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Old 12-27-2008, 03:22 AM   #101
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If GM wants to lose credibility they will launch the car without the feature people paid for.
Yeppers.


Here's how I see it....don't delay the launch.

Just do it this way...

See all those orders for the LS, 1LT, and 1SS?...withOUT the ABL? Build those puppies first. There's nothing wrong with that. GM wants to try and dish out a bunch of cars but has an overwhelming amount of orders? Hell...this is the perfect way to get cash rolling in while still fulfilling their obligation to the customer...bringing out the new Camaro. I know GM said they would build only so many SS's at start. But, why not "tweak" that to only building those w/out ABL....makes sense to me.

Win/win for GM and those who ordered it without. Then, just a percentage would have to wait.
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Old 12-27-2008, 05:58 AM   #102
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I agree with that approach for ABL. Could be the same for the stripe disaster. Hope so.
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Old 12-27-2008, 07:17 AM   #103
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I would prefer they do that then launch the car without features they promised.
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Old 12-27-2008, 09:29 AM   #104
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ABL is a cool add on feature, but it's certainly not why I was buying the Camaro. I can see it being something you use for the first few weeks then never again. Who wants to drive around with a glowing car all of the time? I can see using it when you are getting in the car at night instead of the overhead light, but really, why would you need this while driving down the freeway? I'm not trying to start something, but I just don't get it.
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Old 12-28-2008, 04:46 PM   #105
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Yeppers.


Here's how I see it....don't delay the launch.

Just do it this way...

See all those orders for the LS, 1LT, and 1SS?...withOUT the ABL? Build those puppies first. There's nothing wrong with that. GM wants to try and dish out a bunch of cars but has an overwhelming amount of orders? Hell...this is the perfect way to get cash rolling in while still fulfilling their obligation to the customer...bringing out the new Camaro. I know GM said they would build only so many SS's at start. But, why not "tweak" that to only building those w/out ABL....makes sense to me.

Win/win for GM and those who ordered it without. Then, just a percentage would have to wait.

I think that's an awesome thought TAG! Can you say CONSTRAINT on 2LT and 2SS??

...and a constraint I'd be happy to wait through might I add!
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Old 12-28-2008, 05:34 PM   #106
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Yeppers.


Here's how I see it....don't delay the launch.

Just do it this way...

See all those orders for the LS, 1LT, and 1SS?...withOUT the ABL? Build those puppies first. There's nothing wrong with that. GM wants to try and dish out a bunch of cars but has an overwhelming amount of orders? Hell...this is the perfect way to get cash rolling in while still fulfilling their obligation to the customer...bringing out the new Camaro. I know GM said they would build only so many SS's at start. But, why not "tweak" that to only building those w/out ABL....makes sense to me.

Win/win for GM and those who ordered it without. Then, just a percentage would have to wait.
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I think that's an awesome thought TAG! Can you say CONSTRAINT on 2LT and 2SS??

...and a constraint I'd be happy to wait through might I add!
I agree. Nice creative thinking Tag! Too bad more people don't operate that way instead of complaining about the situation.

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I agree with that approach for ABL. Could be the same for the stripe disaster. Hope so.
Geez Copo. You are truly a broken record. Being a Mod on another site, you would think you would be able to word things a little more thoughtfully.
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Old 12-28-2008, 07:09 PM   #107
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See all those orders for the LS, 1LT, and 1SS?...withOUT the ABL? Build those puppies first. There's nothing wrong with that. GM wants to try and dish out a bunch of cars but has an overwhelming amount of orders? Hell...this is the perfect way to get cash rolling in while still fulfilling their obligation to the customer...bringing out the new Camaro. I know GM said they would build only so many SS's at start. But, why not "tweak" that to only building those w/out ABL....makes sense to me.
At dissapointed as I would be to have to wait a while...this would be a good solution for the situation.
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Old 12-28-2008, 07:32 PM   #108
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Tag, I agree with that approach for ABL. Could be the same for the stripe disaster. Hope so.
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Geez Copo. You are truly a broken record. Being a Mod on another site, you would think you would be able to word things a little more thoughtfully.
I see no reason to treat GM with kid gloves regarding any issue we have with the car. Disaster is simply a strongly opinionated word, not disrespectful.

I for one would like to know exactly when GM realized they couldn't reasonably produce the rally stripes as they had been showing them, how long it may have been prior to our pre-orders and why they withheld that from us, if indeed they did. But surely they must have come to that realization early on. Did the initial installers tell management it was a piece of cake? No! They said, "Do you know what a f***ing pain in the ass that was to do? How do you expect the people at dealerships to do it?" It did not involve a technology hurdle, simply a "can we do it large scale or not" decision. But we weren't privy to that info. until much later.

At least with ABL, it appears they believe they stand a chance of overcoming the hurdles and producing the product for us as shown.
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Old 12-28-2008, 07:58 PM   #109
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Don't delay the launch. Build all the orders for the LS, 1LT, and 1SS (without the ABL) first.
Then just a percentage would have to wait.
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There would be a constraint on 2LT and 2SS production until ABL was available.
A constraint I'd be happy to wait through might I add!
When there was a constraint on 2005 Mustangs with the IUP option (interior upgrade package) due to a shortage of the MyColor gauge package, Ford notified the dealers and had them check with the individual customers. Each customer had to decide if he wanted to omit the MyColor from his order so his Mustang could be released for production or if he wanted his order kept on hold (for months) until the MyColor was available. There was NO retrofitting done on any cars whose buyers chose to get their Mustangs sooner by omitting the MyColor gauges.
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When there was a constraint on 2005 Mustangs with the IUP option (interior upgrade package) due to a shortage of the MyColor gauge package, Ford notified the dealers and had them check with the individual customers. Each customer had to decide if he wanted to omit the MyColor from his order so his Mustang could be released for production or if he wanted his order kept on hold (for months) until the MyColor was available. There was NO retrofitting done on any cars whose buyers chose to get their Mustangs sooner by omitting the MyColor gauges.
Did they get a bit of a price cut if they omitted it? I would DEFINITELY go for this if something like this happened with the ABL.
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Old 12-29-2008, 02:25 AM   #111
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See? Now we are getting somewhere!

