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Old 08-03-2010, 08:40 PM   #51
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Old 08-03-2010, 09:27 PM   #52
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Old 08-03-2010, 09:52 PM   #53
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Two things I noticed:
-Camaro July 2010 production was only 4,900 units. That is half of what GM has been producing monthly in the past year. Is this an indication of a declining production future for the Camaro?
-The one year trend of the Challenger has been increasing steadily. There were no sharp increases or decreases. Due to this, the Challenger looks the most promising out of all 3 cars....especially with the new engines next year.
1. It doesn't say if any of those are 10's or 11's. The previous month listed both years so it could be assumed that all productions now are 11's. If they cut one year out, then you have half the productions. The cars are selling like hotcakes... they're not going to stop or decline.

2. Challenger is like any other car. There's no comparison reviews that put it on top, there's no hype, nothing. Of course the rise wont be sharp. Everytime one of these companies wins an award or a review the numbers increase... when that changes, it goes down. Prices, and deals come into play as well. The Challenger is just there. It's making no impact on the car world.

In 5 years we can look back and see how much of an impact it really had. But the re-birth of the Camaro is HUGE right now. Far more important than a Challenger.
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Old 08-03-2010, 10:52 PM   #54
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Two things I noticed:
-Camaro July 2010 production was only 4,900 units. That is half of what GM has been producing monthly in the past year. Is this an indication of a declining production future for the Camaro?
The plant was closed 2 weeks in July.
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Old 08-04-2010, 10:52 AM   #55
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I like the looks of the Challenger but for anyone stupid enough to believe them putting new engines is going to make them faster than Camaro or Mustang needs to have their heads examined...the cars are just too heavy and they are getting trounced in sales big time.
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Old 08-04-2010, 11:02 AM   #56
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I like the looks of the Challenger but for anyone stupid enough to believe them putting new engines is going to make them faster than Camaro or Mustang needs to have their heads examined...the cars are just too heavy and they are getting trounced in sales big time.
They also only make a few thousand Challengers per month. If you make 3300-3500 Challengers per month..and they sell nearly the entire production runs numbers each month..is it really a failure?

Its not like they produce 10,000 Challengers and only 3,000 and change sold.

The R/T Auto's are already running within a tenth on average with the L99's and are only about 110 pounds heavier.

Also..if you really think that 480 HP in the SRT8 isnt going to make it as fast if not faster than the SS..considering it only needed 440ish HP to "break even"..then you arent in a position to call anyone stupid. If it is anywhere between 450 and 500 HP..the SRT8 will be just as fast, if not a bit faster, than the SS.
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Old 08-04-2010, 12:24 PM   #57
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Thanks for the info ViperTomCat I didn't know they produced that low of an amount of Challengers a month I thought it was the same as Camaro & Mustang. Does anyone know why they produce such a low amount of Challengers? I'm just curious. As for the new engines of the Challengers I think it will still be a fast car just not fast enough for the new Camaros. The weight is the main reason for this we all know Dodge has good engines the car is just too big plain and simple. I also dont expect Chevrolet to leave the SS with the 426 hp for next year I bet they will bump it up so it can better compete with the 5.0 Mustang and we already know how the Z/28 & the Convertible Camaros are going to own the Stang next year after looking how they are testing them. I expect next year 2012 to be the year of Camaro again just like 2009 when it was first released. We have Transformers 3 coming out next year plus convertibles and Z/28'S and maybe updates to v6 & SS.
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Old 08-04-2010, 12:36 PM   #58
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Thanks for the info ViperTomCat I didn't know they produced that low of an amount of Challengers a month I thought it was the same as Camaro & Mustang. Does anyone know why they produce such a low amount of Challengers? I'm just curious. As for the new engines of the Challengers I think it will still be a fast car just not fast enough for the new Camaros. The weight is the main reason for this we all know Dodge has good engines the car is just too big plain and simple. I also dont expect Chevrolet to leave the SS with the 426 hp for next year I bet they will bump it up so it can better compete with the 5.0 Mustang and we already know how the Z/28 & the Convertible Camaros are going to own the Stang next year after looking how they are testing them. I expect next year 2012 to be the year of Camaro again just like 2009 when it was first released. We have Transformers 3 coming out next year plus convertibles and Z/28'S and maybe updates to v6 & SS.
You are making a big assumption that Ford will not do anything to the GT500.
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Old 08-04-2010, 01:19 PM   #59
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You are making a big assumption that Ford will not do anything to the GT500.
my bets are on that ford will leave the 2012 gt500 alone; and wait for what the z28 brings.


