as well. Either way we the consumers win. I assume the Camaro will be superior the first year or two. Should be interesting.
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:22 PM   #78
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This chevy is going to be a REMARKABLE CAR. Bet the house on it. Ford will then try to raise the bar as well. Either way we the consumers win. I assume the Camaro will be superior the first year or two. Should be interesting.
I see the Z28 being superior the first year. And Ford answering the year after.
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:23 PM   #79
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Wow! I commend you for reading posts that far back. I didn't think anyone did that.
I try. I usually don't miss much Z28 news

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LOL
READ PEOPLE! REEEAAAADDDDDDD!!!
Lemme just get it out of your system now
"what year is that GT500?"
"is that a 2010 Mustang?"
"That looks like a 2011 right?"
"GM SHOULD test against a 2011"
"is that an SVT?"

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mkay are we all good now?
2011 GT500 w/ SVT performance package, lets get over the hump now lmao
Crystal clear here!

Does it have the Track Pack?... j/k
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:24 PM   #80
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I see the Z28 being superior the first year. And Ford answering the year after.
And back and forth and back and forth
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:28 PM   #81
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Im curious to see how the IRS makes a difference against the SRA, Ford guys go on and on about how the GT500 is better than the SS and has that solid axle, im anxious to see what handling differences the IRS makes when the solid axle is put against a comparitivly performance based car rather than a lower model

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Old 08-03-2010, 12:28 PM   #82
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Tran, Thanks for posting all of these great shots! What do you guys think of the lower brake line being exposed in the close up of the front wheel? I do not remember seeing a brake line being exposed like this before, usually they are mounted to the inside half of the caliper. I know it is still early and this is still just a prototype, it just seemed strange to me.
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:29 PM   #83
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I see the Z28 being superior the first year. And Ford answering the year after.
This is exactly what I was talking about. I'm assuming the camaro will handle and stop like a dream, just like the gt500. The easiest and most noticeable changes will be in the power department. When all it takes is a pulley and tune to pick up 100+ hp, these are dangerous waters. While the gt500's 5.4 has a higher power potential (short block wise) than pretty much anything anyone has to offer, those limits are way beyond what I feel will ever be offered to the public. There has to be a cap at some point. I just can't see these cars making over 700hp in stock form and if the lsa is beefed up a bit, both parties will be easily capable. 700 at the crank is CHUMP CHANGE for the 5.4 and an LSA with a beefier rotating assembly would be exactly the same way. I get excited just talking about this, but it depresses me because my lowly sti is going to be the slowest thing on the road

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Im curious to see how the IRS makes a difference against the SRA, Ford guys go on and on about how the GT500 is better than the SS and has that solid axle, im anxious to see what handling differences the IRS makes when the solid axle is put against a comparitivly performance based car rather than a lower model

...oh and LOL! to Radz28 XD
The 2011 gt500 already handles comparatively to the ls3 vette. I would expect the z28 to handle just as well, maybe slightly better, but in this price range there's not much you can do to get handling much better.
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:30 PM   #84
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Awesome! Getting excited!!
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:32 PM   #85
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why cover the front when we ALL already know what it looks like???
Probably so expectations aren't set int stone. If they decide to change something, this way people won't already be attached to this look... I
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:33 PM   #86
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I see the Z28 being superior the first year. And Ford answering the year after.
As it should be.

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Old 08-03-2010, 12:34 PM   #87
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If I had to guess by the MY 2013 the GT500 will be rated at 605ish hp. If not for MY 2012.
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:36 PM   #88
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and my 2013 Z-28 will have 650 HP.
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:38 PM   #89
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Tha exhaust lookS nice
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:38 PM   #90
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and my 2013 Z-28 will have 650 HP.
Possibly. I don't see the Z28 having more power than the ZR1.

Ford could go 660 hp next year.

I just don't think they will go ahead and raise the power that much at one time.
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:38 PM   #91
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the thing I dont understand is why all the badges are covered up? can someone explain that to me?

what I'm most curious about now is what the actual Z/28 badges will look like...I hope they go for something retro.

gonna call the dealership soon and see if they can give me any info, at least put my name on a list to get contacted when this becomes official
we should all know by now that when the cars are in testing phase we tend to over analyze everything while we don't have all the pertinent details about the car. they might have something that differs from the t3 that we don't know about yet. and who cares if they cover the chevy and camaro badges, it's not like we don't know what they look like lol.

and i wouldn't mind the z/28 badges being retro either. but i doubt they would do them exactly as they were, hopefully they'll be the same colors though.
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:39 PM   #92
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Ford may try to counter the Z-28 when Chevy releases it but recall the muscle car wars of the 1960's and who won that...I have just one word and it is ZL1 (or another COPO).
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:42 PM   #94
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Ford may try to counter the Z-28 when Chevy releases it but recall the muscle car wars of the 1960's and who won that...I have just one word and it is ZL1 (or another COPO).


Ford has been going their for a couple of years.
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:44 PM   #95
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They will need to step up the power in the LSA if they want to hang with the GT500. It's all about power to weight numbers. When the math is done the GT 500 is quicker.

I think that with some cam and exhaust changes the LSA would close the gap. I also think that it would hold up very well. The idea is to keep the costs down so that the business case doesn't get blown out of whack. Lok at the Challanger, you can't give the SRT Challangers away.

The brakes from a CTS-V is a natural. No new tooling and it keeps the costs down.

Remember they are in business to make money, not build your dream car for a 20,000 loss LOL

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Playing with the pic of the covered side badge in PS, it looks to me like it might be

Super Z28 Charged

and the Z28 motif has the Chevy double flag emblem above it.

If you had the original image in RAW you could probably enhance it enough to tell.
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if they keep trying to out-do eachother wont the price tag get much higher and potential market get much smaller? there arent a whole lot of people capable and willing to spend 40grand(most likely more) for a model that will be outdated in a year or two.
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Wow 4 exhaust tip! This is something.. I suggest they keep the dual tips for the V6 only!
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if they keep trying to out-do eachother wont the price tag get much higher and potential market get much smaller? there arent a whole lot of people capable and willing to spend 40grand(most likely more) for a model that will be outdated in a year or two.
It happens on smaller scale with technology every day
You'll spend $3000 on a TV and 3 months later its out-dated
But we dont gripe and complain, it might not be the BEST, but it still kicks all kinds of ass compared to 99% of everything else out there
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