But give me my ABL!!!
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Old 12-29-2008, 06:35 AM   #112
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Post 106 above is Getting personal again. My opinion about the product is consistant with board rules, but being called names is clearly against board rules and this is not the first time.

Moderators please fix.
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Old 12-29-2008, 10:13 AM   #113
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Post 106 above is Getting personal again. My opinion about the product is consistant with board rules, but being called names is clearly against board rules and this is not the first time.

Moderators please fix.
In the future make these requests in a PM.

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Old 12-29-2008, 11:14 AM   #114
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The problem with these threads is that new people come in and say people who are upset over the loss of ambient lighting are (insert negative comment like "traitor" or "silly") and proceed to explain why their opinion is the only one that matters. Invariably, the original poster will explain why that opinion is incorrect and does not apply to them. This results in 5 other people complaining that the original poster is "saying the same things over and over again and therefore the topic is useless and should be closed and/or the original poster is wasting their valuable time and/or being a jerk, etc."

Go back and look.... you can see it!
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Old 12-29-2008, 11:28 AM   #115
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The end result is the thread is repetitive. Both sides of any issue should be mature enough not to post the same thing over and over again. Just because you've read the thread for the first time doesn't mean you should repost what's already been said. And by the same token, just because some one new reposts an old argument, doesn't mean the opposition should restate the argument against it if it's already been made.

It is the very repetitiveness that you describe that will cause a thread to get closed. Because at some point the thread only angers and frustrates instead of informing and contirbuting in a constructive manner. It is at this point that we close threads.

I've already broken my word that I wouldn't talk about why threads get closed any more. Any further posts on the justification of repetitive posts or thread closures here will be deleted. If you want to have this conversation start a new thread in the off topic section.
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Old 12-29-2008, 11:38 AM   #116
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ABL is a cool add on feature, but it's certainly not why I was buying the Camaro. I can see it being something you use for the first few weeks then never again. Who wants to drive around with a glowing car all of the time? I can see using it when you are getting in the car at night instead of the overhead light, but really, why would you need this while driving down the freeway? I'm not trying to start something, but I just don't get it.
For me, it actually will make a difference in the driving experience - when I drive too long at night I get "tunnel vision" & have to stop driving. I tried using a light that plugs into the lighter once & it kept me from getting the tunnel vision. As long as I have some kind of light to look at (except the headlights on the road) then I don't get the "tunnel vision" during nighttime driving.
The ABL will give me what I need to occasionally break the monotonous nightime driving vision.
It looks like I'm waiting for the HUD, though - I just found out I'm going overseas from Aug. 09 - Dec. 10. I sure as heck won't take a new Camaro to the Middle East area, so I'll be returning in Dec. 2010 & getting the HUD, ABL, AND Convertible all in one car!!!!!

Great things come to those who wait........
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Old 12-29-2008, 12:44 PM   #117
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In the future make these requests in a PM.

Standing by.
...and this is the 2nd time you have made this request, right?
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The problem with these threads is that new people come in and say people who are upset over the loss of ambient lighting are (insert negative comment like "traitor" or "silly") and proceed to explain why their opinion is the only one that matters. Invariably, the original poster will explain why that opinion is incorrect and does not apply to them. This results in 5 other people complaining that the original poster is "saying the same things over and over again and therefore the topic is useless and should be closed and/or the original poster is wasting their valuable time and/or being a jerk, etc."

Go back and look.... you can see it!
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The end result is the thread is repetitive. Both sides of any issue should be mature enough not to post the same thing over and over again. Just because you've read the thread for the first time doesn't mean you should repost what's already been said. And by the same token, just because some one new reposts an old argument, doesn't mean the opposition should restate the argument against it if it's already been made.

It is the very repetitiveness that you describe that will cause a thread to get closed. Because at some point the thread only angers and frustrates instead of informing and contirbuting in a constructive manner. It is at this point that we close threads.

I've already broken my word that I wouldn't talk about why threads get closed any more. Any further posts on the justification of repetitive posts or thread closures here will be deleted. If you want to have this conversation start a new thread in the off topic section.
Let me echo gtahvit.

This thread is repetative...because of some of the same members replying. Same people, same topic, same conversation. If this does not stop, the deletion of those repetative posts will begin. I'd personally like to keep the thread open for those wishing to actually discuss the issue...not for restating the same position over and over. New discussion fuels the fire that keeps the thread open. Repeating ones self only turns away the attention which is needed to keep that fire going. I highly doubt GM wants to hear a one or two people over and over and over....it's like the child in the car saying, "are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet?" Makes you want to take action to keep them quiet....and I'd bet that after reading the same thing over and over again by the same person, anyone from GM reading this would get turned off and start ignoring that person...which would divert their attention from the thread...which is what we DO NOT want happening. I'm sure that there are those who understand how and why Mods do what they do and request what they request....and will respect that wish...and will abide by it.

So, it stops now.
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