at least i hope, i just bought a 2011 gt500 a few weeks ago.
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Is the 5.0 in the Mustang GT a direct-inject?
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Is the 5.0 in the Mustang GT a direct-inject?
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Old 08-04-2010, 01:29 PM   #62
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My biggest fear is that the z28 would use a DI v8 and not be supercharged.
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Old 08-04-2010, 01:33 PM   #63
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Where do you guys get this info anyway? I'm not trying to be a spy or anything and scope out info i'm just curious? Do you work for GM or know somebody who does?
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Old 08-04-2010, 01:34 PM   #64
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Old 08-04-2010, 01:35 PM   #65
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my bets are on that ford will leave the 2012 gt500 alone; and wait for what the z28 brings.


at least i hope, i just bought a 2011 gt500 a few weeks ago.
Imagine if you would have bought a 2010 GT500.

I think what ford was doing with the 2011 was getting the handling dialed in, in anticipation of the Z/28. The power part is where Ford is at the wait and see phase.
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Old 08-04-2010, 01:50 PM   #66
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No, dealers will not be rewarded for having 2010's remaining on their lots any time soon. They should have discounted them and sold them off.
The demand is still high enough on Camaros, I did not think there would be any incentives on 2010 models, so I went ahead and ordered a 2011! Got it a couple of weeks ago.
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The handling is was a must needed improvement on the GT500. I would hate to be one of those who bought the 2010 GT500 a few months back when they were really dealing on them.
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Old 08-04-2010, 02:28 PM   #68
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The handling is was a must needed improvement on the GT500. I would hate to be one of those who bought the 2010 GT500 a few months back when they were really dealing on them.
you can get a handling package at the dealer. I think it is actually better than the SVT package, but I might be wrong on that one. The SVT package is just now an option from the factory. I am sure the SVT package will become standard in the next year or two.
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Old 08-04-2010, 02:29 PM   #69
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Also..if you really think that 480 HP in the SRT8 isnt going to make it as fast if not faster than the SS..considering it only needed 440ish HP to "break even"..then you arent in a position to call anyone stupid. If it is anywhere between 450 and 500 HP..the SRT8 will be just as fast, if not a bit faster, than the SS.
At what price point? It is already way more than the SS. Wouldn't the Z28 be a better car to compare it to?
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At what price point? It is already way more than the SS. Wouldn't the Z28 be a better car to compare it to?
The 2011 SRT's are going to start around 44,000-45,000, roughly 5-6K above a similarly loaded 2SS/RS (which you need to get to equal the SRT8).

Considering the Z/28's price hasnt been released, but it will likely hover around 50,000..the 2SS/RS is a more fair comparison.
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Old 08-04-2010, 02:57 PM   #72
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The 2011 SRT's are going to start around 44,000-45,000, roughly 5-6K above a similarly loaded 2SS/RS (which you need to get to equal the SRT8).

Considering the Z/28's price hasnt been released, but it will likely hover around 50,000..the 2SS/RS is a more fair comparison.
thanks i had no idea 2ss where 39k
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thanks i had no idea 2ss where 39k
I think they're nearly 39,000. High 38,000's and change
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thanks i had no idea 2ss where 39k
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